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Thanks for the additional info. You would have though Microsoft would have learned to simplify the OS after what happened with the xbone launch
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I don't use Xbox OS so I can say it at all.
But from others talks it is more bloated than PS5's OS.
And there is a key difference here... MS use hypervisor to create virtual machines with it own OS to runs things... so there is like 2 virtual machines with it own OS in Xbox consoles... one for the gaphical interface called XboxOS and other to run the games called GameOS.
You can do research about virtual machines and hypervisors and in all cases there is loss of performance from 1-10% depending of the application running... you don't have direct access to hardware instead you have a virtual hardware that translate to the real hardware the instructions.
Hypervisor is an additional layer of abstraction.
Hypervisor (edit - changed the pic for something better).
Edit - To be fair seems there is a Host OS so it is not Hypervisor Type 1 but Type 2 that add another layer.
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The Xbox OS is a stripped-down Windows, so it is pretty bloated and inefficient code.
On a standard PC, Windows running on its own, no applications open, is usually consuming 50% of the system’s resources at idle. Being generous, Xbox OS is probably a 30% overhead.
PlayStation OS is a customized BSD UNIX environment. BSD systems are extremely efficient, with the OS only consuming 5-10% of the system resources for operational housekeeping.
That huge gap in OS efficiency is a big factor in Series X not being able to outperform the PS5 in spite of higher specs on paper.
It’s like a drag race between a Challenger and a Ferrari, but the Ferrari is towing a trailer.
Not really. Modern OS' have some of the most commonly used services and applications front loaded so that they load them faster upon request. Your numbers are also wildly incorrect, or at least not applicable to all use cases.
My Mac on idle
- 24GB of RAM used out of 32
- <7% CPU (loads change between 3 and ~7%)
- 4GB of RAM used out of 32
- <10% CPU (loads change between 1% and ~10%)
Oh , ok. The way you worded it felt like there was something wrong like a hardware failure with series x. The issue isnt the hardware, its the tools/API/OS thats fucking it.
Also Sony is just better at gaming period. Interms of designing hardware/Developer tools.
Hes the only one with a "real" job though at IGN right? If xbox sinks he can always go to covering third party stuff or whatever IGN does. But the others? Theyre entire youtube channels, algorithims and clicks, and revene based off of that revolve around xbox doing well.
The % CPU use in idle depende of the services running and the CPU power.
Number of cores and clock defines the CPU power.
So a 2-core CPU will have a 10-20% idle use but a 8-core CPU will probably be less than 5%.
We don’t have single-core CPUs anymore but I can guess if the Windows 11 runs in a single core CPU it should use at least 40% of the CPU in idle… and don’t be surprise if it peak at near 100%
Said that XboxOS has minimum services running that makes it a lot lighter than Windows on PC.
I don’t think it is comparable at all.
Same for PS5 the FreeBSD running is a lot lighter than actual FreeBSD running on PC.
And yes MacOS cache apps at start… to be fair the money is there to be used and make the experience better.
The % CPU use in idle depende of the services running and the CPU power.
Number of cores and clock defines the CPU power.
So a 2-core CPU will have a 10-20% idle use but a 8-core CPU will problema be less than 5%.
We don’t have single-core CPUs anymore but I can guess if the Windows 11 runs in a single core CPU it should use at least 40% of the CPU in idle… and don’t be surprise if it peak at near 100%
I don't really need you to explain me how that works, but thanks.
Ive already seen "Sales are expected be down because its post pandemic and 2021 was good because halo and forza."
These kinds of discussions remind me of good old Geordie, I miss him, the old fart.
Where ever you are Geordie, i wish you well.
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In Ryan's defence from the interviews I've seen him in he doesn't come across like an idiot. A couple of bad tweets (the 343 one especially) this year have soured me on him. Ryan is positive about Xbox and not attacking the competition. A rarity in gaming journalism, positivity.
The first thing you need to do is press the power on-buttom, You tell them.
It's easy to be positive about a company that cuts you cheques to be that way about them.
Ryan is probably one of the rare Xbox media people who don't spend a lot of time whining about / attacking Playstation.
The rest of them like to blame Playstation for Xbox's problems.
I think if he was paid, he would be making negative attacks. He doesn't do this (to my knowledge) so I would cut him a bit more slack. True I did take the piss about his tweets but I wouldn't tar him with the same brush as the rest of the Justice Shills.
ryan's had some of the dumbest tweets in recent memory, like the begging for xbox to go 'scorched earth' and buying up all the japanese devlopers after ABK gets blocked" one.
The way paid press works, it is usually to be positive about the company paying, and no explicit requirement to drag the competition, as it is easier to dance around the issue semantically that way than if any incriminating emails or messages were to leak instructing a writer to try to damage the reputation of a competitor. Legal ass-covering. That most of their paid shills also attack Sony is just down to their own, individual styles.
I thought that was Jez Corden who said that. Also, that strategy would depend on if those devs wanted to be bought by MS. The only one I can see going for that is Sega, which admittedly would suck.
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Even beyond being willing to be bought, the company in question can't be on the Japanese government's list of tech companies that are considered "Strategic Assets" and are not allowed to be owned by a foreign entity, and the criteria for that status is a lot more arcane than you'd expect.
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