Death Stranding IP will now be owned by Kojima Productions

[Kokoloko]

So Sony should have kept the IP for at least a remake?

This is how publishers keep ips safe for themselves.

No1 can make Halo without Microsoft permission.
No1 can make MGS with Konami.
No1 can make Dark Souls without Namco.

Thats the power of owning a franchise. You make money from it and no1 can use it against you. Sony help build so many of these IPS.
They gave Kojima a games engine, motion tech and deal when fired from Konami.
And now these games games are used not in their favour. Persona, Yakuza to name a couple.

Now nothing stops Kojima from making Death Stranding 3 exclusive to Gamepass lol

I dont know Sony’s plan. And TBH I dont think the people in charge are forward thinking about

 

[Muddasar]

This is how publishers keep ips safe for themselves.

No1 can make Halo without Microsoft permission.
No1 can make MGS with Konami.
No1 can make Dark Souls without Namco.

Thats the power of owning a franchise. You make money from it and no1 can use it against you. Sony help build so many of these IPS.
They gave Kojima a games engine, motion tech and deal when fired from Konami.
And now these games games are used not in their favour. Persona, Yakuza to name a couple.

Now nothing stops Kojima from making Death Stranding 3 exclusive to Gamepass lol

I dont know Sony’s plan. And TBH I dont think the people in charge are forward thinking about

Agree that it gives Sony power owning a franchise and who make it but reality is -

Halo is now dead without Bungie.
MGS is now dead without Kojima.
Dark Souls is now dead without From.

Death Stranding would have suffered the same fate.

 

[Kokoloko]

...and there are probably a few from this gen I am not recalling ATM. But yes, MS still does 3P timed exclusive deals, yet most don't call it out. They don't keep that same energy for MS like they do with Sony.

They dont call it out because they are disingenuous fucks, on this forum too.

All these Xbox/PC fans who scream at Sony for having 3rd party exclusives. And claim the future is non exclusives, dont know Xbox have exclusives themselves?… fans of xbox or gaming fans that dont know xbox does have exclusives….. but have plenty opinion on Playstation’s exclusives….
Sounds like passive agressive Phil Spencer himself

They are liars. Or dummies that fall for it. They can choose

Liars that pose to be honest neutral fans but they are obvious haters because its obvious to see every topic

 

[Kokoloko]

Agree that it gives Sony power owning a franchise and who make it but reality is -

Halo is now dead without Bungie.
MGS is now dead without Kojima.
Dark Souls is now dead without From.

Death Stranding would have suffered the same fate.

I agree, some are all dead without the creators.
Something like Halo can be salvaged like Resident Evil. It doesnt have that unique taste that the creator only could bring. But needs a damn good studio.

MGS and Dark souls… yeah that doesnt work without Kojima and Miyazaki. Neither would something like Death Stranding or Shadow of the Colossus.

At the same time you’ll have games like God of War, COD, Castlevania that just need a great studio and great director/writer to improve it over the creator.

I’d suggest let it die or keep it before the Villains uses it against you lol.

Things like Persona, Yakuza are being used against Sony in Marketing. As Xbox did with Tekken, DMC and Final Fantasy during the 360 era. All nothing without Playstation, and they helped Playstation rise up too.

Its short term thinking using IP’s to help you for your console and then letting them go. Imagine Sony did that with Insomniac and Spiderman, IPs and studio. Sony is letting too much go and changing too fast without thinking its very different to the brand they’ve build. And what the hardcore fanbase believes.

Its up to them at the end of the day. All can be judged by 2027-2030. Its all assumptions till from all of us and predictions.

- PS5 sold compared to PS4

- PS5 1st party/ Exclusives compared to PS4 on PSN & physical ( not including Steam sales because Steam takes 30%unlike PSN)

- Total Software sales, revenue and profits on PSN /Physical compared to PS4 ( including steam/pc sales

 

[Kokoloko]

I buy playstation for their first party game

The moment they start putting their game elsewhere im ready to walk away

I get that. But whats the realistic option.

