"Baldur's Gate 3 for the Xbox isnt ruled out" - devs

[Shmunter]

The small install base and cost to dev/test multiple sku’s will always make the platform an afterthought

 

[KiryuRealty]

The small install base and cost to dev/test multiple sku’s will always make the platform an afterthought

It’s like the perfect storm for Xbox, but they fucked themselves in every possible way instead of outside events.

 

[Deleted member 417]

Are we really witnessing the end of Xbox or just another rough phase for them? Because the last 6 months have not been kind and unless they pull something magic out of the hat, the next 6 months are going to be slaughter.

#nofanboy

 

[peter42O]

Are we really witnessing the end of Xbox or just another rough phase for them? Because the last 6 months have not been kind and unless they pull something magic out of the hat, the next 6 months are going to be slaughter.

A slaughter in what way? Game wise, Microsoft has a stacked first half of 2023 and a bunch of day one Game Pass deals.

 

[Deleted member 417]

A slaughter in what way? Game wise, Microsoft has a stacked first half of 2023 and a bunch of day one Game Pass deals.

Name them. Outside of redfall and starfield, microsoft has multiplatform games. Sony just realeased a peripheral with 40 games.

 

[KiryuRealty]

Are we really witnessing the end of Xbox or just another rough phase for them? Because the last 6 months have not been kind and unless they pull something magic out of the hat, the next 6 months are going to be slaughter.

#nofanboy

This is the end.


Phil has admitted that he couldn’t get new hardware greenlit until he convinced Nadella that Game Pass would work.

Game Pass has NOT grown, and has the worst churn in entertainment subscription services.

The board of directors and the largest investors have been arguing for Xbox to be scrapped for 22 years now.

The Activision buyout attempt is pissing off competition watchdogs all over the world, which will have an ongoing chilling effect for any such transactions for MS for years to come.

They’re in last place in all metrics, with no hope of recovery. This generation has hit critical mass due to Sony getting supply in order at last, killing any chance that Xbox could be close in sales.

Series X is rumoured to be in a production freeze already, with insiders reporting that none are being built or shipped, with no explanation given. This is most likely due to the bonehead decision to make the APU for both Series models on the same wafer, meaning a costly redesign and retooling to change the production ratio between the S and X, and retail is flooded with unsold Series S stock.


If they aren’t selling the hardware they’ve made, and they aren’t making more of the hardware people would prefer, where does that leave them?

 

[peter42O]

Name them. Outside of redfall and starfield, microsoft has multiplatform games. Sony just realeased a peripheral with 40 games.

Age of Empires 2 DE
Hi Fi Rush
Minecraft Legends
Redfall
Ghostwire Tokyo port
Forza Horizon 5 expansion
The Elder Scrolls expansion

As for PSVR 2, the vast majority of games are ports from Rift or upgrades from PSVR 1. Don't know what an add-on has to do with just the consoles themselves.

 

[Deleted member 417]

This is the end.


Phil has admitted that he couldn’t get new hardware greenlit until he convinced Nadella that Game Pass would work.

Game Pass has NOT grown, and has the worst churn in entertainment subscription services.

The board of directors and the largest investors have been arguing for Xbox to be scrapped for 22 years now.

The Activision buyout attempt is pissing off competition watchdogs all over the world, which will have an ongoing chilling effect for any such transactions for MS for years to come.

They’re in last place in all metrics, with no hope of recovery. This generation has hit critical mass due to Sony getting supply in order at last, killing any chance that Xbox could be close in sales.

Series X is rumoured to be in a production freeze already, with insiders reporting that none are being built or shipped, with no explanation given. This is most likely due to the bonehead decision to make the APU for both Series models on the same wafer, meaning a costly redesign and retooling to change the production ratio between the S and X, and retail is flooded with unsold Series S stock.


If they aren’t selling the hardware they’ve made, and they aren’t making more of the hardware people would prefer, where does that leave them?

Humour me and come with me on a journey of hypotheticals.

Let's say the ABK deal goes through, without a hitch, no problems whatsoever. Then Xbox becomes unpopular, nobody wants it, the X is supply constrained and Series S, while easy to find, is undesirable and holds back more games (including starfield). Come November, starfield is a hit, but releases to only 20 million Series' consoles around the world.

In that scenario, does Xbox still head to destination; fucked and if so, what of ABK?

 

[KiryuRealty]

Humour me and come with me on a journey of hypotheticals.

Let's say the ABK deal goes through, without a hitch, no problems whatsoever. Then Xbox becomes unpopular, nobody wants it, the X is supply constrained and Series S, while easy to find, is undesirable and holds back more games (including starfield). Come November, starfield is a hit, but releases to only 20 million Series' consoles around the world.

