[Europe] PS5 leads the market with a 369% growth YOY, followed by Switch (down 18%) and then Xbox Series S and X (down 10%)

[Remember_Spinal]

I think they are pinning way too many expectation on starfield. For one, i think its going to 30 fps as hinted at by Todd Howard. I think that will blunt alot of positive momentum. Second, the starfield gameplay on June 11th is going to be compared to ff16, which is also having a live launch show the same day, probably with a demo. Third, if they decide to stick the September release date, its going head to head with spider man 2. Fourth, its also on pc so just by virtue of that its not going to be a huge system seller. Fifth, the series s will probably run terribly and that is the majority of series console sold so far.

That is ALOT to overcome for one game.

If i had to pick a once great dev to save my gaming platform i don’t think it would be Bethesda lol

I think people love bethesda games despite the level of jank and incompleteness. I don’t think a bethesda game with these level of expectations being placed on it is fair for what type of games the company tends to make.

 

[AshHunter216]

If i had to pick a once great dev to save my gaming platform i don’t think it would be Bethesda lol

I think people love bethesda games despite the level of jank and incompleteness. I don’t think a bethesda game with these level of expectations being placed on it is fair for what type of games the company tends to make.

Bethesda games have some charm to them, though I personally got bored with all the ones I've tried. I agree that expecting those games as exclusives to suddenly make Xbox top dog the way some want them to be is wishful thinking at best.

 

[Nhomnhom]

I think they are pinning way too many expectation on starfield. For one, i think its going to 30 fps as hinted at by Todd Howard. I think that will blunt alot of positive momentum. Second, the starfield gameplay on June 11th is going to be compared to ff16, which is also having a live launch show the same day, probably with a demo. Third, if they decide to stick the September release date, its going head to head with spider man 2. Fourth, its also on pc so just by virtue of that its not going to be a huge system seller. Fifth, the series s will probably run terribly and that is the majority of series console sold so far.

That is ALOT to overcome for one game.

Bethesda is due their reckoning. Let Xbots hype it as much as possible and lets see if Bethesda gets away with it this time.

I get Cyberpunk vibes from it, it's just weird how people talk about the game. What was actually shown so far was a sub 30FPS ancient looking Bethesda junk game with bellow average shooting mechanics and a completely disconnected system for exploration. Could it end up being great? Sure, but so far it has left a really bad impression and all these delays don't inspire confidence in the state of the game.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

also, I think the generation is just kind of lost at this point. Microsoft need to look to do what the PS3 did in it’s generation to a lesser extent which is build up the studios they have and make sure they start releasing good, quality games and building a name for themselves.

As of right now, no one cares about the Coalition, Undead, The Initative, Compulsion games, etc. and no one really cares about Hellblade, Perfect dark, Fable, Avowed, Everwild, etc. those aren’t system selling names, but they could be if they are high quality releases and their sequels could actually be real system sellers or whatever else those studios make next gen.

No one thought of Insomniac as system sellers, but put them on Spider-Man and now Wolverine and people are most definitely not missing out on those games. Same with Suckerpunch, Guerrilla, and even the God of War IP, which went from selling a cool 5m copies per entry to 20m+ and 11m in two months time.

The thing about Microsoft letting Sony get an early lead in just over 2 years is that with the gap its harder to catch back up. Everyone you lose to the ps5 will continue building their library and community there. Microsoft has been big on eco systems so they understand what it means to lose customers. You have a 20 million install base gap and those 20 million players all tell their friends and family to get ps5’s and it becomes this exponential number that just continues on indefinitely.

Outside of something like GTA exclusivity or something else monumental (pokemon) there is not gonna be a game that drives customers to buy an xbox this generation on name alone.

Well see, that would require commitment from Microsoft to stick with those franchises and help grow them sensibly over time, and have them push boundaries. Things that Microsoft haven't done a good job in demonstrating in the past.

Just look at how quick they jettisoned Perfect Dark to focus on Halo (and Gears). The marginal growth in innovation with Forza Horizon despite sticking with the IP for so long. The horrid deterioration of Halo. The stagnation of Gears. So on and so forth.

I think they are pinning way too many expectation on starfield. For one, i think its going to 30 fps as hinted at by Todd Howard. I think that will blunt alot of positive momentum. Second, the starfield gameplay on June 11th is going to be compared to ff16, which is also having a live launch show the same day, probably with a demo. Third, if they decide to stick the September release date, its going head to head with spider man 2. Fourth, its also on pc so just by virtue of that its not going to be a huge system seller. Fifth, the series s will probably run terribly and that is the majority of series console sold so far.

That is ALOT to overcome for one game.

