Circane August Report - PS5 is #1 but all HW down by at least 34%

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Correct. Weird to bring Wukong sales up in a US sales thread.

We have no idea whether Wukong helped the PS5 in China/Asia (excluding Japan).

The game sold 20 million copies largely on PC, but if even 500K was net new PS5 users in China, that would drastically push PS5 towards their forecasted goals. That's 2.5%.

It's full speculation until we see numbers, but there is a very good chance that PS production that was meant for Japan has gone to China instead. You can barely find PS5s in stock in Japan at the moment and retailers are still limiting 1 PS5 per customer in many cases in Japan.
It was number 1 on PSN for awhile and it's still in the top 20 since release but it's only selling on PC 🤡

Why do you dismiss every sale on PS5 now? Only Steam matters? What is the point of that.
 

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The Pro isn't priced to move the needle in hardware adoption rates. Sony is selling it as a premium device for whales.
And yes, that's especially true in Europe.


The people who would buy into the generation 4 years later were those waiting for price drops. No price drops happening in a worsening economy means the slow down in console sales is going to be much more accentuated this gen compared to previous gens.
 
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It was number 1 on PSN for awhile and it's still in the top 20 since release but it's only selling on PC 🤡

Why do you dismiss every sale on PS5 now? Only Steam matters? What is the point of that.

The game sold the best in China. The lion's share of that 20 million is in China.

The lion's share of those Chinese sales are PC.
 
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An oversimplification ignoring the increased cost of doing business in Europe.

I doubt their margins are significantly higher in Europe than they are in the United States.

Even on the PS5 Pro, the price in Europe is only 35 USD dollars higher than the price in the United States.
PS5 Pro is ~$187 expensive in US compared to US.
In UK it is $219 expensive than US.

Even if you ignore rate conversion it is still $700 vs €800.

Plus if Sony had never choose usebase over profit I should agree with you.
But that is the first time Sony choose profit over userbase... most Sony consoles in the past were subsidized more in EU than US.
 

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PS5 Pro is ~$187 expensive in US compared to US.
In UK it is $219 expensive than US.

Even if you ignore rate conversion it is still $700 vs €800.

Plus if Sony had never choose usebase over profit I should agree with you.
But that is the first time Sony choose profit over userbase... most Sony consoles in the past were subsidized more in EU than US.

See my topic on this.
 

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Affter 46 months on the market

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So in USA launch aligned above PS4 and only under PS2 (pretty close) and Wii. Interesting.

I love how the PS5 is Sony's 2nd fastest selling console in US history and yet somehow Sony is KILLING the PS5 according to doomers and it still hasn't gotten a price cut... The margin between it and the PS2 isn't that far from it and the ps4.

Doomers... touch grass...
Well, we have to add that at this point PS2 and PS4 already had price cuts.

PS5 hardware instead doesn't have profit margins to apply the price cut, and instead had to increase the price to protect their profitability due to components price increase, inflation and currency exchange. Plus also had the period with shortages.
 
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The game sold the best in China. The lion's share of that 20 million is in China.

The lion's share of those Chinese sales are PC.
So what? If PS sold 1/4 it's still 5 millions, better than many multiplats. Space Marines didn't even reach that yet. SW Outlaws didn't. Metaphor will never reach it.

On one hand, you praise every Sony decision, even if they are counterproductive, but on the other you're always quick to downplay software sales on PS5. They don't move the needle, they need PC. PC is where it's at.

If games are not selling on PS5 then what is the point of selling consoles? I guess Sony is not doing as amazing as you lead us to believe 🤷
 

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So what? If PS sold 1/4 it's still 5 millions, better than many multiplats. Space Marines didn't even reach that yet. SW Outlaws didn't. Metaphor will never reach it.

On one hand, you praise every Sony decision, even if they are counterproductive, but on the other you're always quick to downplay software sales on PS5. They don't move the needle, they need PC. PC is where it's at.

If games are not selling on PS5 then what is the point of selling consoles? I guess Sony is not doing as amazing as you lead us to believe 🤷
I mean...

I totally believe that outside China PS5 sold on pair or even better than PC version at launch.

But in China? Nope... most of sales were PC version but a big margin.
That doesn't mean that PS5 didn't increase sales in China... I believe with all the evidences PS5 indeed have a big boost in sales in China but that probably a big boost compared with what sold before there... not millions lol

In my imagination I guess...
PS5 selling like few k units in China per week.
With Wukong it sold like 100k.
And the game sold like 200-300k... 500k max? Something like that.

Remember PS5 is selling twice fast compared with PS4 in China after Wukong.
 
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I mean...

I totally believe that outside Chine PS5 sold on pair or even better than PC version at launch.

But in China? Nope... most of sales were PC version but a big margin.
That doesn't mean that PS5 didn't increase sales in Chine... I believe with all the evidences PS5 indeed have a big boost in sales in China but that probably a big boost compared with what sold before there... not millions lol

In my imagination I guess...
PS5 selling like few k units in China per week.
With Wukong it sold like 100k.
And the game sold like 200-300k... 500k max? Something like that.

Remember PS5 is selling twice fast compared with PS4 in China after Wukong.
I was talking about Wukong sales on PS5 in USA and worldwide, not China specifically. It's performing very good on PSN with good legs.

Mibu was saying it's weird to bring up Wukong in USA but I wouldn't be surprised if it sold as much as Astrobot or Space Marines on PS5.
 
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new Games :
- Helldivers 2
- MLB The Show 24

old Games :
- Spider Man 2
- Ghost of Tsushima
- Gran Turismo 7

Great legs for GT7 & GoT.
 
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So what? If PS sold 1/4 it's still 5 millions, better than many multiplats. Space Marines didn't even reach that yet. SW Outlaws didn't. Metaphor will never reach it.

On one hand, you praise every Sony decision, even if they are counterproductive, but on the other you're always quick to downplay software sales on PS5. They don't move the needle, they need PC. PC is where it's at.

If games are not selling on PS5 then what is the point of selling consoles? I guess Sony is not doing as amazing as you lead us to believe 🤷

My commentary is without bias and agenda.

I call balls and strikes.

I absolutely don't praise every Sony decision, you just don't agree with the decisions that I think were correct.

If Wukong sold 5 million units on PS5 worldwide, I'm not sure that would be enough to really push hardware units in China, which is what we were discussing.

Who said games weren't selling on PS5? Just because I said Wukong sold primary on PC? College Football sold primarily on PS5. So will Metaphor... Helldivers 2 probably sold better on PC than PS5.

Fanboys are exhausting.
 

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new Games :
- Helldivers 2
- MLB The Show 24

old Games :
- Spider Man 2
- Ghost of Tsushima
- Gran Turismo 7

Great legs for GT7 & GoT.

Ghost of Tsushima is there because of the PC version.
GT7 has had great legs in part due to the movie.

5 out of the top 20 is crazy good for Sony though, mendoza line aside.

Spider-Man 2's legs are crazy. All the games above it are multiplatform.
 
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