I never understood comments like this.
Have you ever been in the Ps3/Xbox 360 era?
It is literally heaven and earth with what is happening now.
You generally realize that Ps3 came out a year later than its direct competitor. It cost $100 more than the direct competitor.
And it didn’t even have a special starting line, unlike a competitor.
Disgusting architecture to learn that made versions look worse, or come out later.
Yeah, I was in the Xbox 360/PlayStation 3 era.
PlayStation 3 released a year later and was $200 more. Xbox 360 had the core $300 package and the $400 20GB package. PlayStation 3 had the 20GB package for $500 and the 60GB package for $600. Sony was the market leader coming off PS2 and they simply lost at that time what they built and as a company became greedy.
These are completely different scenarios.
I saw a couple of your comments on the site dedicated to the xbox (Where for some reason they constantly discuss only Plyastation, but oh well
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You seem to like Sony games. These are expensive, polished, with good staging, great graphics and animation.
What do you want from them? So that they put these projects in their subscription on the first day, like Microsoft does?
Sorry, they haven't so many resources and they are not worth $3 trillion.
I assume you mean XboxEra? I assume you're "Mello" there right? In fairness, this site is supposed to be focused on PlayStation and yet, just as much time if not more so is spent talking about Microsoft on Xbox. Both fanbases do the exact same shit as the other but like to act as if they're better or don't do what the other side is doing. It's hilarious to be honest.
I like Sony and love a lot of their first party games (not all of them but a good amount) and I agree with the expensive, good staging, great graphics and animation assessment. Polish in all honesty, they've taken a step back for me simply because I had some minor issues with Miles Morales and Rift Apart but a shit ton of issues with HFW where as with the PS4 generation, out of 20 completed Sony published games, only Days Gone gave me technical issues, mostly the frame rate. If I have issues with God of War Ragnarok like I did with HFW then I see them as releasing their games 3-6 months earlier than they should in my opinion. I'm not used to having any major issues with Sony published games so if I have issues with GOWR then in my mind, it's going to be an occurring thing. At least for me anyway.
Well, yeah. Why wouldn't any consumer/gamer be able to play Sony's games for a $15 monthly rental? I'm sorry but anyone who says no to this is an extremist in my eyes because they care more about the company's profits and revenue then they do themselves which is something I have never done nor would ever do. Ubisoft for example is my favorite publisher and developer by far yet Ubisoft+ is coming to Xbox and PlayStation as a separate subscription service. I bash Ubisoft when it's deserved. If a game in my eyes isn't up to par that I played, I say so. Once Ubisoft+ is available on Xbox, all their future games become a $15 monthly rental for me and this IS my favorite company but im not going to give them extra money when I don't have to.
Sony is a billion dollar company and they could easily put their games on PS+ day one if they wanted to. They just don't want to and as long as their fan base is happy to pay for them, it will stay that way unless Game Pass takes off which by next generation, it would have already done so.
You should know how I am based on Xbox Era. I want what's best for me, not what's best for a billion or trillion dollar company. Companies want you to pay more and get less. I want to pay less and get more. lmao.
And even in this case. Show me an Xbox game of a level of performance at least close to the quality of Sony projects, except for Forza Horizon (Absolutely run-in series, with a bunch of tools that make development much cheaper)
Let Phil Spencer start putting his big promises and poignant headlines on the market. So far, I'm seeing mostly words, and indie-filled subscriptions, with occasional good B-projects.
Sorry, especially this year, it's just a fact
In general, I agree with this but to an extent. I do believe that The Coalition is up there with Sony's best and a few other studios like Playground and Ninja Theory will have great visually impressive games. Other than these studios and excluding ABK since the acquisition hasn't been legally finalized yet, none of them really do Sony level type games in terms of visuals, animations and whatnot. But at the same time, they never really have outside of Gears of War and Halo 4. None of their games have been to the level of Sony's in this regard and while I would a few of their other studios to do this, im not expecting them to do so because it's not what they do.