Good points. Starfield is not the savior some people desperately want to make it seem. I still think the game will do well in terms of sales; I can still see it doing upwards 13 - 14 million lifetime with most of those being on PC. But that's ONLY if the game hits strongly at release, particularly on console. No 60 or even 40 FPS option for it on console is going to lower sales potential on Xbox, which will lower the lifetime sales I feel.

Then there are other things coming like the FF XVI event and Spiderman 2 releasing in September, and it feels like this could be Sony going for a kill shot on Xbox's hopes this generation. Because I said in the past that Starfield is going to signal one way or the other the trajectory of Xbox 1P going forward this gen. Even if it turns out to be a very polished game, if it's commercial success is muted, that won't do much for Xbox 1P going forward in terms of upwards trajectory in sales revenue.

But IMHO it would be a lot more graceful if it's a muted success commercially but a big success critically (not just with critics but, y'know, actual gamers), than the other way around, or being a failure in both metrics. Because those other two scenario would paint a dark cloud over Xbox 1P output for the rest of the generation that can't be easily cleared.

 

[Dabaus]

Well see, that would require commitment from Microsoft to stick with those franchises and help grow them sensibly over time, and have them push boundaries. Things that Microsoft haven't done a good job in demonstrating in the past.

Just look at how quick they jettisoned Perfect Dark to focus on Halo (and Gears). The marginal growth in innovation with Forza Horizon despite sticking with the IP for so long. The horrid deterioration of Halo. The stagnation of Gears. So on and so forth.



Good points. Starfield is not the savior some people desperately want to make it seem. I still think the game will do well in terms of sales; I can still see it doing upwards 13 - 14 million lifetime with most of those being on PC. But that's ONLY if the game hits strongly at release, particularly on console. No 60 or even 40 FPS option for it on console is going to lower sales potential on Xbox, which will lower the lifetime sales I feel.

Then there are other things coming like the FF XVI event and Spiderman 2 releasing in September, and it feels like this could be Sony going for a kill shot on Xbox's hopes this generation. Because I said in the past that Starfield is going to signal one way or the other the trajectory of Xbox 1P going forward this gen. Even if it turns out to be a very polished game, if it's commercial success is muted, that won't do much for Xbox 1P going forward in terms of upwards trajectory in sales revenue.

But IMHO it would be a lot more graceful if it's a muted success commercially but a big success critically (not just with critics but, y'know, actual gamers), than the other way around, or being a failure in both metrics. Because those other two scenario would paint a dark cloud over Xbox 1P output for the rest of the generation that can't be easily cleared.

I think the ff16 event being planned for the 11th of all days is deliberate. They couldve chosen a different day so all attention would be on ff16, but its not. Sony/square WANT starfield to be seen side to side with ff16. The demo is just icing on the cake that day.

Then there's spider man 2. Sony havent confirmed it yet, jsut whispers and rumors. But yes, i do think sony is thinking if they can diminish starfield then they do alot of damage to Microsoft's image as a first party publisher. Well i dont actually know the agenda behind it but it seems they are deliberately circling around starfield with heavy hitters on purpose.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Red fall about to give Xbox a surge in gamepass subscriptions and console sales, you'll see!

 

[Cool hand luke]

HAHA! The damage control and copium from Xbots is off the charts

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Gems!

i doubt any quarter this year will beat or be up on last year, as 2022 Xbox saw record quarters and some of the best ever revenue and hardware sales in it's history as a platform!, and with the stock shortages this year i don't see the revenue being up any quarter?, q4 might be interesting if it includes SF??

In response to FF7R never coming to Xbox

Never say never. The game would sell at least enough copies to cover the development costs. It’s always been when, not if.

(GOWR is in the top 10 on sales charts to this day)

I'm not sure how you would quantify how MS suffers from this worse than other console makers. GoWR had a pretty big launch but it seems it'd already been forgotten a few months after release.

(Series consoles are on a sub Xbox One trajectory.)

It’s games and marketing lads.

I’m one of them who think that Series will do PS3 and 360 trajectory.

And Starfield will be that mover

My favourite - ESO predates the Bethesda purchase and Sony is somehow scrambling when they own Destiny, bigger than these three combined

ESO/FORZA/SoT are great successes. Xbox is leading here. For all the hype they get the latest GoW and especially that Horizon Forbidden West game kinda came and went. Now Sony is scrambling to develop a bevy of live service games of its own.

 

[SLB1904]

If thr Activision deal doesn't go through Microsoft is selling xbox. Mark my words

 

[Gediminas]

Gems!

In response to FF7R never coming to Xbox

(GOWR is in the top 10 on sales charts to this day)

(Series consoles are on a sub Xbox One trajectory.)

My favourite - ESO predates the Bethesda purchase and Sony is somehow scrambling when they own Destiny, bigger than these three combined

Out of touch with reality

 

[Deleted member 417]

Bethesda is due their reckoning. Let Xbots hype it as much as possible and lets see if Bethesda gets away with it this time.

