Microsoft's acquisition of Activison Blizzard

AshHunter216

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Nah, I doubt it, the premium is too high. If they ask for a higher price they risk antagonizing Microsoft's shareholders, whom are probably not too happy already.
So what makes you think that MS shareholders are more likely to abandon the deal?
 
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What does Sony even do that’s actually “anti consumer?” Everything I see listed just …is not. They give consumers high quality products at prices people are incredibly willing to pay. They are extremely pro consumer in my book.

They don't bring all their games to PC Day 1...I guess.

Which is such a non-issue; these same people never complain about Nintendo ignoring PC altogether. In fact if you look at things historically, Nintendo could arguably be considered the most actual anti-consumer and anti-competitive of the platform holders. They had those draconian licensing agreements with virtually all the Japanese 3P developers in the Famicom/NES era, got sued and lost an antitrust court case in the US, and thanks to their licensing agreements in the NES/Famicom era not starting to subside until the early '90s, meant companies like NEC and Sega couldn't get games from those developers (i.e why Sega had to reprogram and port Strider in-house, after getting permission to use the license from Capcom).

That's in addition to things like their SNES games costing on average at least $10 or so dollars more than Genesis/MegaDrive versions, never really doing or offering price cuts on their games, releasing gimped hardware just to increase their profit margins, etc. Now some of those things are arguable; however we see some of these talking points used by people who keep trying to say Sony is anti-consumer with PS5 when they could also be applied to Nintendo. But then, they'd suddenly hop over with excuses to say why they aren't anti-consumer in Nintendo's case, when those explanations could just as easily apply to Sony!

It's irrational disdain and clinging to any little thing to try making a fuss, nothing more.
 

AshHunter216

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They don't bring all their games to PC Day 1...I guess.

Which is such a non-issue; these same people never complain about Nintendo ignoring PC altogether. In fact if you look at things historically, Nintendo could arguably be considered the most actual anti-consumer and anti-competitive of the platform holders. They had those draconian licensing agreements with virtually all the Japanese 3P developers in the Famicom/NES era, got sued and lost an antitrust court case in the US, and thanks to their licensing agreements in the NES/Famicom era not starting to subside until the early '90s, meant companies like NEC and Sega couldn't get games from those developers (i.e why Sega had to reprogram and port Strider in-house, after getting permission to use the license from Capcom).

That's in addition to things like their SNES games costing on average at least $10 or so dollars more than Genesis/MegaDrive versions, never really doing or offering price cuts on their games, releasing gimped hardware just to increase their profit margins, etc. Now some of those things are arguable; however we see some of these talking points used by people who keep trying to say Sony is anti-consumer with PS5 when they could also be applied to Nintendo. But then, they'd suddenly hop over with excuses to say why they aren't anti-consumer in Nintendo's case, when those explanations could just as easily apply to Sony!

It's irrational disdain and clinging to any little thing to try making a fuss, nothing more.
Yep, they also believe Sony are the only ones who make 3rd party deals, despite Xbox being prolific with them during the 360 era and have only slowed down due to their loss in market share.

They're also annoyed that Sony hasn't embraced the subscription service model to the degree that Xbox has.

Basically, they don't like that Playstation does things differently from Xbox.
 

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Yep, they also believe Sony are the only ones who make 3rd party deals, despite Xbox being prolific with them during the 360 era and have only slowed down due to their loss in market share.
Like Nintendo and Sony, Microsoft had several 3rd party deals every generation.

This one they had many 3rd party exclusives, mostly (like Nintendo and Sony) indies and mostly (like Nintendo and Sony) timed console exclusives.
 

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Yep, they also believe Sony are the only ones who make 3rd party deals, despite Xbox being prolific with them during the 360 era and have only slowed down due to their loss in market share.

They're also annoyed that Sony hasn't embraced the subscription service model to the degree that Xbox has.

Basically, they don't like that Playstation does things differently from Xbox.
Sony hasn't embraced it to the degree that Xbox has yet already has a better and more successful service. Just Xbox things.
 

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So I am seeing news stories saying MS can go ahead and close now, all they have to do is not provide cloud gaming to the UK. Is that accurate? I feel like if that's the case MS might be brash enough to try.

