Sony Pictures reportedly in talks to buy Paramount. |UP|Sony Makes $26 Billion All-Cash Offer for Paramount.

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Sony not acquiring WB because they have 43 billion in debt would be silly. Sure they have 43 billion in debt but WB has some of the most prestige’s ip in media that hasn’t been fully tapped in. DC films & games hasn’t been fully taped in & when there good they make bank The Batman made over 500 million Batman Arkham games sells 10-15+ million they could sell more under PS & especially if they had good quality Batman films & tv shows to rejuvenate the franchise. Monster Verse films/games, Hogwarts films/games, Hanna Barbara which include the likes of Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry & Looney Tunes films/games, Games of Thrones films/games all of these are easily billion dollar franchise that if produced good can bring 500M to 1 billion $ in revenue & can push both Sony & PS into multiple markets. WB hold some very valuable ip beloved ip that can give Sony the ability to make there own park w ip from DC, Looney Tunes, Hogwarts alone now combine it with PS ip & other Sony ip like breaking bad, the boys & anime ip from the anime side like demon slayer & now you have a Sony that holds a very strong position in media, games & toys/parks. Imagine a Sony park with DC, Hogwarts, Looney Tunes, Ben10, Monster Verse, GOW, Horizon, GOT, Demon Slayer & if they acquired a gaming publisher like Capcom or Square Enix Sony would hold a lot of beloved ip that could make for a good park this is where Sony has to expand not porting or thinking of doing day n date PC port. Nintendo is in the works of making there own Nintendo park to expand to new consumer. All of WB debt can be paid of under 10 years of Sony had great leadership & direction & produce quality products something WB hasn’t been doing good outside the one off.

I don’t think Sony can do the same with Paramount, Paramount might not be bad but & could make sense if Sony acquires Hasbro to fully own the transformer, gijoe & monopoly franchise fully & gain expertise to produce good toys using those ip combine w Sony ip from PS & Anime.
all those legacy IPs are growing more and more irrelevant
 

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All PS3 did was wipe out all the profits they made with the PS2... The PS3 was making a killing on Software which softened the blow for the hardware losses. They also saw their TV, Phone and Laptop business crumbled.. it wasn't all on the PS3

Didn’t say it was all ps3. But movies and music did keep them in the game.

Ironic people still want to praise kaz hirai
 

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Didn’t say it was all ps3. But movies and music did keep them in the game.

Ironic people still want to praise kaz hirai
Kaz did a good job..he wasn't perfect but Sony as whole was left in better place upon his retirement than when he took over.

The two top guys now, they'll definitely do some damage in the coming years however.
 
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There were rumors about Microsoft wanting to acquire Paramount Pictures before. I genuinely hope Microsoft swoops in and offers more thsn 26B. We know Western companies have a different mindset than Asian Corps. they go with the highest offer. Please anyone MS or Amazon swoop in! Sony would deserve it. It still baffles me that Sony is shopping with PlayStation earned money. They don't value PlayStation like they did in PS1-PS3 era anymore...Kaz Hirai why did you resign? 😭
Sony has missed so mamy times great buys like Atlus, Fromsoftware, Namco before merger, Squaresoft before merger. These psychopaths even rejected Monolith, yes Tetsuya went first to Sony with his Xenoblade pitch. Xenoblade Chronicles and the studio behind it could have been PS 1st Party. 🤧
 
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This is why gaming M&As, or at least more strategic investments into 3P for new co-dev'd exclusives covering AAA and AA, or expanding their internal 1P teams to develop more AAA & AA games in tandem, would be seen as helpful
This is what Nintendo is doing w Bandai Namco building 2 new studios to specifically make more Nintendo games preparing for Switch 2.
 
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WB + Sony would be a perfect acquisition for all main divisions of Sony, Sony Pictures, Sony Music, Sony Interactive Entertainment, that would actually benefit PlayStation A LOT with multiple iconic videogame franchises, Sony would literally not need to rely on Disney licenses to have superhero games, Sony would own some of the best studios in the industry, would own 2023's best selling game, Hogwarts Legacy, would own their own fighting game with Mortal Kombat, would be a perfect combination with EVO
WB & Capcom while having shares in Kadokawa & Square Enix to ensure they don’t get bought up is the best acquisition strategy for Sony gain iconic ip & studios that benefit Sony as a whole including PS. MK & Street Fighter under PS you can do MK vs Capcom or MK vs The Boys or inject more mature ip like Kratos, Jin Sakai, Nathan Drake, Colt as guess character in MK. Also acquiring Arc System Work & you essentially cornered the fighting scene the last thing you will need is a platform fighter so have the studio who’s working on Multiversus to bring back PS Allstars Battle Royal (Allstars Battle Royal) using all of the new ip gained would make a great competitor to smash & can be the mainline game at EVO for years.

& yes Sony should rely less on Marvel licensing especially when there getting milked out the wazoo. DC & The Boys games would be great maybe still do Spider-Man games since Sony has a ton of connection with the Spider-Man films.
 

