Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 developers strike over office working policy

[Entropi]

Or you know some people like working in an office, no need to get your anti social panties in a bunch. There is no better solution than hopping over to your coworkers cabin to quickly discuss a problem or a solution while writing code. Its hilarious that going to office is considered speaking/fighting spirit for oneself, maybe keep that energy for negotiating raises instead

I’m not talking about the people you are referring to. Read my post again.

Extroverts can go to an office and party 7 days a week if they want. Who cares? Nothing wrong with that. The introverts need to get the job done, though.

Oh, and I don’t need to negotiate raises. That’s for when not too good at what you do.

 

[KvallyX]

Nice try, Jeff Bezos.

Hey, us bald guys have feelings

 

[Entropi]

Hey, us bald guys have feelings

Bald guys rock!

 

[KvallyX]

I’m fully remote, while my wife is hybrid. She is significantly more productive when at home, avoiding the 2-3 hour traffic commute and having more energy to work more.

Nothing wrong with that at all. Maybe someday I will apply for a remote job myself.

 

[Monkeyclaw]

Hey, us bald guys have feelings

Yup. Especially when its cold and my beanie hat is still in the house...... Makes my head feel like a glacier....

 

[Entropi]

Nothing wrong with that at all. Maybe someday I will apply for a remote job myself.

I’ve been remote for 7 years. I attend in-person meetings when necessary, of course, and meet with customers every day. It takes discipline to avoid working 12-16 hours daily, I had to learn that. It has its challenges, but it’s worth it for me. Now, I’m not saying everyone should do it.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

The face-to-face social component among members of a team is crucial for creativity, innovation and mental health.

Humans are social animals. Very few people can keep being able to function normally without meeting other people most days. Some people do find regular social interaction elsewhere, but many (a lot) just become secluded which harms their mental health and eventually their social skills and ability to communicate.
To this day we still don't know the full extent of the mental health damage caused by COVID seclusion. We do know that suicides, divorces, domestic violence and other issues soared during that time and haven't gone down to pre-pandemic levels yet.


Odds are most people saying they'll "never want to go to the office ever again" are festering a bunch of mental health and social issues that will tend to grow over time. Having to show your face and control your emotions in front of other people, listening to stuff that annoy us, being bothered by the presence of people we don't particularly like, doing coffee breaks to talk about how our pet kept us awake during the night, etc. is all quite healthy because we evolved to do that.


Working together with other humans around is how we evolved throughout the millennia. It isn't a deep state / corporate agenda to keep people under control to do things they don't want. Corporations would love to stop having to pay rent for offices. If they're bringing people back is because they know productivity and cooperation went down.

 

[Gediminas]

I’m fully remote, while my wife is hybrid. She is significantly more productive when at home, avoiding the 2-3 hour traffic commute and having more energy to work more. It’s so obvious, yet some people refuse to understand that not everyone should waste time commuting to an office when there is no value in it. But hey, the CEO’s real state buddies need those workers in offices to make more money.

this is false. just because you work more, doesn't mean, you are more productive. Productive means, more work done at the same time period.

what you are communicating, that she just works more, that's why she does more not that she does more in the same working hours.

yet, you fall to the same premise as you dished out here, refuse to understand, that there is plenty of value to go to the office. from social interaction to the helping each other, to collaboration with work etc..
i can use the same anecdote and say, my wife works way more productive at the office then at home. but home have other advantages, not related to workplace.
plus, i know, most of her co-workers are the same, way more productive at the office.

 

[AllBizness]

Work from home was essential to keep business running during a pandemic.
Before that they all worked from office.

Now all of a sudden they think they have the right to work from home? Ok thank you and bye bye.
Spoiled brats.

When I see ordinary citizens saying everyone should go back to work in the office it let's me know you're brainwashed by politicians who were lobbied by corporate landlords to get people back in the office so that corporations will keep renewing their office leasing agreements and many companies said screw that and let their people work from home if it doesn't lessen productivity. The company saves money and the employees save money on commuting cost which is effectively a pay raise.

 

[Entropi]

this is false. just because you work more, doesn't mean, you are more productive. Productive means, more work done at the same time period.

what you are communicating, that she just works more, that's why she does more not that she does more in the same working hours.

yet, you fall to the same premise as you dished out here, refuse to understand, that there is plenty of value to go to the office. from social interaction to the helping each other, to collaboration with work etc..
i can use the same anecdote and say, my wife works way more productive at the office then at home. but home have other advantages, not related to workplace.
plus, i know, most of her co-workers are the same, way more productive at the office.

Good for your wife and coworkers. Congratulations! Office work is great for some people.

Mine is more productive at home. She knows it, and her manager even asks her to stay at home all week sometimes, because she knows it too. Her manager is even trying to find a way to make her remote full time.

Maybe you should lecture both on how wrong they are?

 

[Gediminas]

Good for your wife and coworkers. Congratulations! Office work is great for some people.

Mine is more productive at home. She knows it, and her manager even asks her to stay at home all week sometimes, because she knows it too. Her manager is even trying to find a way to make her remote full time.

Maybe you should lecture both on how wrong they are?

I wasn't one who lectured others about lack of understanding, you were.

