In their debut week, Hi-Fi Rush reportedly outperformed Forspoken on Steam

[adamsapple]

Absolute numbers again, this time for DIFFERENT WEBSITES. Damn, you're really a dishonest fuck.

Didja miss that this talk came from the COMPLETION PERCENTAGES and how thicc was saying people in the Xbox eco system don't play/complete the games.

psnprofiles doesn't show all PSN accounts, so the absolute 2600 number is bullshit

True Achievements doesn't show all XBL or PC game pass accounts. The 3600 number is much lower as well. I made it very clear in my first post that these are observable/trackable data.

Don't catch fee-fees over the available hard data man.

You're trying really hard to bat for a game that you supposedly don't care about.

 

[ethomaz]

Hey man, the time it took you to find all that, you could have just read my post above yours to save you the hassle of needing to write that lol.

I acknowledge that Forspoken may have a longer completion time owing to its nature.

But the # of people who have unlocked the prologue trophy is also much lower than the # of people who have beaten all of HF Rush to its completion.

And again, I'm not counting nebulous percentages, I'm counting the hard number of people written on the websites which have unlocked the cheev/trophies.

~2600 tracked people beat Forspoken's first chapter
~3700 tracked people beat Hi-Fi Rush's final boss

And remember, only one of these games had a lengthy pre-order period.

Surely you're not gonna tell me that the prologue in Forspoken takes longer than 10~12 hours now

Neither of these sites you listed tracks overall completion of these trophies.
They tracks only for these that registered or checked it start at least once on these sites.

 

[adamsapple]

Neither of these sites you listed tracks overall completion of these trophies.
They tracks only for these that registered or checked it start at least once on these sites.

Yes. I literally said that in my first post when I used both those websites.

2. For a purely academic research, lets compare between 2 popular trophy/achievement tracking sites. Trueachievements for Xbox and PSN Profiles for PS5 (I am registered on both, just a tangent)
3785 people have gotten the achievement for beating the final boss.
522 people have gotten the trophy for finishing the final chapter in Forspoken (it is not tied to difficulty from what I can find)
Note: The above results do not reflect the total PSN/XBL stats in the world, but they are a good sample as these 2 are the biggest known tracking sites for either platform.

 

[ethomaz]

Yes. I literally said that in my first post when I used both those websites.

Ok.

Do you understand TrueAchievements has over 1 million users tracked and PSNTrophies has only 481k users tracked?

I have no ideia what type of comparison are you trying to do.
No it is not a good sample... they are not even comparable.

 

[adamsapple]

Ok.

Do you understand TrueAchievements has over 1 million users tracked and PSNTrophies has only 481k users tracked?

I have no ideia what type of comparison are you trying to do.

Yes, I also understand these are both websites only enthusiasts type gamers use to show their trophies and achievements to others.

And neither game is broaching anywhere close to the total number of users tracked.

It is the only academic data from available sources we can track of its kind.

 

[Darth Vader]

Didja miss that this talk came from the COMPLETION PERCENTAGES and how thicc was saying people in the Xbox eco system don't play/complete the games.




True Achievements doesn't show all XBL or PC game pass accounts. The 3600 number is much lower as well. I made it very clear in my first post that these are observable/trackable data.

Don't catch fee-fees over the available hard data man.

You're trying really hard to bat for a game that you supposedly don't care about.

I care about data and truth. You need to deal with it and stop spinning facts with your opinions, which are things I don't really care about

 

[Darth Vader]

Yes, I also understand these are both websites only enthusiasts type gamers use to show their trophies and achievements to others.

And neither game is broaching anywhere close to the total number of users tracked.

It is the only academic data from available sources we can track of its kind.

You can track percentages with a small percentage pool. A diverse enough sample size (over 1k) is enough for an estimate that covers millions. But you don't use the sample size as a means to prove an absolute number.

The facts are, out of the sample pool, 4% of people platinumed Forspoken and 98% beat the first chapter.

 

[ethomaz]

Yes, I also understand these are both websites only enthusiasts type gamers use to show their trophies and achievements to others.

And neither game is broaching anywhere close to the total number of users tracked.

It is the only academic data from available sources we can track of its kind.

You are not doing academic in any way.

You are taking a different sample size (1m vs 481m) and extrapolating conclusions without know what it is.
If you were at least a bit fair you should...

2600 users got the trophies in a 481k samples... aka 0.5%
3700 users got the achievement in a over 1 million samples... aka 0.37%

You own data shows Forspoken completion is better than Hi-Fi Rush in these samples... that is the complete opposite of what you wrote.

BTW you are working with so low % data... below 1% that I'm not even sure why you are trying to push that side.

 

[adamsapple]

I care about data and truth. You need to deal with it and stop spinning facts with your opinions, which are things I don't really care about

doubt. jpg

You're using selective data just as much as accusing me of doing it.

For example, you used Steam's achievement data to say only 4% of people beat the game on normal, despite me already saying before that you get a different achievement depending on difficulty. The more accurate way for tracking it would be the achievement you get for beating the final boss, after which the game ends and there isn't really a 20 hour epilogue.

The tracking data for that on Steam shows 9.2%.

You're skewing data to show less than half of what the actual count is.

So, please feel free to put a pause on the moral posturing to others and look within first.

You are not doing academic in any way.

You are taking a different sample size (1m vs 481m) and extrapolating conclusions without what it is.
If you were at least a bit fair you should...

2600 users got the trophies in a 481k samples... aka 0.5%
3700 users got the achievement in a over 1 million samples... aka 0.37%

You own data shows Forspoken completion is better than Hi-Fi Rush that is the complete opposite of what you wrote.

1. That's not how it works. I'm not assuming on either platform that all the tracker members will be viable players/purchasers for either game, nothing has a 100% engagement ratio on any platform ever.