2022 is a clusterfuck for their first party studios and whatnot but we know this already. I can complain about it and trust me, I have but it's not going to change anything for this year. Like Microsoft, im simply riding it out. Also, with both Starfield and Redfall being 2023 and me having 6 games between September and December, their delays actually worked out better for me personally because I can go one game at a time with minimal to no backlog. After all, I can't play more than one game at a time. Not only that but I have 5 multi-platform games to play for the rest of 2022.
So yeah, it sucks but it is what it is. Since im more hyped for Redfall, if the delay makes that game even better then im all for the delay. Starfield isn't a game im hyped for as im not a Bethesda Game Studios guy but because of Game Pass, I will play it and give it a fair chance. This is probably the biggest difference for me. With certain studios/games, I wouldn't buy them period because they're not truly my type of game but because of Game Pass and being able to play Starfield, Avowed and others for a $10 monthly rental where as if I had to buy them, they would be skipped, this is a huge positive for me because I get to play and try these games out for minimal cost and if they hit, awesome but if they miss, no biggie because my $60+ investment isn't there.
I will say that im extremely hyped and looking forward to A Plague Tale Requiem which is an AA title but looks like an AAA title. Innocence was great and im expecting Requiem to be better across the board. Anyone who sees this game and a few others like Stalker 2 as Game Pass fodder or filler, im sorry but I could never take those people seriously because I know they're full of shit and only bashing the game because of it being on Game Pass as if PlayStation Plus has no fodder or filler games which it obviously does. They both do. They're both basically the same game wise. It's just one company's direction is based around and thus, I will get a decent amount of third party games on it day one where as the other is simply staying with their previous and current business model.
Jim Ryan has spoken several times in interviews about their strategy with their studios.
They sell the game, it pays off and makes a profit. Then they give more for next game.
But, unfortunately for Sony and for all of us who love their games, this is not a Nintendo that can afford to sell its titles for 5 years, without significant discounts.
Nintendo is literally the oldest gaming company that has taught people from infancy to Mario, Zelda, and so on.
Many of these people are in their 30s or even 40s.
Sony doesn't have that much time to develop their franchises to this extent.
Unfortunately for the consumer, they came up with a slightly different way to earn more from their titles in order to invest much more in their new projects. This is a price increase to $70. These are late PC ports to make more money and show other people what games Sony makes. They need to make services to earn even more, so they will release them on Ps5 + PC, right away, because microtransactions work there. And they will invest all this money they earn in flagship franchises, or those franchises that have the opportunity to become flagship
Agree with the Nintendo assessment. In this regard, no one is at Nintendo's level nor will anyone ever be. Only Nintendo can sell their games 5 years later for $60.
Sony doesn't have the time but it's also because their franchises outside of God of War and Gran Turismo normally get replaced with a new franchise IP where as Nintendo adds new IP's but they never get rid of their old popular ones.
The $70 price tag doesn't bother me since I was expecting $80 across the board for this generation. My bigger issue if you want to call it that is the timing of the $70 price tag. In a global pandemic and recession for a lot of countries, I simply see the $70 price tag as being tone deaf and just not getting it in this regard. Sony is becoming like they were during the PS3 era where instead of eating the costs while they would still make profits by the way, they're passing it off to the consumer. And 90%+ of consumers are not on twitter or forums and don't give two shits. They all do what they believe is best for themselves and Sony wanting to charge more in my mind was a bad decision based on what's going on in the world in 2020 and up to now.
Of course, im not a collector so a $70 disc based purchase like God of War Ragnarok will end up being a $35 purchase after I trade in the game once I complete it. But those who are all digital or mostly digital obviously have to pay full price and if it's someone who's trying the game/franchise for the first time and doesn't like it, they basically ended up wasting $70.
The PC thing, I believe that their exclusives will be day one before this current generation ends which will make them more money in the short and long term.
