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[Yurinka]

Helldivers and Destiny. It doesn't count.

Look at what's happening to Xbox. This is Sony in a few years.

They are Sony games available on PC, so of course they count.

Btw, Destiny 2 wasn't acquired this recent FY23, it was acquired the previous FY22.

Xbox always had a very different strategy and content than Sony, so their results are very different. PlayStation has way more great exclusive games and don't put all of them day one on PC and the game sub. As a result, PS is growing and breaking all time records for any console in gaming history. And Xbox keeps losing market share to the point it is dying.

We will have the earnings next week and the briefing the next one.
I doubt PC revenue reached half million dollar.

The next FY that started in April should be better.

For FY22 SIE forecasted to make $300M and did 250M from 1st party PC game revenue, pretty likely because TLOU and Returnal were delayed to the very end of that FY.

For FY23 SIE forecasted to make $450M from 1st party PC game revenue, and that was with them underestimating the success that Helldivers 2 was going to have. So very likely will be over half a billion.

But yes, next week pretty likely we'll get an updated number with Sony bragging about their big success with GaaS and PC.

Regarding FY24 I agree that their PC will continue growing, specially because in addition to Helldivers 2 post launch window, I assume Destiny 2 The Final Shape will sell better than last year's update plus we'll have releases like Concord and who knows if even some other GaaS (I think they'll keep them for other FYs) as could be Marathon, Fairgame$, Horizon Online, etc. (in addition to more ports of old games getting discounted or released).

 

[Systemshock2023]

Come to think of it this might be what was behind Sony's game selection for PC. All games ported until now had no online elements so they were never going to have any issues. Starting with Helldivers 2 they now need to take PSN integration into account.

If that's the case they should port shadow of the colossus, last guardian and infamous second son

No way games like GT7 are ported for example. Seeing how reliant they are in online and content updates.

 

[ethomaz]

Come to think of it this might be what was behind Sony's game selection for PC. All games ported until now had no online elements so they were never going to have any issues. Starting with Helldivers 2 they now need to take PSN integration into account.

If that's the case they should port shadow of the colossus, last guardian and infamous second son

No way games like GT7 are ported for example. Seeing how reliant they are in online and content updates.

They continue putting their games there...
It just now it only be sold to the supported PSN countries.
That is the change that happened on the weekend.

BEFORE: Sells the game to all Steam countries and Users in non-supported countries have the choice to create a PS Account in another region.
NOW: Sells only the game to selected Steam countries... no option to Users in non-supported countries.

The PC "democratic" win.

 

[Would_you_kindly]

What's he mean 'let's goooooo' & why is no one talking about valve operating illegally in countries

 

[ethomaz]

What's he mean 'let's goooooo' & why is no one talking about valve operating illegally in countries

I believe he is talking about the useless talk with will come with that instead people talking about game releases…

The next comment he says that…



I mean weirdo Steam users will make it a big thing instead of focus in the games releasing
That are way more important.

Sometimes I have the felling only PS users cares about games.

 

[Johnic]

Can't you just buy the game for single player? Odd decision by Sony there.

Legal issues. It would still be doing business in countries where PSN isn't supported. Bit silly, since it's not required for SP. Trying to avoid another backlash, I guess.

But the solution is simple. Just add the damn countries. No need for an official store there, just make it possible to create a PSN there. Nintendo does it like that.

 

[Exicide]

Legal issues. It would still be doing business in countries where PSN isn't supported. Bit silly, since it's not required for SP. Trying to avoid another backlash, I guess.

But the solution is simple. Just add the damn countries. No need for an official store there, just make it possible to create a PSN there. Nintendo does it like that.

Its actually insane to me how many seem to not realize this simple solution. I have no idea why anyond would even defend it. The choice is reasonable IF the game in general requires PSN, but it's only the multiplayer, so instead of you know, adding the countries to the drop down list at least, or just blocking the MP mode there, they just pull the entire game???

 

[Nomen_Nescio]

Very bad argument. you should know better.

 

[Exicide]

Actually not good look for the Steam gamers outside the PSN supported countries.
Before that everybody could play with their own PSN accounts... now you can't anymore because Steam won't even sell the game to you.

That is what the big "democratic movement" in the weekend did.
Ohhhh and I saw people here in Iconera saying exactly that... they are on spot.

What are you talking about? Quit blaming Steam and blame PlayStation, they're the ones who took the game out of those countries, NOT Steam. Steam doesn't have control over that. Publishers are in control of where they want their game to be sold.

I get this forum hates Steam or PC in general but absolutely loves PlayStation, but hold some accountability on PS this time, it is their fault, not Steam.

