How is Emulation supposed to be "Game Preservation"?

[flaccidsnake]

They are mostly lying. People want to steal.

how can you steal something that is infinitely abundant?

 

[Darth Vader]

and yeah I will always support actually buying the game, but when God Hand is no longer avaliable for years now and there is no real way to play it legally, I will illegally download the files and play it on my pc/burn a disc and play it on my hacked ps2.

SONY PS2 Playstation2 God Hand Japanese Edition Action Good GP | eBay

This item is the Japanese version. Operation check OK. Condition: Good.

www.ebay.com

There, you can acquire play the game legally. It's a japanese version, but since you have a Hacked PS2, it should play games from all regions. No need to pirate the game.

 

[balrogboy]

SONY PS2 Playstation2 God Hand Japanese Edition Action Good GP | eBay

This item is the Japanese version. Operation check OK. Condition: Good.

www.ebay.com

There, you can acquire play the game legally. It's a japanese version, but since you have a Hacked PS2, it should play games from all regions. No need to pirate the game.

ok now do the same for every game ever made, at acessible prices, and explain to me how buying a used copy that neither dev nor publisher makes money on is ethically and morally different than borrowing the files from my virtual friend "classic_Games.org_trusteduploader"

 

[balrogboy]

I will ALWAYS rather buy the game than pirate it. but that does not apply to Chester from Ohio selling his copy of Rule of Rose for 300$.

 

[Darth Vader]

ok now do the same for every game ever made, at acessible prices, and explain to me how buying a used copy that neither dev nor publisher makes money on is ethically and morally different than borrowing the files from my virtual friend "classic_Games.org_trusteduploader"

You said there's no real way to play it legally, I gave you one. Why move the goalpost?

Now onto your logic:

"Explain to me how buying a second hand TV that neither store or manufacturer makes money on is ethically and morally different from stealing it".

"Borrowing from a friend" is code for pirating it, stop fucking around.

 

[balrogboy]

You said there's no real way to play it legally, I gave you one. Why move the goalpost?

Ok, then let me rephrase it. There is no legal way to aquire it directly from the publisher or developer.
If you need an example: There is no way to buy the original Ace Combat directly from Bandai Namco. I do actually have an original copy of this game that I got used, but when I did buy it, neither Bandai or the people that worked in making the game get any compensation from it. The guy who sold me, did.
But I did play the game before through emulation, and neither Bandai or the people that worked in making the game get any compensation from it.

"Explain to me how buying a second hand TV that neither store or manufacturer makes money on is ethically and morally different from stealing it".

The guy who would eventually sell me my copy did not get compensation from me playing the game through emulation. but he he still had his copy, no one was wrong'd, there was no victim.
My brother in heaven, if I could just copy a television without actually taking another television from someone I absolutelly would.

"Borrowing from a friend" is code for pirating it, stop fucking around.

I'm not fucking around, this is my exact point. if the product isn't on sale at all, who are you stealing from. I am not condoning piracy from piracy sake. If a game is on sale on steam, playstation, xbox, whatever store you may come up with, and you pirate it, you're just an asshole and I do not and will not ever support that.
But thats not what we are talking about. If Namco had the games avaliable for purchase I would absolutelly get it directly from them.
We're talking about shit that isnt avaliable though "official channels" or whatever you might call it.

 

[Darth Vader]

There is no legal way to aquire it directly from the publisher or developer.

I can't buy a fiat Uno from fiat anymore. Maybe I'll just steal a random one from the street.

The guy who sold me, did.
But I did play the game before through emulation, and neither Bandai or the people that worked in making the game get any compensation from it.

Same as the guy that sold me the fiat Uno. And you playing a legitimate copy of the game via emulation is not a problem.

The guy who would eventually sell me my copy did not get compensation from me playing the game through emulation. but he he still had his copy, no one was wrong'd, there was no victim.

If you buy it from him he gets paid. If you don't buy it from him or someone else, you're stealing. It's a very simple concept. And yes, there was no victim, but that doesn't mean it's not piracy

My brother in heaven, if I could just copy a television without actually taking another television from someone I absolutelly would.

So basically you'd steal if you could, gotcha.

I'm not fucking around, this is my exact point. if the product isn't on sale at all, who are you stealing from.

I showed you a link of your example product for sale. Replace the gods hand with fiat Uno, same shit.

We're talking about shit that isnt avaliable though "official channels" or whatever you might call it.

The fiat Uno is also not available through official channels, so stealing one is fair game. Got it.

And just so we're in the clear, I'm all for preserving games that cannot be obtained in any other way, but you basically just came up with a long rant which can be resumed to "I don't want to buy a second hand product that I can't buy new, so stealing a copy is fair game".

Your argument holds no water, so just say something like "even though the game is available and I can get a legitimate copy from a private vendor, I'd rather just download it elsewhere to save cash". It will make you seem more honest, and you don't have to justify yourself.

 

[balrogboy]

Your argument holds no water, so just say something like "even though the game is available and I can get a legitimate copy from a private vendor, I'd rather just download it elsewhere to save cash". It will make you seem more honest, and you don't have to justify yourself.

and by your argument, me hitting ctrl+c and ctrl+v is the same as stealing, did I steal your opinions in order to reply to them?

If you buy it from him he gets paid. If you don't buy it from him or someone else, you're stealing. It's a very simple concept. And yes, there was no victim, but that doesn't mean it's not piracy

Brother I never said its not piracy. What I said is that by downloading an Illegal copy of something that is not legally even avaliable, since there is no physical good being removed from anyone, its not the same as stealing something from someone.

