Digital Foundry: PlayStation has an "exclusive of sorts for RDNA5 on handhelds"

[Kokoloko]

This type of talk is just silly because it's just denying reality at this point. From the beginning I said 2027 was gonna show the big change because for one it can take 1-2 years to port the big games. So for any of the big companies to be there day 1 every time they'd have to pivot years earlier like Square Enix and Capcom.

Keep being a troll. Nintendo will always be the worse place for 3rd party.

2027 wont change anything. PS5/PS6, Xbox, Steam will always be the better place for 3rd party multiplatform compared to Switch 2.
Devs are never gonna use Switch 2 has the main platform while developing

 

[Yrassinad]

Yallah make your Nintendo Switch 2 lifetime sales prediction. Apparently PS6 is going to only sell 10-30m consoles according to you (somehow you can predict those numbers with 0 knowledge about its price or game lineup) and even when PS4 sold 115m+ units Switch 1 managed to sell 155m+. Nintendo is "enough for everybody" and Nintendo now apparently has all the third party games. You supposedly "predicted" Switch 1 150m+ sales with less info available to you. What's the hold up?

Also stop dodging this shit @heroeskillrats. You talk so much crap but when push comes to shove you turn into Harry Houdini.

Grace us with your Switch 2 lifetime sales prediction, even a low-end prediction will do.

 

[heroeskillrats]

Nintendo will always be the worse place for 3rd party.

lol.
PS physical = dead
Xbox = dead
Steam = piracy is better

Grace us with your Switch 2 lifetime sales prediction

I'm gonna need the February direct and PS6 and PS handheld marketing and official prices.

 

[Yrassinad]

I'm gonna need the February direct and PS6 and PS handheld marketing and official prices.

You already "predicted" 10-30m lifetime sales for PS6+handheld but somehow when it comes to Switch 2 predictions it's always "I need to see the next Direct bro," "I need to see if third parties will move away from GKC bro," "I need to see PlayStation prices that I didn't need to predict they'd sell under 30m bro".

You supposedly "predicted" 150m+ sales for Switch 1 before it even launched? Did you also need to wait for a Direct from 2019 and the PS5 price reveal? Oh no, you didn't. Because you never predicted shit and are just making it up lol. All the "predictions" that we can actually see you made because they're archived here like GTA6 launching on Switch 2 day one or Sony porting Horizon/Spider-Man to Switch 2 have been completely wrong.

 

[heroeskillrats]

All the "predictions" that we can actually see you made because they're archived here like GTA6 launching on Switch 2 day one or Sony porting Horizon/Spider-Man to Switch 2 have been completely wrong.

Watch what happens when PS6 flops. Sony will make bad decisions out of desperation.

 

[Yrassinad]

Watch what happens when PS6 flops. Sony will make bad decisions out of desperation.

Last time one of their consoles "flopped" out of the gate they turned it around, still beat the competitor they were bleeding sales to, and proceeded to bury said competitor in the following two generations.

Either way you are wishcasting again. You are really underestimating just how much of a cushion they've built over these past two generations. You want to somehow think PS6 will be a do-or-die moment for them but it won't be. PS5 will be adequate hardware for new releases for years to come and they have 100m+ of them out there by the time the PS6 drops. Hell, even now you still have people riding out their PS4s in 2026. And the only reason PS6 will sell softer is because component prices are hiking up the price of the device, something out of their control that affects everyone making gaming hardware all the same. PS6 isn't gonna hit PS5 sales most likely, just like Switch 2 is not going to hit Switch 1 sales for similar reasons.

 

[heroeskillrats]

Last time one of their consoles "flopped" out of the gate they turned it around, still beat the competitor they were bleeding sales to, and proceeded to bury said competitor in the following two generations.

You're overselling this way too hard. They lost to Nintendo with both consoles and Xbox just did SEGA type mistakes.

