I feel like Gamepass evangelization has lowered since PS+ Was revamped

[Swift_Star]

It was always funny to see the "blue rats" doing mental gymnastic to discredit Game Pass.

The reality was....They were just jelly.

This is not about jealousy though, it’s about the discourse around ms fans suddenly changing because there’s nothing so special about that ecosystem anymore.

 

[Sircaw]

Now I’m going to talk about forums here.
It’s barely been a month but I don’t see near the same amount of people talking about on gamepass on era or other places since plus was revamped. Am I missing something here? Or it’s that the only real difereiation Microsoft’s ecosystem had is now gone?

Do you remember Riky on Gaf and VRR, he was pushing that every day, Sony releases their VRR, Riky is no where to be seen.

 

[Swift_Star]

Do you remember Riky on Gaf and VRR, he was pushing that every day, Sony releases their VRR, Riky is no where to be seen.

He disappeared, really bizarre.

 

[FIREK2029]

I noticed that too.

It’s partly MS’ fault too. The main issue is that the main differentiating factor between GP and PS Plus was supposed to be the AAA first party games on day one. MS isn’t delivering on that so Sony is capitalizing huge on that.

All it took for Sony to nullify the advantage GP had was rebranding and a better pricing strategy. That speaks volumes especially when you consider they practically did this in a month. Microsoft spent 5 years developing and building GP and Sony has seemingly steamrolled it in a month. It’s nuts when you think about it and just shows how much work MS still had to do to become relevant in the gaming space. The mindshare between Playstation and Xbox isn’t even remotely close. Once this chip shortage subsides Sony is practically gonna leave MS in the dust.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The "best deal in gaming" killed the "best deal in gaming."

 

[ksdixon]

It totally is. You can see the same behavior of the 'green rats' being replicated by the 'blue rats'. Is fascinating, a truly lab experiment.


Do you consider yourself as a "blue rat"?

Do people really care for streaming current gen games in order to try them out? i.e. GP vs PS+.

Honestly I don't give a rat's ass, green or blue, about GP/PSNow streaming, without the BC aspect of either service being taken into account.

 

[laynelane]

I really don't think this was it. What matters is game quality. I don't want garbage for 15 a month. But I also don't want garbage for 70 a title. I just want good games. The fact that MS has been trumpeting "dollar value" over game quality (and quantity in some ways, where is the first party stuff still?) is still a big problem.

And I HAVE Game Pass Ultimate, until 2025. I am not jealous. It's just not a service that is doing what I want. I am more than happy to buy games full price, again, if it's what I want.

That's what worried me. I don't even use sub services with the exception of picking up PS+ when I want to coop with friends and I buy physical games wherever possible. I love games and have played many great ones and the idea of "quantity over quality" is anathema to me. There's been so many things over the years that have had an adverse effect on gaming, that started out small and then grew to have a big and negative impact.

 

[SLB1904]

Pss folders is where is at

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Everyone knows it's the best deal in gaming, so there's not much to talk about.

 

[Gediminas]

Everyone knows it's the best deal in gaming, so there's not much to talk about.

That's why not many people talks about ps+ extra or premium

 

[BigMclargeHuge]

I'm not big on subscriptions in general. My ps+ sub lapsed a while ago and I haven't bothered to re up it.

 

[Warnen]

I dunno seems great to me. Ninja Turtles is awesome. Just downloaded Powerwash sim and Peppa Pig game (for the kids).

 

[Kokoloko]

Yeah, I see gamepass talks alot less now. And barely any “best deal in gaming“

The day 1 games don’t compare to Demon Souls, Returnal, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima, Final Fantasy 7R etc especially this year

 

[rofif]

I didn’t even cared for gp. I actually think it coming to ps extra will be a problem to physical games. I would rather it not existed.
But I got 1 month of extra to check and it’s indeed good. Games are so much better than gamepass. And there is so many!!!

Vrr is great too but still, It was too loud of a feature touted by Xbox fans. I still play games at 30 40 or 60 fps. It did helped with Elden ring mo tvs after I finished it….

 

[Swift_Star]

Everyone knows it's the best deal in gaming, so there's not much to talk about.