Shawn Layden talked about this (Who is very fond of the author of this post on IconEra and he really does not like that Sony releases their games on PC. This is actually the only reason why he posted this, here
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Shawn talked about how the cost of games is steadily rising. Every generation. By the end of that, just one blockbuster will cost around $200 million to produce. Do you understand what money is?
These are gigantic sums. They need to earn more and more to satisfy the desires of their leading studios.
They came up with several solutions.
Like it or hate it, it's working now and you'll get your Spider-man 2 looking amazing and no one else in the industry will make you a single game for that kind of money.
The same will happen with Ghost of Tsushima 2. With Wolverine. With the new project of Barlog, Druckmann and so on.
You have to pay for everything, always
Phil Spencer is a great guy, and clearly more of a gamer than Jim Ryan.
But, the advantage of Phil Spencer is that Nadella's daddy is behind him, who can give him 70 billion, and even 100, probably)
And even with such resources, Phil still cannot show us the level of Sony games
I'm in favor of Sony releasing their exclusives on PC and day one to be honest because since they want to cry about money or that games are too expensive to make, then why wouldn't they want to put their games on PC day one in order to make more money? It's 2022. Not 2002 or even 2012. Shit isn't the same. No console regardless of the manufacturer behind will ever be worth more to that respective company than the IP's that they have. Expanding their IP's beyond their walled garden of a PS5 to PC via EGS and Steam and eventually cloud and whatnot will do them a far greater service than not doing any of this because it's how you expand the IP to make it bigger and much more profitable.
I'm expecting Spider Man 2, Wolverine and others to be amazing. I don't have any doubt about this.
As much as I would love to see more Sony level games from Microsoft, the difference is that I know it's not happening at least not for the most part. You'll have The Coalition, Ninja Theory and Playground as those who give you visual showcases but other than them, it's not what any of those studios do so as much as I or others want this, im not expecting it to happen because I already now what to expect from Microsoft in this regard and to be honest, this has basically been their direction forever. If you subtract The Coalition with Gears and Playground with Forza Horizon, what other games has Microsoft released that are on par with Sony's when it comes to visuals, animations, etc.? There isn't any. Ryse would probably be the closest example and that was 9 years ago and isn't a Microsoft IP nor was it from a Microsoft owned studio.
I can't speak for anyone else but for me, I just want more and better games this generation from Microsoft than I had last generation with Xbox One and I will be happy. This generation with Xbox is what last generation with PlayStation was for me. With PS3, if I subtract Naughty Dog, I had literally only 1 exclusive which was Dead Nation from Housemarque. PS4 is what put Sony at the level they're currently at for me personally. I see Xbox One as Microsoft's PS3 and Series X/S as what PS4 was or in this case, should end up being for me.
Thus far, quantity wise, Microsoft has come up very short where as with PS4, I had already played and completed 4 Sony published games in the first two years but they were all 7/10 or lower. Sony didn't give me anything until 2016 and more so, 2017. This is why I don't go nuts. I gave Sony an entire generation with PS4 to win me over with their games and they did. I'm giving Microsoft the same time frame. And no, I don't care about what either did in their previous generations because that's the past. That's all dead and buried and does nothing for me now.
Quality wise, Microsoft has already done better for me this generation than they did with Xbox One or with what Sony did with PlayStation 4 in the same two year time period so I can't complain. I have over 10 Microsoft first party games that im looking forward to playing this generation and in all honesty, as much as I love a lot of Sony's games, I prefer Microsoft to be the alternative instead of just copying what they're doing. I know I will have Gears 6 and Hellblade 2. Probably 1 or 2 others that will be as close to a Sony game that they will get and that's perfectly fine with me because I don't want every game that Microsoft does to all be the same. Even if it's a game that's not for me and I have no interest in, still prefer the variety because after a while, as much as I love Sony's games, I don't get surprised by them anymore because I know what to expect from their studios. Any single player game will simply be a third person story driven game which is great and all but im more excited for Microsoft's first party studios because with them, I don't know what to expect in regards to what genre will the game be, first or third person, maybe isometric, who knows?
Obviously, it all comes down to each individual's own personal preference.