You are really underestimating just how much of a cushion they've built over these past two generations. You want to somehow think PS6 will be a do-or-die moment for them but it won't be. PS5 will be adequate hardware for new releases for years to come and they have 100m+ of them out there by the time the PS6 drops.

I honestly think this isn't your usual cope, you simply doesn't understand what will happen. A wii u/vita flop would be a mega disaster for Sony.

And the only reason PS6 will sell softer is because component prices are hiking up the price of the device, something out of their control that affects everyone making gaming hardware all the same. PS6 isn't gonna hit PS5 sales most likely, just like Switch 2 is not going to hit Switch 1 sales for similar reasons.

It's not the only reason, people are leaving already because they killed physical and have chased GAAS way too hard which a lot of people don't care about it.

 

[Yrassinad]

You're overselling this way too hard. They lost to Nintendo with both consoles and Xbox just did SEGA type mistakes.

Again, Nintendo stopped even trying to compete with Xbox/PS after the GameCube. Wii was a device most people bought to play virtual table tennis and bowling with their grandma. Just look at the top selling games on the system man, it's almost all fitness/dancing shit. It had a few solid Nintendo first party games for the actual core gamers but you're completely off base if you think the core gamer audience wasn't picking between 360 and PS3 that generation, where all the non-gimmick games were releasing.

And just like the Switch, the Wii benefited from being so different from the 360/PS3 that plenty of that 180m 360/PS3 audience that bought either of those consoles also bought a Wii in addition to it. While naturally there was little reason to buy both a PS3 and 360, and it was more expensive to boot.

I have family members who only owned a Wii and never bought another game console before and after.

I honestly think this isn't your usual cope, you simply doesn't understand what will happen. A wii u/vita flop would be a mega disaster for Sony.

Except it won't be because they have an install base of 100m PS5s out there who are bringing in $800 on average (not including the console itself) so far.

Dude, you cannot unironically argue that third parties will rush out to support gen 8.5 hardware like the Switch 2 and then at the same time act like Sony and how much third party support they'll get will live or die by how many PS6 they can sell. If the PS6 fails to sell, they have the PS5 to fall back on because it will still be able to run every game. And if it cannot run new games, then Switch 2 wouldn't be running those games either and the fact that these games would be exclusive to Helix/PS6 will naturally make those products more attractive even if they're expensive.

It's not the only reason, people are leaving already because they killed physical and have chased GAAS way too hard which a lot of people don't care about it.

You need to get off your terminally online forums or at least acknowledge you are reading bubble opinions. Physical doesn't matter to the majority of customers, especially on PlayStation and Xbox. You just desperately want to believe Sony shot themselves in the foot Xbox One style but as much as it pains me to say it, that's not going to happen. At worst they may lose 10-15% of their current users over this, users they'll then replace over time who will never complain about the issue because they won't know any better. And no one gives a fuck about Sony chasing GAAS because most people don't buy a PlayStation for Sony's games anyway. Sony makes way more money from online subscriptions and microtransactions than they actually do from game sales. And what they make from game sales primarily comes from third party multiplatform games that people can play anywhere but still choose to play on PS.

 

[heroeskillrats]

Again, Nintendo stopped even trying to compete with Xbox/PS after the GameCube.

Just because you wish something was true don't make it true.

If the PS6 fails to sell, they have the PS5 to fall back on because it will still be able to run every game.

If it flops it means Sony does cost-saving measures. Like layoffs, shutting studios down, maybe fewer exclusives or pivoting to multiplatform, at least PC. And in general what does it do for the brand and Sony? They'll look like clowns, it deals gigantic damage to the PS brand because it'd be their first "true" flopped home console, second handheld flop. That's why I've been saying fighting Nintendo ain't gonna be like fighting Xbox.

And if it cannot run new games, then Switch 2 wouldn't be running those games either and the fact that these games would be exclusive to Helix/PS6 will naturally make those products more attractive even if they're expensive.

That was never gonna happen in the first place because Xbox died.