Being a PC owner all my life before 2014. Im not going back lol. PC gaming isnt gonna be my primary place to play games and neither is a Asus made Xbox or Steammachine lol.

 

[Muddasar]

I agree, some are all dead without the creators.
Something like Halo can be salvaged like Resident Evil. It doesnt have that unique taste that the creator only could bring. But needs a damn good studio.

MGS and Dark souls… yeah that doesnt work without Kojima and Miyazaki. Neither would something like Death Stranding or Shadow of the Colossus.

At the same time you’ll have games like God of War, COD, Castlevania that just need a great studio and great director/writer to improve it over the creator.

I’d suggest let it die or keep it before the Villains uses it against you lol.

Things like Persona, Yakuza are being used against Sony in Marketing. As Xbox did with Tekken, DMC and Final Fantasy during the 360 era. All nothing without Playstation, and they helped Playstation rise up too.

Its short term thinking using IP’s to help you for your console and then letting them go. Imagine Sony did that with Insomniac and Spiderman, IPs and studio. Sony is letting too much go and changing too fast without thinking its very different to the brand they’ve build. And what the hardcore fanbase believes.

Its up to them at the end of the day. All can be judged by 2027-2030. Its all assumptions till from all of us and predictions.

- PS5 sold compared to PS4

- PS5 1st party/ Exclusives compared to PS4 on PSN & physical ( not including Steam sales because Steam takes 30%unlike PSN)

- Total Software sales, revenue and profits on PSN /Physical compared to PS4 ( including steam/pc sales

Sony shouldn’t have sold the Death Stranding IP. We can all agree with that even if useless without Kojima.

Honestly I am more baffled that Sony literally funded his studio, engine and game and for what?

What did Sony get?

Imagine if Kojima signs a deal with Microsoft to make Death Stranding 3? That would be a serious slap on Sony’s face.

It could happen. Death Stranding games aren’t cheap to develop.

 

[arvfab]

Agree that it gives Sony power owning a franchise and who make it but reality is -

Halo is now dead without Bungie.
MGS is now dead without Kojima.
Dark Souls is now dead without From.

Death Stranding would have suffered the same fate.

Now imagine 15 years from now, when KojiPro is no more and people ask for a remake/remaster/port on a modern platform.

If the IP belongs to a platform holder, chances might be higher for that wish to be fulfilled than if the IP owner isn't there anymore.

 

[SuperPotato]

Now nothing stops Kojima from making Death Stranding 3 exclusive to Gamepass lol

I mean, If he wants his studio to tank, let him.

COD Uk sales have proven that the franchise needs PS more than PS needs them, at least in the UK. But i won't be surprised, if it's the same in most other regions.

 

[Muddasar]

Now imagine 15 years from now, when KojiPro is no more and people ask for a remake/remaster/port on a modern platform.

If the IP belongs to a platform holder, chances might be higher for that wish to be fulfilled than if the IP owner isn't there anymore.

Chances are still slim.

Bloodborne being an example. You had the Demons Souls remake yet people complained it is not same art style.

I still think owning the IP regardless is better simply because you don’t want your rivals getting it.

Imagine if Kojima signs a deal with Microsoft for DS3.

 

[SuperPotato]

I get that. But whats the realistic option.

Being a PC owner all my life before 2014. Im not going back lol. PC gaming isnt gonna be my primary place to play games and neither is a Asus made Xbox or Steammachine lol.

It's all talk. People love to be dramatic but most will just stay on their prefered platform, unless said platform goes under.

People who say they buy Playstation for exclusives are most likely PC gamers who are already invested in the platform.

That's not the same as switching from scratch.

 

[arvfab]

Bloodborne being an example.

I fully expect Bloodborne Remake being a PS6 launch title.