In that scenario, does Xbox still head to destination; fucked and if so, what of ABK?

I’m not wasting time on that. MS themselves have killed the deal.

 

[Deleted member 417]

Age of Empires 2 DE
Hi Fi Rush
Minecraft Legends
Redfall
Ghostwire Tokyo port
Forza Horizon 5 expansion
The Elder Scrolls expansion

As for PSVR 2, the vast majority of games are ports from Rift or upgrades from PSVR 1. Don't know what an add-on has to do with just the consoles themselves.

You can't dismiss the vr2 library for having ports and upgrades and then list ports and upgrades. Not console warring, but that list is pathetic. Put that list on any console, in any year and it's just sad. A port of a ps5 game, 2 expansions and a remake - albeit of a once glorious game.

Your words were "stacked" year.

 

[Deleted member 417]

I’m not wasting time on that. MS themselves have killed the deal.

You have no humour.

What I'm getting at is the question "Even with the ABK deal going through, Is xbox facing the inevitable end?" Is the end nigh for xbox, regardless of what happens from now?

 

[peter42O]

You can't dismiss the vr2 library for having ports and upgrades and then list ports and upgrades. Not console warring, but that list is pathetic. Put that list on any console, in any year and it's just sad. A port of a ps5 game, 2 expansions and a remake - albeit of a once glorious game.

Your words were "stacked" year.

I said stacked first half of 2023 which it is.

 

[anonpuffs]

I said stacked first half of 2023 which it is.

Stacked for you personally or stacked in general?

Because I look at that list and think "meh, no, double meh"

 

[peter42O]

Stacked for you personally or stacked in general?

Because I look at that list and think "meh, no, double meh"

In general. For me, I only care about Redfall but just because I don't have any interest in the other stuff doesn't mean that the first half isn't stacked for Microsoft.

 

[ethomaz]

As a any honest developer will tell you, series s its a problem for the future of the xbox ecosystem and for a lot of third party devs, sony ones doesnt have that problem, they have idéntical skus, the only devs i have seen defending the series s are índies or the ones under the xbox umbrella, they wont be honest

It is not only an issue for Xbox.
Multiplatform game design will be hold back Series S and that include us PS users.

We have to take the loses for other company bad decisions.

 

[ethomaz]

Age of Empires 2 DE
Hi Fi Rush
Minecraft Legends
Redfall
Ghostwire Tokyo port
Forza Horizon 5 expansion
The Elder Scrolls expansion

As for PSVR 2, the vast majority of games are ports from Rift or upgrades from PSVR 1. Don't know what an add-on has to do with just the consoles themselves.

And I believed you.
That is not stacked… that is just old games getting new content or being remastered.
Redfall and Hi Fi Rush being new.

Just these 2 months already had more releases on PS5 than your stacked 6 months.

 

[KiryuRealty]

You have no humour.

What I'm getting at is the question "Even with the ABK deal going through, Is xbox facing the inevitable end?" Is the end nigh for xbox, regardless of what happens from now?

If the deal somehow passed, I’d still say XBox is toast within five years, maximum. Possibly sooner if the results aren’t good immediately

 

[Deleted member 417]

If the deal somehow passed, I’d still say XBox is toast within five years, maximum. Possibly sooner if the results aren’t good immediately

If the deal goes through, would that add extra pressure on the xbox department to succeed and turn a profit?

 

[KiryuRealty]

If the deal goes through, would that add extra pressure on the xbox department to succeed and turn a profit?

Absolutely.

That deal is valued at the amount MS has already pissed away on Xbox over the last 20 years!

For the board and shareholders to be ok with a $140 BILLLION crater dug by Xbox, they’d have to be outselling the PS5 with an insane attach rate for years to even come close to having that deal be worthwhile, and considering how hard of a time MS has always had in bringing hardware costs to a point of profitability, it would make FAR more sense to go third-party and only sell software but sell it on all platforms to make money.

That sort of situation just reinforces how absurd 20-plus years of tiliting at windmills in the console hardware arena has truly been.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

Age of Empires 2 DE
Hi Fi Rush
Minecraft Legends
Redfall
Ghostwire Tokyo port
Forza Horizon 5 expansion
The Elder Scrolls expansion

As for PSVR 2, the vast majority of games are ports from Rift or upgrades from PSVR 1. Don't know what an add-on has to do with just the consoles themselves.

Oof. None of that will do anything. Ghostwire Tokyo is on PS+ so even less hype about that. Hifi and AOE came and went. Another ESO DLC. Seriously? Lol