Physical doesn't matter to the majority of customers

Funny you say that only after Sony killed physical.
It matters to everyone it matters and you don't know the numbers and how many countries or how many millions we're talking about.
I know it matters a lot more in Europe and Asia than US, probably, but US still has enough that it matters there too.

At worst they may lose 10-15% of their current users over this

That's probably lowballing it hard to be honest. Still, losing 10-15 million that would have bought a $400-500 console and then spend $800 is losing billions permanently just because Sony wants to please shareholders.

And no one gives a fuck about Sony chasing GAAS because most people don't buy a PlayStation for Sony's games anyway.

It was the biggest things people hated pre-Sony killing physical. There was millions of people who bought PS5 because they expecrted it to be like PS4. Real exclusives, focus on AAA SP games and they never got it. Likewise with physical, I think a lot of people already suspected that Sony would kill physical by the time PS6 or PS7 was here but never anticipated physical dying on PS5.

 

[Yrassinad]

Just because you wish something was true don't make it true.

Don't take my word for it, take the word of Nintendo's CEO at the time:

Iwata: "Not Thinking About Competing" - Kotaku

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"Our focus has been on how we could make those who had not been interested in TV games so far become interested. So we are not really thinking about competing with PLAYSTATION 3."

"Although we are not really thinking about winning against Sony, we do hope to make efforts so that in the end, the number of units sold by Nintendo surpasses that of Sony."

As you can see, they didn't even think about competing with PS3 and just wanted to sell more units by attracting new users to gaming. Like I've been saying all along. And them actually succeeding at selling more units was primarily made possible by Xbox 360 eating half of Sony's market share. It's like a greengrocer celebrating they sell more vegetables than the two competing butchers in the same street sold meat. Yeah, they all sell food but only two of these shops are actually competing directly.

If it flops it means Sony does cost-saving measures. Like layoffs, shutting studios down, maybe fewer exclusives or pivoting to multiplatform, at least PC. And in general what does it do for the brand and Sony? They'll look like clowns, it deals gigantic damage to the PS brand because it'd be their first "true" flopped home console, second handheld flop. That's why I've been saying fighting Nintendo ain't gonna be like fighting Xbox.

Except this is literally the opposite of what will happen. Last time they were faced with heightened competition they actually increased spending to protect/claw back market share. First party output and exclusives actually increased and took a more prominent role in the platform.

But don't worry, none of that will happen either way because a new console launch is no longer an existential project like it was before. The gaming industry has vastly changed. Most of the money Sony makes is coming from shit like Fortnite and GTA Online, stuff that still runs on PS4. And no one is going to look at it as a console war between Nintendo and PlayStation either. They offer vastly different products and are releasing on totally unrelated schedules.

Funny you say that only after Sony killed physical.
It matters to everyone it matters and you don't know the numbers and how many countries or how many millions we're talking about.
I know it matters a lot more in Europe and Asia than US, probably, but US still has enough that it matters there too.

I would've said the same shit a year ago as well. Unlike you I can see numbers and am not living in a fantasy world. It's actually you who keeps hammering on more and more about physical games now after Sony announced its end on PS, because a year ago that was a losing battle since most of the physical releases on Switch 2 are Game Key Cards.

Again, we have numbers. 78% of PS game sales this quarter were digital and 61% of Nintendo's. Digital is the majority of purchases on both platforms. Does it mean physical is not important, or that it's irrelevant like some bootlickers here like to claim? No. But you are a moron if you think it's going to cause people to run from PlayStation to Nintendo in large amounts. This would've only happened if Nintendo had a high-end console with third party release parity but they don't. And the real physical purists are not on board with GKCs either. And although Nintendo will support physical for the foreseeable future, it's not guaranteed to last forever.

That's probably lowballing it hard to be honest. Still, losing 10-15 million that would have bought a $400-500 console and then spend $800 is losing billions permanently just because Sony wants to please shareholders.