Educate yourself on how Steam works.

 

[arvfab]

Its actually insane to me how many seem to not realize this simple solution. I have no idea why anyond would even defend it. The choice is reasonable IF the game in general requires PSN, but it's only the multiplayer, so instead of you know, adding the countries to the drop down list at least, or just blocking the MP mode there, they just pull the entire game???

It's the only solution for now, until they are legally able to operate services in those countries. Otherwise they could face a similar illegal situation like Steam in Vietnam (how is the review-bombing going, btw?).

Selling the game but cutting MP in those countries would mean legal troubles.

Maybe if people didn't cry because of Helldivers, now those people could have had the possibility to play GoT and still play Helldivers 2.

But the main culprit remains Sony. No PC port = no troubles.

 

[quest4441]

Steam users malding for not being able to buy the game just increases by enjoyment of the games I play by 10% more. Sony should announce PC ports then cancel them a day before release, the meltdowns will be glorious to watch

 

[Exicide]

It's the only solution for now, until they are legally able to operate services in those countries. Otherwise they could face a similar illegal situation like Steam in Vietnam (how is the review-bombing going, btw?).

Selling the game but cutting MP in those countries would mean legal troubles.

Maybe if people didn't cry because of Helldivers, now those people could have had the possibility to play GoT and still play Helldivers 2.

But the main culprit remains Sony. No PC port = no troubles.

You could also just add the countries in the drop down. You don't even need an official store, yet. Xbox does that in various countries just fine.

Once again, review bombing does not work like that. You will not affect Steam itself. You also can't refund anything over the policy.

The fact you are willing to defend Sony because you think it's because of the outcry that Helldivers generated is kind of sad, to be honest.

Sony is the one who made the bizarre decision to make the entire game unavailable even if multiplayer is the only mode that requires an account. There have been games in the past that have cut out modes in certain countries, so I don't understand why they couldn't just do that here?

 

[Exicide]

Steam users malding for not being able to buy the game just increases by enjoyment of the games I play by 10% more. Sony should announce PC ports then cancel them a day before release, the meltdowns will be glorious to watch

Keep wishing because with the way they're looking at PC, it ain't happening.

 

[Exicide]

Oh brother. Watch in about a week (likely less than that) and all the fake outrage will have found a new target to whine about.

The only thing i hope happens is Sony finds a way to properly serve those impacted due to region support.

The best way would just to be add the countries in the drop down menu for account creation. Xbox already does this for some countries and they don't even have an official store in some of them either.

It is absolutely mind-boggling that Sony has not done that yet.

 

[arvfab]

You could also just add the countries in the drop down. You don't even need an official store, yet.

If they could, they would have done already.

Once again, review bombing does not work like that. You will not affect Steam itself.

Then be creative and show us your "willpower". Steam clearly operated illegally and now people are suffering because of it. Don't you have any sympathy or empathy for them?

The fact you are willing to defend Sony because you think it's because of the outcry that Helldivers generated is kind of sad, to be honest.

I just said they are they culprit by even porting to PC in the first place. And of course the outcry Helldivers generated is the cause of this decision. It's a fact.

Sony is the one who made the bizarre decision to make the entire game unavailable even if multiplayer is the only mode that requires an account.

Are you going to code the changes required for it for free? What about the calculations necessary to determine the price for the butchered version? Or are you suggesting they still ask the same price?

Hey but if you are so troubled by this decision, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game!

 

[Exicide]

If they could, they would have done already.



Then be creative and show us your "willpower". Steam clearly operated illegally and now people are suffering because of it. Don't you have any sympathy or empathy for them?




I just said they are they culprit by even porting to PC in the first place. And of course the outcry Helldivers generated is the cause of this decision. It's a fact.



Are you going to code the changes required for it for free? What about the calculations necessary to determine the price for the butchered version? Or are you suggesting they still ask the same price?

Hey but if you are so troubled by this decision, speak with your wallet and don't buy the game!

They can, they just haven't

You can have sympathy and realize that you are not able to do anything about it. It is the Vietnamese government that blocked Steam. In this case, it is between those two parties. The user has no meaningful effect, the only ones who can have an effect is the Vietnamese people sending letters to their government, problem is I don't know how their government works but I do it's authoritarian.

It has nothing to do with their PC ports, it has everything to do with the way they're going about it. If other companies can offer psuedo-support to countries they don't necessarily have office in, why can't they? You do realize stripping the game from countries that don't support PSN even though the game doesn't require you to have one for single player is insane and is a repeat of the problem with Helldivers minus being swindled. There are plenty of avenues that Sony can go down to get that game in those regions. They just didn't do it.