I get Cyberpunk vibes from it, it's just weird how people talk about the game. What was actually shown so far was a sub 30FPS ancient looking Bethesda junk game with bellow average shooting mechanics and a completely disconnected system for exploration. Could it end up being great? Sure, but so far it has left a really bad impression and all these delays don't inspire confidence in the state of the game.

I don't think the graphics or framerate will be the big hype-killer for starfield. It'll be when Bethesda confirm that there's only one class to choose from

 

[Nhomnhom]

If thr Activision deal doesn't go through Microsoft is selling xbox. Mark my words

I would just like to know what makes Nadella so confident that Phil Spencer isn't just going to run their game division into the ground. If he fires Phil and replace him with Bob it would at least make some sense.

I don't think the graphics or framerate will be the big hype-killer for starfield. It'll be when Bethesda confirm that there's only one class to choose from

The pewpewpew class.

 

[Remember_Spinal]

Will be interesting to see the fiscal reports next month

I’m guessing xbox s going to be 22-23m, and sony will be 38-40m

I can’t imagine there would be huge gamepass growth either with no big games still.

 

[Cool hand luke]

Will be interesting to see the fiscal reports next month

I’m guessing xbox s going to be 22-23m, and sony will be 38-40m

I can’t imagine there would be huge gamepass growth either with no big games still.

Wouldn't that Xbox number be 10% higher than most reasonable estimates? It's allegedly supply constrained in the USA and declining YOY in Europe.

Regardless, MS won't share numbers. Sub 20mil lifetime is in play, and with rapidly declining sales it could settle in around or just above the original Xbox at 24million. It's dead, Jim (Ryan).

 

[Eternal_Wings]

Fanboys of other platforms before: „Sony is doomed“

 

[SLB1904]

I would just like to know what makes Nadella so confident that Phil Spencer isn't just going to run their game division into the ground. If he fires Phil and replace him with Bob it would at least make some sense.

Fuck no. Keep Phil please

 

[Eternal_Wings]

What does @Bryank75 have to say about Jim Ryan now?

Jimbo will likely resign, because he put all his effort in trying to block this merger. When the deal gets approved he will view it as a personal defeat and retreat. Now the way will be all free for Urata Keiichiro. A new era is about to begin.


I appreciate a change to a Japanese CEO for PlayStation division.

 

[On Demand]

“God of War came and went.”

What metric are these green rats using to define somethings like this? Forum discussions? I see them keep saying this like it’s a fact or something. They say it all the time about Sony first party single player games.

Just because Horizon and GoW are not being talked about on social media as much as when the games released does not in no way mean they ‘came and went.” That’s normal. The games are still selling. People are still playing them. Games don’t need constant updates and being talked about online to be considered relevant and successful. How did people like them survive the PS1 to PS3 generation before Twitter and YouTube?


Using their logic Hi Fi Lo quality Rush doesn’t exist. The difference is that game really did flop though. lol.

 

[Darth Vader]

Jimbo will likely resign, because he put all his effort in trying to block this merger. When the deal gets approved he will view it as a personal defeat and retreat. Now the way will be all free for Urata Keiichiro. A new era is about to begin.
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I appreciate a change to a Japanese CEO for PlayStation division.

Keep dreaming. He'll stay

 

[SLB1904]

“God of War came and went.”

What metric are these green rats using to define somethings like this? Forum discussions? I see them keep saying this like it’s a fact or something. They say it all the time about Sony first party single player games.

Just because Horizon and GoW are not being talked about on social media as much as when the games released does not in no way mean they ‘came and went.” That’s normal. The games are still selling. People are still playing them. Games don’t need constant updates and being talked about online to be considered relevant and successful. How did people like them survive the PS1 to PS3 generation before Twitter and YouTube?


Using their logic Hi Fi Lo quality Rush doesn’t exist. The difference is that game really did flop though. lol.

It's a forced narrative. Just ignore lol
Gow is literally charting since release
Already sold over 10mil. Something they wish their games were selling

 

[Gediminas]

“God of War came and went.”

What metric are these green rats using to define somethings like this? Forum discussions? I see them keep saying this like it’s a fact or something. They say it all the time about Sony first party single player games.

Just because Horizon and GoW are not being talked about on social media as much as when the games released does not in no way mean they ‘came and went.” That’s normal. The games are still selling. People are still playing them. Games don’t need constant updates and being talked about online to be considered relevant and successful. How did people like them survive the PS1 to PS3 generation before Twitter and YouTube?


Using their logic Hi Fi Lo quality Rush doesn’t exist. The difference is that game really did flop though. lol.

came and went, yet still charting in multiple regions in top 10. doesn't look like at all it is came and went. wtf? these dumbasses contradicting themself.