This is not lowballing it at all. Like I said, almost 80% of game sales are digital. Now obviously it doesn't mean 80% of users are digital only, but let's just assume 20% regularly buys physical games. Out of those maybe half are actually going to be pissed off enough to leave the platform, mostly to PC (not Nintendo) and the rest will just buy the games digitally moving forward. And if they pay the same price for these games as they were paying before, Sony will actually make more from every purchase so they won't be losing 10% but maybe 5%. They're not gonna "please shareholders" with lower revenue and profit.

It was the biggest things people hated pre-Sony killing physical. There was millions of people who bought PS5 because they expecrted it to be like PS4. Real exclusives, focus on AAA SP games and they never got it. Likewise with physical, I think a lot of people already suspected that Sony would kill physical by the time PS6 or PS7 was here but never anticipated physical dying on PS5.

Again dude, you are going to hyper niche communities online and think it represents what the average consumer thinks/does. Most people probably don't even know wtf a first party studio is, that shit like Concord (if they even heard of its existence) was made by Sony and that it cost them hundreds of millions to make. As long as they get their annual Call of Duty and the bi-annual Assassin's Creed or whatever they don't give a fuck.

First party sales on PlayStation have always been a tiny slice of the pie. The majority of people didn't buy PS4 for exclusives either, they bought it because it was cheaper and better than Xbox One. Europe and Japan never stopped picking PlayStation over Xbox, it was mostly the US that had to be realigned. Maybe there exclusives played slightly more of a role.

People have been talking shit about Sony PC ports this entire generation and yet it had zero impact on their earnings.

 

[heroeskillrats]

Our focus has been on how we could make those who had not been interested in TV games so far become interested

aka win over everyone, not just current gamers. By overrelying on the old gamers the obvious Final Fantasy problem happens. Decline.

we do hope to make efforts so that in the end, the number of units sold by Nintendo surpasses that of Sony."

aka win the console war "Sounds like Nintendo isn't thinking about competing, but winning." From the same website.
Nintendo was always focused on winning the console war by the way.

and just wanted to sell more units by attracting new users to gaming

Not "just." A hybrid does the same thing but in an even more extreme aggressive way. It makes the other console and PC feel outdated.
If wii was blue ocean, a hybrid console strategy is blue/red ocean.

Except this is literally the opposite of what will happen. Last time they were faced with heightened competition they actually increased spending to protect/claw back market share. First party output and exclusives actually increased and took a more prominent role in the platform.

Old Sony, yes. New Sony? No. It's not like Sony is unaware of the AI crisis right now so do you have any recent supporting data at all?
Because otherwise you're just wishing again.

 

[Batzy]

Bruh, 10 pages of @heroeskillrats crying, malding and seething.

 

[Yrassinad]

aka win over everyone, not just current gamers. By overrelying on the old gamers the obvious Final Fantasy problem happens. Decline.

No dude, learn to read. He literally says "those who had not been interested in TV games so far". Meaning, not the people who bought a PS2 in the years before the Wii.

aka win the console war "Sounds like Nintendo isn't thinking about competing, but winning." From the same website.
Nintendo was always focused on winning the console war by the way.

You cannot win a war by withdrawing. Man the CEO is literally saying they have no interest in competing with PS3 and that they are focusing on attracting users who were never interested in gaming before and you're sitting here saying "see, they want to win console wars". No man, what this shows is that they didn't want to fight console wars and instead went for a different strategy and hoped it would pay off to the point where they could sell more units than Sony. And the only reason they succeeded in doing so is because the 360 was eating into Sony's market share, not Nintendo. How curious that in that gen if you want to believe the Wii was directly competing there were 280m consoles sold, while in every other gen it was always somewhere between 160-180m. It's almost like the Wii was totally additive and not taking away from anything.

Not "just." A hybrid does the same thing but in an even more extreme aggressive way. It makes the other console and PC feel outdated.
If wii was blue ocean, a hybrid console strategy is blue/red ocean.

Lmao, except it doesn't. The only thing that feels outdated to a lot of people is Nintendo hardware. It's lagging a full generation behind. Nintendo only just got 4k last year, what are we talking about man.

