2022 might go down as the worst year ever for Xbox 1st party game release

[Deleted member 13]

The numbers have been around 47 for around 2 years, Over 40 for around 3 years, Over 30 for just over 4 years.
PS+ Has only just been changed to Include PSNow numbers and that was only around 3+ million.

@DarkMage619 - explain.

 

[Gamernyc78]

The numbers have been around 47 for around 2 years, Over 40 for around 3 years, Over 30 for just over 4 years.
PS+ Has only just been changed to Include PSNow numbers and that was only around 3+ million.

I think what mage was getting at was not psnow fluffing up psplus numbers but the other way around, as in the merge was done to pad up psnow numbers. Plus we all know didn't need padding as it's the most successful of all those services and as mentioned is 50 million plus adding psnow wouldnt make a dent in those numbers as psnow only had a little over three million subscribers.

 

[Hezekiah]

It's really weird you guys keep hitting the same key with this. Spiderman is a 4 YEAR OLD game, that shit was cool 4 years ago it's not some extra pixels that will make the game better. MAYBE 5% of PC user will have a rig that will play it better than the PS5.

I don't know if advocating for more pixels is worth being out of the loop for so long. I can't picture myself waiting 2-4 years to play a good game just because.

Thinks why I think it's great to have a PC and a PS5.

Waiting two years or whatever for a game versus having the opportunity to play it day one...

Also PC hardware has increased massively in price over the past few years. Motherboards are way more expensive than they were five years ago, and GPU's are still stupidly expensive - as you suggested above, my PS5 is more powerful on the GPU end due to still owning a 1000 series Nvidia.

It's not as simple as saying 'cost doesn't matter' in the real world.

 

[Remember_Spinal]

Thinks why I think it's great to have a PC and a PS5.

Waiting two years or whatever for a game versus having the opportunity to play it day one...

Also PC hardware has increased massively in price over the past few years. Motherboards are way more expensive than they were five years ago, and GPU's are still stupidly expensive - as you suggested above, my PS5 is more powerful on the GPU end due to still owning a 1000 series Nvidia.

It's not as simple as saying 'cost doesn't matter' in the real world.

And realistically spider-man came out 4 years ago, if you played it in 2018 remastered on pc isn’t gonna be some wildly different experience.

I’m not waiting years or even months to play the games i want

 

[Hezekiah]

And realistically spider-man came out 4 years ago, if you played it in 2018 remastered on pc isn’t gonna be some wildly different experience.

I’m not waiting years or even months to play the games i want

Yeah and as mentioned, the vast majority of PC gamers dont own uber rigs which will allow them to play at 4k, 120fps+.

 

[Deleted member 13]

It's not as simple as saying 'cost doesn't matter' in the real world.

Let me clear this up.

I'm saying when comparing two platforms for which one is implemented the best doesn't take price into consideration when you are trying to test the best of the hardware against SKUs. I'm not saying it's not a factor for the average gamer that has to afford large sums of money to play a game.

Cerny's comment is disingenuous. He assumes people buy $3000 PCs to play a game instead of someone already having a $3k PC for whatever reason and is now able to play the game.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Let me clear this up.

I'm saying when comparing two platforms for which one is implemented the best doesn't take price into consideration when you are trying to test the best of the hardware against SKUs. I'm not saying it's not a factor for the average gamer that has to afford large sums of money to play a game.

Cerny's comment is disingenuous. He assumes people buy $3000 PCs to play a game instead of someone already having a $3k PC for whatever reason and is now able to play the game.

I'm gonna take a shit on your $3000 PC and let's see how well it works after that

 

[DarkMage619]

I think what mage was getting at was not psnow fluffing up psplus numbers but the other way around, as in the merge was done to pad up psnow numbers. Plus we all know didn't need padding as it's the most successful of all those services and as mentioned is 50 million plus adding psnow wouldnt make a dent in those numbers as psnow only had a little over three million subscribers.

Yes. PS Now was the competing service to Game pass not PS+. Sony merged their services to make themselves look better. PS+ most likely had more subs than Xbox Live Gold but it should have seeing how they had more users. There was no excuse for PS Now to be worse than Game pass though for same reasons. Xbox was providing more value.

 

[Shmunter]

Yes. PS Now was the competing service to Game pass not PS+. Sony merged their services to make themselves look better. PS+ most likely had more subs than Xbox Live Gold but it should have seeing how they had more users. There was no excuse for PS Now to be worse than Game pass though for same reasons. Xbox was providing more value.