People who say they buy Playstation for exclusives are most likely PC gamers who are already invested in the platform.

Yeah sure....

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Agree that it gives Sony power owning a franchise and who make it but reality is -

Halo is now dead without Bungie.
MGS is now dead without Kojima.
Dark Souls is now dead without From.

Death Stranding would have suffered the same fate.

So you're saying SIE couldn't work out terms favorable to Kojima while still retaining IP rights to Death Stranding? Doesn't sound like a platform holder in a position of strength TBH.

But let's suppose owning the IP is why, for example, there hasn't been a Bloodborne 2. Because From Software would want ownership of the IP back to do a sequel. What's stopping SIE from selling them that IP? SIE are so comfortable putting their games on other platforms right? Then sell Bloodborne to From Software/Kadokawa so we can see it on PC (Steam), so gamers can get a Bloodborne 2.

Let's take this thought to its logical conclusion. I'd love a new Parappa or UmJammer; can SIE just sell the rights to Nana On-Sha already? If it means I can get a new Parappa/UmJammer then why not? And it'd probably be a multiplat release too so more choices in where to play

 

[Muddasar]

So you're saying SIE couldn't work out terms favorable to Kojima while still retaining IP rights to Death Stranding? Doesn't sound like a platform holder in a position of strength TBH.

But let's suppose owning the IP is why, for example, there hasn't been a Bloodborne 2. Because From Software would want ownership of the IP back to do a sequel. What's stopping SIE from selling them that IP? SIE are so comfortable putting their games on other platforms right? Then sell Bloodborne to From Software/Kadokawa so we can see it on PC (Steam), so gamers can get a Bloodborne 2.

Let's take this thought to its logical conclusion. I'd love a new Parappa or UmJammer; can SIE just sell the rights to Nana On-Sha already? If it means I can get a new Parappa/UmJammer then why not? And it'd probably be a multiplat release too so more choices in where to play

You got all that from my post?

 

[BroodCorp]

Kojima had all the leverage going into the partnership. Absolutely great business on his part keeping the rights. He did not need Sony but they needed to bolster their first party offerings for PS5’s launch.

 

[Danja]

Kojima had all the leverage going into the partnership. Absolutely great business on his part keeping the rights. He did not need Sony but they needed to bolster their first party offerings for PS5’s launch.

Let's be real neither needed each other when that deal was signed lol. However he needed Sony more at the time. Sony however wanted him for the PR of bagging him.

In the grand scheme of themes the Death Stranding IP isn't worth all that much but it's still makes them look weak. He played in their faces yesterday launching their own game on a rival platform... When they launched a new console.

Clearly a coordinated effort between him and the green team.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

You got all that from my post?

Yes.

Clearly a coordinated effort between him and the green team.

More like a coordinated effort between these two that's just bearing more fruit :/

 

[Vertigo]

IPs are often nothing without their creators; see Halo or Star Wars.

There are a handful of outliers when reboots or passing of the torch works. Santa Monica God of War is one of those rare instances.

Very much disagree that a studio should or pubslisher be bought for IPs over talent. You want the studios and the culture they have as they brought you hits.

So I guess what Sony should do is just buy and make braindead marvel one size fits all trash. Yay

 

[Danja]

Yes.

More like a coordinated effort between these two that's just bearing more fruit :/

I don't put it past Yoshida since he hates PlayStation

 

[Old Gamer]

@thicc_girls_are_teh_best

 

[anonpuffs]

So what if the IP is useless (not true anyway) without Kojima? Then again, that’s a silly statement to begin with… especially considering a remake of mgs3 is one of the biggest releases of the next year.

Sony not buying Kojima Productions (and Konami to make Hideo a boss) was the mistake. Even if Kojima retires from a director position or the industry. You want the studio his genius and accomplishments helped foster and create and the next generation of talent.

The IPs…. Sounding like an Xbox exec

Kojima didn't want to be bought.