Though I am not sure what the result of the FTC case would be of course.
 

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So I am seeing news stories saying MS can go ahead and close now, all they have to do is not provide cloud gaming to the UK. Is that accurate? I feel like if that's the case MS might be brash enough to try.

Though I am not sure what the result of the FTC case would be of course.
No. They can’t close the deal. There’s literally nothing they can do.
MS and ABK are forbidden to invest in each other. This is a pipe dream.
 

AshHunter216

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So I am seeing news stories saying MS can go ahead and close now, all they have to do is not provide cloud gaming to the UK. Is that accurate? I feel like if that's the case MS might be brash enough to try.

Though I am not sure what the result of the FTC case would be of course.
I remember seeing an article mentioning this but also admitting how unlikely they are to do this because of the cma. Seemed like just noise to me.
 

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So I am seeing news stories saying MS can go ahead and close now, all they have to do is not provide cloud gaming to the UK. Is that accurate? I feel like if that's the case MS might be brash enough to try.

Though I am not sure what the result of the FTC case would be of course.
Perfect way to piss the CMA and risk losing even more money.
 

AshHunter216

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I think the only real news we may get this week concerning the deal is that Wednesday is the deadline for formally appealing the cma decision if I'm not mistaken.
 
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So I am seeing news stories saying MS can go ahead and close now, all they have to do is not provide cloud gaming to the UK. Is that accurate? I feel like if that's the case MS might be brash enough to try.

Though I am not sure what the result of the FTC case would be of course.
Even if we ignore the practicality of them closing even with a CMA block.

Can you imagine the reputation damage that will do to them? I can't imagine any sane shareholder being happy with that.

All the people who are propagating this have no huge stake in Microsoft future health just to make a quick buck, so they can easily throw these crazy theories out.
 
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Dr Bass

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Even if we ignore the practicality of them closing even with a CMA block.

Can you imagine the reputation damage that will do to them? I can't imagine any sane shareholder being happy with that.

All the people who are propagating this have no stake in Microsoft, so they can easily throw these crazy theories out.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. MS is so full of themselves though I don't even like the option of them being able to do it.

Their reputation is already garbage in tech circles, not sure they have much to lose in that regard. ;-)
 
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This site could be total nonsense of course but here you go.


Yeah it's just hogwash. Gamerant writes a lot of pro-Xbox articles in general, and usually when they do PS-focused pieces there's a slant against the platform.

Basically, they are just a somewhat more reputable version of XboxERA or Stevivor. They can be ignored.

Yep, they also believe Sony are the only ones who make 3rd party deals, despite Xbox being prolific with them during the 360 era and have only slowed down due to their loss in market share.

They're also annoyed that Sony hasn't embraced the subscription service model to the degree that Xbox has.

Basically, they don't like that Playstation does things differently from Xbox.

They want Sony to do those things so that they can feel satisfaction in Microsoft's pivots to those areas, because they feel if the market leader does exactly what MS does, it acts as a form of validating MS's decisions.

That's really what it's about: validation. But not even for themselves, but for Microsoft as a corporation in gaming. They need other platform holders, specifically Sony, to copy MS wholesale (all games Day 1 on PC, all 1P games Day 1 in the subscription service, full cross-buy etc.) because they think it'll be a sign of MS being the industry leader.
 
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"Source: Fosspatents"

Literally all you need to know. But here's more: they get almost everything wrong in their article, or frame it in the most dishonest way.

This shit is like the Human centipede. Stupid publications write stupid shit, Copepatents comments on them, stupid publications write more shit"
 

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The most deluded takes I'm seen on this are on Installbase and Resetera, its starting to look like censorship is what allows these lunatics to get away with such nonsensical narratives. Here I think people get called on their bullshit because we are no so concerned to appear polite over telling the truth.
 

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The most deluded takes I'm seen on this are on Installbase and Resetera, its starting to look like censorship is what allows these lunatics to get away with such nonsensical narratives. Here I think people get called on their bullshit because we are no so concerned to appear polite over telling the truth.
it's weird because this talk about illegal stuff that is going on at Era that should be censored tbh.