Keeping in mind the limited release of PSNOW and non existent backing & promotion. It was unimportant to Sony till the restructure. The game has changed drastically.

 

[PropellerEar]

Let me clear this up.

I'm saying when comparing two platforms for which one is implemented the best doesn't take price into consideration when you are trying to test the best of the hardware against SKUs. I'm not saying it's not a factor for the average gamer that has to afford large sums of money to play a game.

Cerny's comment is disingenuous. He assumes people buy $3000 PCs to play a game instead of someone already having a $3k PC for whatever reason and is now able to play the game.

Cerny (if he said that) is more correct in his generalization.
Nobody just doesn't happens to have a 6900XT/RTX3090 if they are not gamers.
People having 6900XT/RTX3090 for other reasons is a very niche group, and nobody is targeting games for them.

 

[Darth Vader]

The numbers have been around 47 for around 2 years, Over 40 for around 3 years, Over 30 for just over 4 years.
PS+ Has only just been changed to Include PSNow numbers and that was only around 3+ million.

This is not how numbers work. You can't assume that PS Plus has X, PSNow had 3M, therefore the final value is X+3. It's very likely a lot of users had both services, so the sum of both may be closer to null.

Dude I hate to break it to you but PS Now was getting stomped by Game pass for years. That's the fact. Look it up.

it was, and it wasn't a good service. That's also completely irrelevant to this topic.

Are you talking about the recently revamped PS+ that had to add PS Now with their online service to make their numbers look better? And you are talking to me about regurgitated marketing points?

Yep, regurgitated marketing points. Are you paid for astroturfing or are you just doing it for free? They didn't make anything look better, they had a service that was pretty much abandoned and decided to release a revamped PS Plus with that service added if you're willing to pay an increased fee. It's even better for me, as a gamer, because it's cheaper overall (If I want PSNow like features).

They absolutely are. Sony just merged PS + and PS Now and are acting like they've always had a larger sub audience. It's not impressive.

They did? Sony had over 47M people subscribed to PS Plus. Those people can now get a plan that includes a better version of PS Now embedded in the service. Sony absolutely had the biggest subscription service, period. Microsoft does not release numbers for both gamepass and Live Gold, so we're all left to speculate on those, but since uncle Phil did not scream from the top of a mountain that they have more subscribers... you do the math, if astroturf bootcamp allows you.

 

[Deleted member 13]

Cerny (if he said that) is more correct in his generalization.
Nobody just doesn't happens to have a 6900XT/RTX3090 if they are not gamers.
People having 6900XT/RTX3090 for other reasons is a very niche group, and nobody is targeting games for them.

The beauty about those GPUs is that games don't need to be targeted specifically for them because there is nothing really that they can do "new" other than more samples, higher framerates and more GPU heavy features like HBAO, LOD and RT (w/reconstruction).

 

[PropellerEar]

The beauty about those GPUs is that games don't need to be targeted specifically for them because there is nothing really that they can do "new" other than more samples, higher framerates and more GPU heavy features like HBAO, LOD and RT (w/reconstruction).

Why are we moving the goalpost now, with some BS?
My reply was to you trying to say Cerny was disingenuous, while he was pretty much correct.

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

I'm gonna take a shit on your $3000 PC and let's see how well it works after that

That will complement the RGB very well!

 

[PropellerEar]

That will complement the RGB very well!

Christmas tree with a turd on top?

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

Christmas tree with a turd on top?

RGB is all about performance!

 

[Deleted member 13]

Why are we moving the goalpost now, with some BS?
My reply was to you trying to say Cerny was disingenuous, while he was pretty much correct.

And I disagree. People aren't spending $3k for a PC just to play Spiderman. So that's what my argument is.

 

[PropellerEar]

And I disagree. People aren't spending $3k for a PC just to play Spiderman. So that's what my argument is.

Just Spider-man ??

Cerny's comment is disingenuous. He assumes people buy $3000 PCs to play a game instead of someone already having a $3k PC for whatever reason and is now able to play the game.

Why so disingenuous?
Whatever reason but not gaming?

People buy high-end graphics cards to play games. People who buy high-end graphics cards for whatever reason are insignificant group.

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

People buy high-end graphics cards to play games. People who buy high-end graphics cards for whatever reason are insignificant group.

These cards accelerate alot of professional work tasks as well as games (and there is an overlap).

 

[Sharinghack]

These cards accelerate alot of professional work tasks as well as games (and there is an overlap).

I'm included in this userbase, I have a very powerful PC but I didn't buy it for games, I need it for work, but alas it plays games very well