I just gave different prospective and you humbled yourself fast with reasonable comment. There are plusses and minuses at both workplaces and that some prefer office work and some working from home.

Both are valid choices if it fits both, employee and employer.

 

[Monkeyclaw]

When I see ordinary citizens saying everyone should go back to work in the office it let's me know you're brainwashed by politicians who were lobbied by corporate landlords to get people back in the office so that corporations will keep renewing their office leasing agreements and many companies said screw that and let their people work from home if it doesn't lessen productivity. The company saves money and the employees save money on commuting cost which is effectively a pay raise.

lol ok sunshine.
I have a different view and therefore brainwashed. Gotcha.

But you failed to even read my post correctly. I only said that just because it was necessary then, doesnt mean its a God given right all of a sudden.

Oh and saving money isn't the same as a pay raise. Electricity, heating, coffee, water, all things normally used under company cost that you now have to use at home are now free? If anything you'll probably break even or maybe have to actually pay more for monthly bills and groceries.

You fail to factor in a lot of details. So dont lecture me.

 

[Monkeyclaw]

I wasn't one who lectured others about lack of understanding, you were.

I just gave different prospective and you humbled yourself fast with reasonable comment. There are plusses and minuses at both workplaces and that some prefer office work and some working from home.

Both are valid choices if it fits both, employee and employer.

This. I CAN work from home. But I choose not to. It's about interaction and the social aspect for me. At home I can get distracted real fast while at work I can really focus and be more efficient.

That and I choose to separate work from private as much as possible. Both professional and physical.
My house is not my workplace and vice versa.

 

[Entropi]

I wasn't one who lectured others about lack of understanding, you were.

I just gave different prospective and you humbled yourself fast with reasonable comment. There are plusses and minuses at both workplaces and that some prefer office work and some working from home.

Both are valid choices if it fits both, employee and employer.

Yeah. I admit when I make a mistake. I’m not sure why some think I’m preaching against working in an office. I really don’t care about that, and never did. Work where you like the most. Now, forcing some people to return to the office for the sake of their rich buddies, or some politician, or the whims of a manager stuck in the 50s, is bullshit. I hope the people affected can find a better place to work.

 

[Boswollox]

Don't understand this desire to shill for corporate overlords. They don't care about you. They only want money.

Because most WFH staff are the lazy cunts who didn't want to when they were in the office. Now they toss it off at home and double the workload for everyone around them.

The bast majority of WFH who used to be permanent in an office are workshy slackers who should be sacked and their salaries splits between those who continue to carry the teams and departments.

 

[anonpuffs]

nah man we need people to spend a chunk of their paycheck each week on gas money to keep them poor

The people who hate work from home generally feel like workers are slaves that must be driven to task with the whip of discipline, projecting their own personal inadequacies and refusing to contemplate that some people are actually self motivated and don't need an overlord looking over their shoulder to keep them on task.

 

[Gediminas]

Yeah. I admit when I make a mistake. I’m not sure why some think I’m preaching against working in an office. I really don’t care about that, and never did. Work where you like the most. Now, forcing some people to return to the office for the sake of their rich buddies, or some politician, or the whims of a manager stuck in the 50s, is bullshit. I hope the people affected can find a better place to work.

It depends, on their contract and agreement and how they worked before. Covid was exception.
It is very reasonable to ask workers to return to the offices if that's how it was before.

What is unreasonable to act this way how they did. If you aren't happy with situation, go and negotiate new contract or new working conditions as by this action you are hurting the same workplace where you work which can hugely negatively impact the workplace and financial situation.

 

[FatKaz]

The people who hate work from home generally feel like workers are slaves that must be driven to task with the whip of discipline, projecting their own personal inadequacies and refusing to contemplate that some people are actually self motivated and don't need an overlord looking over their shoulder to keep them on task.

What makes me laugh is those guys harp on about the social aspect being important. I am willing to bet alot of them are anything but social.

 

[DarkLordOtaku]

The pro-office rhetoric on this thread is pretty wild to me.

I don't see any tangible benefit to mandating employees return to office, especially when many white collar jobs do not require interacting with others face to face anyway.

If you can't measure the productivity of your workers other than badge swipes, that's a management issue, not an employee issue.

Largely speaking, the RTO mandates are more likely cost cutting initiatives to encourage quitting, so severance checks do not have to go out. The problem with this strategy is you only retain employees who are either very pro-office, or are not skilled enough to job hop from the mandate.

 

[AllBizness]

lol ok sunshine.
I have a different view and therefore brainwashed. Gotcha.

But you failed to even read my post correctly. I only said that just because it was necessary then, doesnt mean its a God given right all of a sudden.

Oh and saving money isn't the same as a pay raise. Electricity, heating, coffee, water, all things normally used under company cost that you now have to use at home are now free? If anything you'll probably break even or maybe have to actually pay more for monthly bills and groceries.

You fail to factor in a lot of details. So dont lecture me.

You are making yourself look even more ridiculous by trying to save face. I'm saving over $300/month is gas by not going into the office which means more residual income for me. How can you not understand this? You're one of those people who will vote against their own self interest just so others can stay oppressed lol. I know your kind all too well.