I'm pretty sure Aaron Greenberg doesn't know how many consoles have been sold. Likely only very few people know, and why would Greenberg be among them?
Ampere Analysis / Console Sales: PS5 (21.7 million), Xbox Series X|S (13.8 million)
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It's just sales everyone, no need to act like children. PS5 is selling and Xbox is selling, PS5 is just selling more. End off.
Vgchartz had overtracked PS5 by over 1M. That’s with Sony providing numbers publicly. Their Xbox numbers must be out of wack completely with MS releasing no sales numbers at all. They’re guessing 100% and taking estimates from a forum poster, Welfare.
I would not trust any number they have with Xbox. Sony gives updates on PS5 sales every quarter so at least Vgchartz can correct their numbers.
Trusting them over Ampere is laughable.
I would not trust any number they have with Xbox. Sony gives updates on PS5 sales every quarter so at least Vgchartz can correct their numbers.
Trusting them over Ampere is laughable.
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The fact that so many are in their feelings about SALES, or when their system is selling more than their enemies, it's like WTF is wrong with some of these man babies?!
Of course it isn’t getting any attention. American media is really trying to make the Series consoles happen… and they’re failing.
Nope. VGC and Welfare publish different types of numbers.
VGC estimates sell-through numbers, Welfare estimates sold-in numbers. Their methodologies are also quite different.
Welfare guesses both and do it badly wrong because it just that guesses combined with wishes.
BTW his guesses are just 1.2+ million off for sell thought.
VGC is an old warrior guessing the numbers whiteout any retail evidence…. anybody knows D’Angelo that took the job after Ioi give up (at least the former owner had access to regional GameStop or BestBuy data he worked).
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It's silly.... Is knowing how many million gonna change what PS5 and Xbox Series does?
Oh you got him good.Lol, suddenly Piers and Ampere Analysis became unreliable and biased?Haven't you been treating Ampere's numbers as gospel on this forum for a while now?
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Bethesda games sell more on pc. You won’t see people rushing to buy Starfield on consoles.
The takes in this thread are entertaining, to say the least. It's gonna be a very long generation for some of you
But you do have games. They’re just not good gamesThat's the thing, my backlog is getting bigger all the time. That's why his "hurr durr no games" quip makes no sense
The biggest games are Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Minecraft and Roblox. And GI is not on Xbox.
Welfare tries to calculate Xbox hardware sales based on hardware revenue but wouldn’t Xbox controllers also account for hardware revenue? I don’t know how much of a factor controllers contribute to overall hardware but it must be somewhat significant because Microsoft has a new controller almost every month. Just point out a flaw in welfare logic.
Whichever Sales Guessers Favor My Toy Most is the Only Good One: The Thread 
Tbh I don’t get all the hate for VGchartz from either side. Yes they get alot wrong, but theres been times they mention a number and then it gets confirmed after a couple of week. Especially during the PS3/360 era and earlier PS4/XOne times
If Aaron doesn't know, and he's directly under Phil Spencer, and also responsible for marketing, that would be really bad no? Heck, does Phil even know how many Xboxes have sold if that's the case, or is Nadella getting the numbers and hiding them from the head of Xbox?
I imagine it'd make doing his job very difficult for no good reason.
Also if Greenberg doesn't know, why would he quote VGChartz in the first place? Is he hoping they can help him do his job?
And neither are as accurate as Ampere or NPD. So don't know why this matters.
Yep, peripherals are included in hardware revenue as well, for all three companies. The only exception might be things that can be considered their own platform in a sense like PSVR2, but that still requires a PS5 so I don't see a reason they would separate it into its own hardware category in terms of overall revenue. Maybe as a subset within the main hardware revenue.
It's probably really difficult to calculate what percentage of hardware revenue comes from peripherals tho...although it would be easier if Microsoft actually, y'know, just reported outright hardware sales numbers. But they like to just skirt right outside doing that.
Never saw that and I was an active user there in PS360 age… most of time Ioi changed the data after some actual data get public.
I created several threads with actual data in a lot of countries where VGC had 360 overestimated and PS3 underestimated… that includes US, UK, German, Spain, Italy, France, Australia, etc.
One of the times Ioi asked me where he could adjust because He couldn’t feature where he was wrong
They got Japan more accurate but Famitsu give them the numbers every weeks so there is no room for mistake.
NPD had public numbers at that time… so every month after NPD big adjustments happened… I had a thread with all these changes in numbers.
Never saw that and I was an active user there in PS360 age… most of time Ioi changed the data after some actual data get public.
I created several threads with actual data in a lot of countries where VGC had 360 overestimated and PS3 underestimated.
One of the times Ioi asked me where he could adjust because He couldn’t feature where he was wrong
I never saw his posts or anything like that tbh, or even know him. Id just follow the site back in the day.
Even recently I think when PS5 hit 10-12?million, they mentioned it a week or 2 before it was “official”. It will be in one of my older posts.