At this point you're just plain ignoring my arguments, which tells me you are just virtue signaling and have no real interest in actual discourse.
I have no intention of continuing this conversation


And the fiat Uno is a fantastic car, which is still produced, mind you, and I will definitelly be buying one in the future. Even if it is used. But if I could download a car, I absolutelly would. (which actually brings up an interesting conversation, specially with 3D printing technology evolving more and more, will we ever be able to actually download a car?)

 

[xollowsob]

I can't buy a fiat Uno from fiat anymore. Maybe I'll just steal a random one from the street

Mate, you've lost the argument. Coming up with shit like this is waving the white flag.
Pack it up, you've lost.

 

[voke]

how can you steal something that is infinitely abundant?

I'm all for pirating if you so please, just not gonna lie and act like most of this emulation shit isnt piracy.

 

[flaccidsnake]

I'm all for pirating if you so please, just not gonna lie and act like most of this emulation shit isnt piracy.

You're not gonna lie, you're also not going to think very hard to understand the issue.

"Piracy" is a propaganda term promoted by publishers and the FBI to provoke a moral false equivalency. The legal issue is copyright infringement.

Emulation has nothing to do with copyright infringement. Emulation is about modelling computer hardware with software.

Copyright infringing rom dumps of videogames can played on emulators. They can also be played on actual official hardware. The emulator is not enabling criminal activity any more than the official hardware is.

 

[Box]

does not change the fact that you cant play ANY of the mainline pokemon games on the switch (other than the ones that are exclusives to switch)
Nintendo does absolutelly jackshit about game preservation, having the files and cartridges lost in some warehouse where no one can access them is NOT game preservation.

Thats not an excuse to pirate it, you had every chance to buy those games over the years. The 3ds and wii stores both only closed recently

 

[Dr Bass]

how can you steal something that is infinitely abundant?

When you buy a game you do not own the game. Doesn't matter if you buy physical or an "infinitely abundant" digital copy.

What you purchase is a license to play the game.

Licenses are not infinitely abundant and are effectively created when you pay for said license.

No matter how you slice it, you're supporting piracy while trying to veil yourself under some paper-thin moral stance with about as much intellectual depth as a wading pool.

And I will restate this. I have zero problem with emulators or using them to actually "preserve" old games like arcade games that likely don't even exist anymore, and things of that nature. No problem.

But you continue to hide behind the shield of preservation to try and justify the illegal and immoral behavior of stealing. And you're openly advocating for the practice.

 

[flaccidsnake]

When you buy a game you do not own the game. Doesn't matter if you buy physical or an "infinitely abundant" digital copy.

What you purchase is a license to play the game.

Licenses are not infinitely abundant and are effectively created when you pay for said license.

No matter how you slice it, you're supporting piracy while trying to veil yourself under some paper-thin moral stance with about as much intellectual depth as a wading pool.

And I will restate this. I have zero problem with emulators or using them to actually "preserve" old games like arcade games that likely don't even exist anymore, and things of that nature. No problem.

But you continue to hide behind the shield of preservation to try and justify the illegal and immoral behavior of stealing. And you're openly advocating for the practice.

breaking the terms of a user license is not stealing. i'm not "supporting piracy" and i don't need a moral stance to defend myself.

 

[Darth Vader]

Mate, you've lost the argument. Coming up with shit like this is waving the white flag.
Pack it up, you've lost.

I'm sure you'd think so when understanding logic is not your strong suit.

 

[Darth Vader]

Brother I never said its not piracy. What I said is that by downloading an Illegal copy of something that is not legally even avaliable, since there is no physical good being removed from anyone, its not the same as stealing something from someone.

I showed you a method of legally purchasing that something, and you moved the goalpost. Most games sold in physical format can be bough, all the way back to the Atari years. If your argument is for a game that was only sold digitally and is not sold anymore, then that's fair. But that was NOT your argument.

 

[xollowsob]

I'm sure you'd think so when understanding logic is not your strong suit.

Sick burn, you must be great at parties.

Where's the logic in your post? Equating stealing a car and copying code, when they're completely different. One is copying code, one is stealing a car.

 

[xollowsob]

I showed you a method of legally purchasing that something, and you moved the goalpost. Most games sold in physical format can be bough, all the way back to the Atari years. If your argument is for a game that was only sold digitally and is not sold anymore, then that's fair. But that was NOT your argument.

Imagine going to these lengths to defend companies that lie to your face so that you'll hand over hard earned money to buy their slop.

 

[voke]

When you buy a game you do not own the game. Doesn't matter if you buy physical or an "infinitely abundant" digital copy.

What you purchase is a license to play the game.

Licenses are not infinitely abundant and are effectively created when you pay for said license.

No matter how you slice it, you're supporting piracy while trying to veil yourself under some paper-thin moral stance with about as much intellectual depth as a wading pool.

And I will restate this. I have zero problem with emulators or using them to actually "preserve" old games like arcade games that likely don't even exist anymore, and things of that nature. No problem.

But you continue to hide behind the shield of preservation to try and justify the illegal and immoral behavior of stealing. And you're openly advocating for the practice.

Exactly

 

[Box]

Imagine going to these lengths to defend companies that lie to your face so that you'll hand over hard earned money to buy their slop.

Imagine going to great lengths to justify piracy