Yes, PS+ is. Poor gamepass. Outclassed in a single month.

 

[Bodycount611]

You really have to wonder what happened to gamepass this year, the service is a disaster. no big 3rd party games at all, and with MS themselves releasing nothing all year, the value proposition of gamepass is extremely low right now.

what happened to big day and date 3rd party games like outriders? remember how gamepass evangelists tried to tell us that it did well for People Can Fly?

if it did so well why has every 3rd party avoided Gamepass like the plague since?

gamepass is bad for devs and shortchanges them in favour of profits for microsoft. Gamepass is a failed model completely in my eyes moving forward until i see more high profile games enter the service.

Even ubisoft completely gave gamepass the cold shoulder. they signed with PS+ instead, lol.

 

[Warnen]

 

[Yurinka]

I didn’t even cared for gp. I actually think it coming to ps extra will be a problem to physical games. I would rather it not existed.
But I got 1 month of extra to check and it’s indeed good. Games are so much better than gamepass. And there is so many!!!

Vrr is great too but still, It was too loud of a feature touted by Xbox fans. I still play games at 30 40 or 60 fps. It did helped with Elden ring mo tvs after I finished it….

In the case of PS physical game sales have been declining for years in favor of digital sales in a steady way which I assume will continue. Physical sales now are a 20% and pretty likely the pattern would have continued without PS+, in the same way GP didn't affected it.

We also have to put things in context: GP subs are under a quarter of the PS active users. PS+Essential subs under half of the PS active users and pretty likely Extra and Premium subs will be way under that half and maybe way under a quarter of PS active users. So the impact shouldn't be so high. Plus subs of GP/Extra/Premium are the ones interested/with time to play a ton of games (way above the average) and that spend in gamings way more than the average (between a game and two per year in XB or slightly above two games per year in PS), so even if this small portion of users reduce the amount of games they buy per year they will continue spending more in gaming than the average and buying more games per year than the average player.

Regarding VRR in console/tvs, it's like the PC high end features: 99% of the players won't use them because their hardware doesn't support (in the case of PS because most users don't have a PS5 or a TV with VRR support) so even if a few hardcore users use that stuff as ammunition in fanboy wars the huge majority of users don't care about things like VRR and in fact don't even know what they are or that they exist (and I say that from my gaming laptop that features gSync).

 

[Heisenberg007]

You really have to wonder what happened to gamepass this year, the service is a disaster. no big 3rd party games at all, and with MS themselves releasing nothing all year, the value proposition of gamepass is extremely low right now.

what happened to big day and date 3rd party games like outriders? remember how gamepass evangelists tried to tell us that it did well for People Can Fly?

if it did so well why has every 3rd party avoided Gamepass like the plague since?

gamepass is bad for devs and shortchanges them in favour of profits for microsoft. Gamepass is a failed model completely in my eyes moving forward until i see more high profile games enter the service.

Even ubisoft completely gave gamepass the cold shoulder. they signed with PS+ instead, lol.

The problem is that GP hasn't grown by as much -- that means Xbox can only subsidize it for so long.

Because it does not generate as much revenue, Xbox cannot spend too much money to get actual big AAAs at launch: Elden Ring, Callisto Protocol, Hogwart's Legacy, Avatar, etc.

Next, you will see Xbox plugging the $1 price loopholes and cutting down on those ridiculous discount offers. Then comes the inevitable price hike.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

The problem is that GP hasn't grown by as much -- that means Xbox can only subsidize it for so long.

Because it does not generate as much revenue, Xbox cannot spend too much money to get actual big AAAs at launch: Elden Ring, Callisto Protocol, Hogwart's Legacy, Avatar, etc.

Next, you will see Xbox plugging the $1 price loopholes and cutting down on those ridiculous discount offers. Then comes the inevitable price hike.

It would be stupid from Microsoft to spend potentially hundreds of millions of dollars on 3rd party games like that. That's why they've been buying the biggest publishers in the industry. The plan is to have the big AAA games all come from 1st party, and then to add some smaller day one 3rd party games like they've been doing for the past two or so years.