2. The 2600 tracking data is for the *FIRST* chapter of the game, not completion. Completion is like 500 people or something thereabout.

So it's still significantly lower.

 

[ethomaz]

You can track percentages with a small percentage pool. A diverse enough sample size (over 1k) is enough for an estimate that covers millions. But you don't use the sample size as a means to prove an absolute number.

The facts are, out of the sample pool, 4% of people platinumed Forspoken and 98% beat the first chapter.

His comparison has different sample sizes... TA tracks more than double the users than PSNProfiles.

 

[Swift_Star]

A $30 AA game outselling a $70 AAA game in terms of revenue

When spider man 2 destroys Starfield, what will be your excuse?

 

[ethomaz]

1. That's not how it works. I'm not assuming on either platform that all the tracker members will be viable players/purchasers for either game, nothing has a 100% engagement ratio on any platform ever.

2. The 2600 tracking data is for the *FIRST* chapter of the game, not completion. Completion is like 500 people or something thereabout.

So it's still significantly lower.

You used these two numbers... not me.

How many hours takes the first chapter? How many hours takes to finish the game?

The comparison is dumb but you keep doing it.

 

[adamsapple]

When spider man 2 destroys Starfield, what will be your excuse?

"destroys"

You used these two numbers... not me.

Who many hours takes the first chapter? How many hours takes to finish the game?

The comparison is dumb but you keep doing it.

It takes roughly 14~ hours to finish the main story as per how long to beat (20 hours if you're doing every side activity) and 55~ minutes to beat chapter 1.

The comparison is for available info, it's not dumb just because you don't like the results.

 

[Swift_Star]

So it'll be dead very soon then. Which seems to be reinforced by the Xbox most played charts.

I’ve been saying Hi-fi rush will be forgotten in two weeks and, what do you know, people are barely talking about it anymore

 

[Swift_Star]

"destroys"

You think Starfield will be bigger than spider man? For real? talk about delusion

 

[adamsapple]

You think Starfield will be bigger than spider man? For real? talk about delusion

I don't think either game will "destroy" the other. And yes, do tell about delusions.

I’ve been saying Hi-fi rush will be forgotten in two weeks and, what do you know, people are barely talking about it anymore

The way people here keep posting tweets from randos, seems the exact opposite

 

[Swift_Star]

Starfield won’t be bigger than spider man, the last of us, Mario, zelda or even Skyrim, wake up.

I don't think either game will "destroy" the other. And yes, do tell about delusions.




The way people here keep posting tweets from randos, seems the exact opposite

nobody really cares about this game besides a few deranged Xbox fanboys

 

[Darth Vader]

You're using selective data just as much as accusing me of doing it.

For example, you used Steam's achievement data to say only 4% of people beat the game on normal, despite me already saying before that you get a different achievement depending on difficulty. The more accurate way for tracking it would be the achievement you get for beating the final boss, after which the game ends and there isn't really a 20 hour epilogue.

The tracking data for that on Steam shows 9.2%.

You're skewing data to show less than half of what the actual count is.

So, please feel free to put a pause on the moral posturing to others and look within first.

There's literally a trophy for completing the game on normal. It's not the list you shared.

doubt. jpg

You're using selective data just as much as accusing me of doing it.

For example, you used Steam's achievement data to say only 4% of people beat the game on normal, despite me already saying before that you get a different achievement depending on difficulty. The more accurate way for tracking it would be the achievement you get for beating the final boss, after which the game ends and there isn't really a 20 hour epilogue.

The tracking data for that on Steam shows 9.2%.

You're skewing data to show less than half of what the actual count is.

So, please feel free to put a pause on the moral posturing to others and look within first.


1. That's not how it works. I'm not assuming on either platform that all the tracker members will be viable players/purchasers for either game, nothing has a 100% engagement ratio on any platform ever.

2. The 2600 tracking data is for the *FIRST* chapter of the game, not completion. Completion is like 500 people or something thereabout.

So it's still significantly lower.

The link you shared shows completion on normal as I stated. It also shows for hard. Why are you trying to spin this? You cornered yourself, both on cherry picking and not knowing how statistics work. So just take the L and move on.

Forgot, you also don't know how data is exposed to those websites. Incredible scenes.

 

[adamsapple]

Starfield won’t be bigger than spider man, the last of us, Mario, zelda or even Skyrim, wake up.

nobody really cares about this game besides a few deranged Xbox fanboys

bodycount, godsandmonsters, kiryurealty and gediminas are probably gonna have an aneurysm at being called deranged xbox fanboys

There's literally a trophy for completing the game on normal. It's not the list you shared.

The link you shared shows completion on normal as I stated. It also shows for hard. Why are you trying to spin this? You cornered yourself, both on cherry picking and not knowing how statistics work. So just take the L and move on.

Forgot, you also don't know how data is exposed to those websites. Incredible scenes.

My dude it seems like you're being obtuse on purpose.

The game has more difficulties than normal and hard, the game gives you a separate trophy after the credits for beating the game on one of the difficulties, the trophy you get for beating the final boss is the same across all of them, you only get the trophy for beating the final boss once, so it's not the conspiracy you pushed before that it must be the same people beating the game on normal and then on hard. The total completion % is spread across at least 6 difficulty trophies.

By comparison, Forspoken does *not* have trophies tied to difficulty, hence I can use its single final chapter tracking without hesitation.

That L belongs firmly in your pocket, it completes the look.

 

[Nym]

I’ve been saying Hi-fi rush will be forgotten in two weeks and, what do you know, people are barely talking about it anymore

Wow better get a lottery ticket you are on fire. Nobody talks about Rollerdrome anymore either does that mean it was bad