So naive if you think it's better for him to get the Xbox money to stay afloat vs free access to all of Sonys technology, budget, engine and marketing.
He's going with Microsoft, that's already decided. Sony got scammed.
Death Stranding IP will now be owned by Kojima Productions
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He's going with Microsoft, that's already decided. Sony got scammed.
I wanted to say, which revenue because Xbox gamers will not purchase a 5 year old Japanese game. But you clarified that.
Who says that they Sony didn’t secure the new ip Kojima is working on? Could also be a deal that they have.
And also people here wanting Sony to strongarm fucking Kojima.
Death Stranding without Kojima just wouldn’t work. So it’s basically useless. No reason to worsen the relationship over it.
And also people here wanting Sony to strongarm fucking Kojima.
Death Stranding without Kojima just wouldn’t work. So it’s basically useless. No reason to worsen the relationship over it.
Correct.
Sony also owns a plethora of other Insomniac IPs which were developed for Windows and Oculus.
Edge of Nowhere, Stormland, Song of the Deep, Unspoken, Outernauts, Feral Rites and many more.
Slow Clap Sony. Really keeping your eye on the ball with unique and renowned ip’s
Everyone has an Opinion, agree or not its just that an Opinion.
It's hilarious that you're mind creates that narrative that the Sony that BOUGHT Insomniac just 5 years ago isn't the Sony of today.
You're warped my guy. I know me telling you this isn't going to magically change your thought process, but it's genuine and true. You have a problem. You're driven by a narrative that isn't real. You should try letting it go.
You insult people for disagreeing with you, without even understanding what they meant, but they are the ones who are warped?
I mean he's in that some boat that Square Enix is in.
He's put Death Stranding on everything but a toaster at this point. What was missed in the focus of the console wars is that this also came out for Amazon Luna today too.
Extremely expensive to keep studios open today and with x86 you can't really afford not to be porting games everywhere and getting every cent you can out fo them. That being said, I think we're both on the same page that you can't really get blood from a stone.
I understand you perfectly. That's not the problem. The problem is that you're divorced from the reality of running business in 2024 as many here are.
It's why you think the way you do about exclusivity, why you think the way you do on GaaS, and why you think the way you do on IP/studios.
You're convinced that you're right, despite a pretty easy way to ascertain whether you are or aren't.
I can never jive with such a generalisation when it comes to platform holders. Their mandate is to provide unique content unavailable elsewhere to drive users to their platform, whether 1st party or 3rd party deals. A 1st party behaving as a 3rd party is an oxymoron.
He thinks Sony and Kojima will make more money going to Amazon Luna and Xbox instead of keeping DS as an exclusive IP
If that's the kind of people the industry hires in 2024 then let them all rot.
We'll see how much money they make after the massive flops of Concord, Until Dawn and Lego Horizon. The strategy is working so well
Is that the real situation? I see more like Sony didn’t want to invest in Sunset Overdrive.
BTW the physics used there was pretty much used in Spider-Man.
That's because you're entirely focused on your own world view.
Here are the realities of today
- The vast majority of people don't buy consoles for exclusives
- When games are exclusive they largely only result in lost revenue
- Games are taking longer to develop and becoming extremely expensive and there are diminishing returns for single player games in terms of sustained revenue
- Releasing games across platforms can make your brand more successful and more popular
- See Helldivers as an example, but also success on single player games like Spider-Man, God of War, and Ghost of Tsushima
- Increasing your revenue can allow you to create a better place to play
A modern platform holder shoots to make their platform the best place to play games not the only place to play specific games.
Sony had their most successful first party output starting in 2013 and this did not significantly grow their TAM. Those games are significantly more expensive to develop now in 2024.
There is significant revenue to be had putting your games on other platforms without reducing TAM.
How do we know this? Because Sony is still sitting high on MAUs.
You continue to fail to understand that the paradigm has changed, but if you were right, we'd see a significant decline in MAUs. Not a single doomer has been able to explain to me why we haven't seen that.
There is no evidence Sony doesn't want to invest in Sunset Overdrive. There are simply only so many games Insomniac can develop. We still haven't seen a release date for Wolverine... or confirmation about Venom. Where did Insomniac have time to make Sunset Overdrive?
You have to make choices and based on leaked documents we see Insomniac/Sony are locked into Marvel games for a number of games. At least Spider-Man 3, Wolverine, X-Men "3".
They're locked up for the most part until 2035 with a couple original IPs potentially coming out before then.
I buy playstation for their first party game
The moment they start putting their game elsewhere im ready to walk away
Your telling me exclusive content isn’t a draw card when it is indeed a draw card for me and I’d say a few more.
Care to explain Xbox sales collapsing? Could it be that the paltry exclusive content they have is expected to not be exclusive at some point?
The whole argument that 1st party game sales matter more than the larger halo effect they have in driving people to a place defies logic, not only in games - but in everything.
I rest my case.
Everyone is playing in their faces this generation. A sight to behold how they went from almost being untouchable at the start of this generation to becoming the industry laughing stock and punching bag / ATM card whenever they need a quick fix.
I don't think it's that they're rejecting them. I bet Sony isn't even offering them any more, or if they do they try to avoid paying a commensurate amount of money. I.e. current Sony are being cheapskates.
I didn't say it wasn't a draw for you. That's what I'm trying to explain to you and I know it's difficult, but you're not representative of the gaming market.
I don't play GaaS games at all. That's also not representative of the gaming market. Somehow, I'm able to shelve my ego and understand that, but you're unable.
Xbox sales are collapsing because they haven't released ANY major games in years, exclusive or otherwise. There's not a single game that they've released on PC that had they not, they'd be in significantly better shape today. Combined with not being the system of choice in all of Europe and Asia is crippling. But they're still FAIRLY competitive in the United States despite not having a single exclusive.
Cool and if multiple people felt the way you did, there would be a drop off in MAU.
Explain to me why there isn't.