Old Sony, yes. New Sony? No. It's not like Sony is unaware of the AI crisis right now so do you have any recent supporting data at all?
Because otherwise you're just wishing again.

The only person wishing here is you. You think Nintendo doing well isn't enough, Sony has to do poorly for you to be satisfied. It's not gonna happen dude. PlayStation is now even more integral to Sony as a whole. They'd never surrender the market to Nintendo. You really seem to think Sony is gonna sit there all cucked out and jerk off to Nintendo taking over the whole market, even though they've let neither Nintendo or Xbox ever do that in the past (with the sole exception being the Vita).

 

[Kokoloko]

Bruh, 10 pages of @heroeskillrats crying, malding and seething.

Some of these pages are empty until I click see ignored content…. My god lol

 

[heroeskillrats]

You cannot win a war by withdrawing.

Nintendo said they wanted to win, outsell Playstation. Now they've won 2 console generations and they're in a better position than ever.

And the only reason they succeeded in doing so is because the 360 was eating into Sony's market share, not Nintendo.

Delusional even for you.

PlayStation is now even more integral to Sony as a whole. They'd never surrender the market to Nintendo. You really seem to think Sony is gonna sit there all cucked out and jerk off to Nintendo taking over the whole market

Again what are they gonna do? Nintendo will take the market by force so unless Sony spends money on defense they're not gonna have anything that can defend that market.

 

[Yrassinad]

Nintendo said they wanted to win, outsell Playstation. Now they've won 2 console generations and they're in a better position than ever.

No, they said they just wanted to sell more units than Sony. Which they managed to do by targeting people who never played games before, like they said, and because the console was almost 3x cheaper at launch and PS3 had to contend with Xbox 360 eating into its market share. And even then they only outsold them by like what, 13-14m units? Hardly a PS2 vs GameCube situation.

Delusional even for you.

Nope, this is just facts. The gen before you had 3 consoles making up 200m in sales in total. Then in the following gen Xbox 360 and PS3 combined made up 180m in sales. Which is roughly what the PS4 vs XB1 gen did as well. So all these Wii sales were mostly additive and temporary to the console market. We saw the moment Nintendo went back to a non-motion control gimmick home console that they couldn't even hit 20m in sales in a market where PS4 and XB1 exist.

In a world where Xbox 360 wasn't a thing the PS3 would've easily outsold the Wii.

Again what are they gonna do? Nintendo will take the market by force so unless Sony spends money on defense they're not gonna have anything that can defend that market.

Yes, obviously Sony will spend to defend their market share just like they did against the 360 back then. They ate $4bn in losses across the entire gen and didn't make a cent of profit. And Sony can get way more aggressive financially than Nintendo can. Why didn't Nintendo fight back harder against the PS2 if they were so eager to win console wars? Why was their lesson from that gen "we should make a device that reaches people who never played games and forget about competing with Sony" and not "what can we make to beat Sony at their own game"?

But it won't come to that because Nintendo isn't taking anything by force. The bloodthirsty Nintendo you have conjured up in your head doesn't exist. They like the lane they're currently in and will stay in it, where they don't really have to deal with any competitors. And no one else is particularly interested in entering that lane either. Sony doing a handheld is not to take the fight to Nintendo or whatever, it's to make their ecosystem more flexible.

 

[heroeskillrats]

PS3 had to contend with Xbox 360 eating into its market share

Which makes it all the more strange you don't think Nintendo gaining third party support won't hurt Playstation more than ever.
There's gonna be a power difference again when PS6 comes out but at $1000+ most will never buy it so it doesn't really matter.

So all these Wii sales were mostly additive and temporary to the console market.

I think it was essential for Nintendo to dominate gaming for a while. Tons of kids and adults now have nostalgia over that era and have come back or will come back to Nintendo.