You do know the games in the past that I was talking about are, in fact, the exact same price with a mode missing? I remember seeing news about it a long while ago. I can't remember the games right now because it was ages ago.

Anyways. There are rumors floating around that Sony is not the one who sent the email and it was GreenManGaming which is supported by the email's look, but at the same time it was originally reported that Sony pulled sale from those countries and refunded players who pre-ordered.

 

[arvfab]

They can, they just haven't

But it's easy right? You seem to know it better, tell us and them how.

The user has no meaningful effect, the only ones who can have an effect is the Vietnamese people sending letters to their government

What? Steam operated there illegally, now the government has pulled the plug and they had every right to do it. Maybe Steam users should create enough noise to make use adhere to rhe Vietnamese rules. Their willpower will surely be sufficient for it.

You do realize stripping the game from countries that don't support PSN even though the game doesn't require you to have one for single player is insane and is a repeat of the problem with Helldivers minus being swindled.

So making sure to not make the same mistake like with Helldivers (selling the game where they are not supposed to) is insane?

You were one of the people saying how the biggest mistake was to sell Helldivers in those regions in the first place.
They rectified their error with Helldivers by pulling the game from those countries and refunding people affected and now are doing the right thing by not selling there from the beginning.

They don't operate PlayStation there, why should they go out of their way to support those countries?

You do know the games in the past that I was talking about are, in fact, the exact same price with a mode missing? I remember seeing news about it a long while ago. I can't remember the games right now because it was ages ago.

Well that's some shitty practice I hope nobody supports.

 

[Gediminas]

But it's easy right? You seem to know it better, tell us and them how.



What? Steam operated there illegally, now the government has pulled the plug and they had every right to do it. Maybe Steam users should create enough noise to make use adhere to rhe Vietnamese rules. Their willpower will surely be sufficient for it.



So making sure to not make the same mistake like with Helldivers (selling the game where they are not supposed to) is insane?

You were one of the people saying how the biggest mistake was to sell Helldivers in those regions in the first place.
They rectified their error with Helldivers by pulling the game from those countries and refunding people affected and now are doing the right thing by not selling there from the beginning.

They don't operate PlayStation there, why should they go out of their way to support those countries?



Well that's some shitty practice I hope nobody supports.

stop watching films.. zombies aren't gaining brains back. they just eat brains.. until you at the same zombie level..

 

[Exicide]

But it's easy right? You seem to know it better, tell us and them how.



What? Steam operated there illegally, now the government has pulled the plug and they had every right to do it. Maybe Steam users should create enough noise to make use adhere to rhe Vietnamese rules. Their willpower will surely be sufficient for it.



So making sure to not make the same mistake like with Helldivers (selling the game where they are not supposed to) is insane?

You were one of the people saying how the biggest mistake was to sell Helldivers in those regions in the first place.
They rectified their error with Helldivers by pulling the game from those countries and refunding people affected and now are doing the right thing by not selling there from the beginning.

They don't operate PlayStation there, why should they go out of their way to support those countries?



Well that's some shitty practice I hope nobody supports.

How about you explain why Sony won't do it while others do?

Stop arguing in bad faith because this doesn't make any sense at all. Steam users outside of Vietnam have absolutely no effect on the Vietnamese government. Vietnamese steam users must make their voice heard to their government, not that they will care, it's authoritarian.


I truly hope you can recognize the differences between the two games.

Helldivers 2:
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Always online, would have required a mandatory PSN account linking, game was already sold in countries that did not support PSN, not even psuedo-support.

Ghost of Tsushima:
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Not always online, doesn't require a PSN account unless you are playing multiplayer, The single player could still have been sold in those countries.

If you want to be the one to tell me that Sony should not have sold in those countries even though the single player does not require an account, go ahead.

Let me break down the issue for you because you seem to not realize what it actually is:

The issue is not that they are selling in regions that don't support their service. It is the fact they were selling a game that requires their service to be played in those regions. Selling in regions that don't support their service would be fine if the game does not require you to have an account.

Does that clear up any confusion you may have? You seem to think it's just the selling in those regions and not the selling MANDATORY PSN account games in those regions.

I agree, it is a shitty practice but it is better than not selling the game at all in those regions whenever there is a part of the game that is applicable to their country.

 

[Exicide]

stop watching films.. zombies aren't gaining brains back. they just eat brains.. until you at the same zombie level..

Zombie this, zombie that. Do you have anything else to add to the discussion or are you just sitting on the sidelines telling people to stop discussing something because you don't like what the other side is saying?