Yes, obviously Sony will spend to defend their market share just like they did against the 360 back then. They ate $4bn in losses across the entire gen and didn't make a cent of profit. And Sony can get way more aggressive financially than Nintendo can.

In the first place it's not just about pure numbers, it's about games, marketing, position. Back during PS3 days for example it was pretty "cheap" and fast to pump out games and make a drastic difference. Naughty Dog made Uncharted 1-3 and The Last of Us and Left Behind all for PS3.
And obviously Sony can't prevent Nintendo from getting third party support. But again, if Sony wanted to try to spend money to make a difference for PS6 they needed to do that years ago.

 

[Yrassinad]

Which makes it all the more strange you don't think Nintendo gaining third party support won't hurt Playstation more than ever.
There's gonna be a power difference again when PS6 comes out but at $1000+ most will never buy it so it doesn't really matter.

"There's gonna be a power difference again"???

My dude, there is a very noticeable power difference right now . Switch 2 and PS5/XSX are not on the same level man. There is a reason one costs $500 and is portable while the other is $100 more expensive and not portable.

Xbox 360 managed to eat into PlayStation's market share because they launched a year early, were cheaper, had better online infrastructure in a day and age where multiplayer was starting to pop off and to top it all off they signed a bunch of timed exclusivity deals. Meaning if you picked PS3 you had to sit out on games like BioShock and Mass Effect and had to wait longer for GTA4 DLC/expansions. It was also the only period where Xbox actually had some decent (real) exclusives. On top of that the games also often ran worse on PS3 despite it being much more powerful.

If you cared about third party games, Xbox 360 was the better pick over PS3 in every aspect. This will never be the case with Switch 2 vs PS hardware. Games run substantially worse, many games skip or come late, there are massive gaps in the third party library due to Switch 1 never getting support while PS has had full support since 2013 and so on. The only benefit is portability, which is something that PS will soon offer too.

I think it was essential for Nintendo to dominate gaming for a while. Tons of kids and adults now have nostalgia over that era and have come back or will come back to Nintendo.

Lmao come on man. Selling 13m more consoles than a competitor who launched at $600 and had to deal with a hyper competitive Xbox is what you consider "dominating"? But when I bring up PS1 vs N64 you cope with "well they can remaster OOT now so N64 wasn't a flop". And that's not even mentioning 160m PS2 vs 22m GC.

All those people they pulled in with shit like Wii Sports and Just Dance just dropped out of gaming the moment the industry pivoted away from motion gaming. A 40-year-old soccer mom who bought a Wii to do yoga didn't stick around to play the latest Zelda on the Switch 1. There's a reason there was a massive drop in sales going from the Wii to the Wii U. The biggest drop in sales ever seen. Not even Xbox dropped that hard in all its history. Even PS losing nearly half of its market share to the 360 only lost 70m unit sales, while Nintendo went from 101m to 13.5m (a drop of 86.5m).

In the first place it's not just about pure numbers, it's about games, marketing, position. Back during PS3 days for example it was pretty "cheap" and fast to pump out games and make a drastic difference. Naughty Dog made Uncharted 1-3 and The Last of Us and Left Behind all for PS3.
And obviously Sony can't prevent Nintendo from getting third party support. But again, if Sony wanted to try to spend money to make a difference for PS6 they needed to do that years ago.

Obviously Sony can prevent Nintendo from getting third party support just like they did with Xbox. And in many cases they won't even have to pay for it because many third parties are skipping Nintendo naturally.

 

[heroeskillrats]

I don't even understand your copes anymore, honestly. Now Xbox was the problem, right. Nintendo sold 250m+ and NS1 being out since 2017 and NS2 being out 2 years earlier with third party support will obviously be a way bigger problem for PS. PS6 + PS handheld doesn't even counter what Switch 2 is.

Obviously Sony can prevent Nintendo from getting third party support just like they did with Xbox.

Nope.

 

[Ico]

heroeskillrats really is a playstation agent mean to bring back console warring agaisnt nintendo when all the bad press were focused on playstation, amazing!