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what's sad about Sony getting Paramount, is that WBD will probably go to Microsoft, they're looking to acquire a movie/tv company to get into the entertainment business/subscription services and they don't have nothing in this area so it'll probably go through... MS will destroy WB Games even more
True thoe I can see MS getting the top dogs instead of someone like WB who has a lot of needed restructuring & management. Netflix would be perfect for MS they don’t have to deal with own ip & possibly damaging it & just use 3rd party ip to create shows + Netflix has 200+ million subscribers & if they tie it to Gamepass they can finesse numbers & act like Gamepass has 200+ million subscribers & looking less like a failure. Games & entertainment into one while having 200+ million subscribers is a better look then Max who’s at 40 million subscribers & would need MS to properly handle WB ip which I don’t think they would do good both in films & games as shown with Halo
 

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There were rumors about Microsoft wanting to acquire Paramount Pictures. I genuinely hope Microsoft swoops in and offers more thsn 26B. We know Western companies have a different mindset than Asian Corps. they go with the highest offer. Please anyone MS or Amazon swoop in! Sony would deserve it.
i hope MS offers 30B+, ends up acquiring Paramount and then Sony gets WB eventually
 

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That's one year....
You can look at FY21 in that pic too.

But let’s add FY20 and FY19 mayne you find a trend.

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Or perhaps FY18 and FY17 are better…

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I’m not counting…
Seem like Games is around 30% of revenue and around 20% of profit.

🤷‍♂️

And before you say it just 6 years lol
FY16 and FY15 are similar but I’m tired of taking screen shots of public documents.
 
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well, they should, cause PlayStation has been carrying Sony on their backs for a long time now, they need to invest more, having 18 studios that take 5 years to create a single game simply won't be enough, and we're seeing the dry years of 2023/2024 first party wise, this CAN'T happen for a platform as big as PlayStation, the only way PlayStation can grow significantly is by buying studios or a big publisher, the more first party AAA games they have, the more profit they'll make, the more consoles they'll sell, and it's not about just consoles, they're sleeping on mobile and they need to TAKE ACTIONS right now before it's too late, all of the big mobile publishers are getting bought, so absolutely, people have all the rights in the world to be concerned about the long term future of the brand
Saudis bought mobile publishers Scopely the people behind Stumble Guys & Monopoly GO. Saudis bought a Japanese publisher (SNK) & said they want to buy another gaming publisher Sega & Capcom would make the most sense they have similar libraries arcade, fighters that can be pushed w esports etc

We also seen MS large acquisition targets. MS has no grounds in Asia within gaming so I wouldn’t be surprised if MS went to buy a gaming publisher in Japan like Sega maybe even Square Enix.

Sony should invest now heavily to prepare for the future. You as a gaming publisher don’t want to go against a 10 year old fortnite & a 5 year old GTA6 these games are acting as black holes where gamers don’t wana play anything else due to time & $ invested. Sony should increase its singleplayer output 2x to 3x & double down on live service including mobile. There’s not much mobile gaming publisher but there’s many underrated mobile devs with potential.

Sony should also drop there entry for developers to publish games on PS, PC entry level is so low they get many games exclusive like PUBG, Lethal Company, Dayz, Escape from tarkov that aren’t on PS or don’t come to PS for years if ever PS needs to work with these studios this also includes working w mobile studios to bring mobile games. Partner w Supercell & bring Supercell games onto PS clash of clan, Brawl Stars & there new game MO.CO which will release soon should get ported to PS & or with MO.CO release day n date on PS these are whole markets & gamers that skip PS because the games there interested on aren’t on PS platform/storefront

Add reviews but you need to play the game for 5 hours. Steam & Mobile has reviews drop the entry level for studios to publish game on PS so more games releases simultaneously across PS, PC & Mobile
 

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well, they should, cause PlayStation has been carrying Sony on their backs for a long time now,
Like I proved with actual public sliders from Sony financials that is actually a false claim.

For the last decade Game, Network & Services where PlayStation is accounted for around 30% of their business.

And more it is not the most profitable division from Sony either accounting for around 20% of the whole company profit.
 

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People that are wondering why Sony want to buy this, is actually really simple.

It's a one in a lifetime opportunity. Paramount is an historical company.
With great IPs that makes 30b on revenue annually. So it's clearly undervalued and poorly managed.
Sony outside Spider-Man has nothing going for them in the movie space.
The synergy would be perfect.



Many many people will lose their job, and the Big 5 will go to just Big 4.
 

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Many many people will lose their job, and the Big 5 will go to just Big 4.
Why should we be worried about that? After everything that happened in the last few years, even in the video game industry. So what if they are 4? There's literally 2 big video game publishers left in USA. No one cared.

The fear mongering about people losing their job at Activision also didn't work at all so it shouldn't in this case.

I don't want Sony to waste money there but at the same time, there's no argument to block it.

Somebody is going to get Paramount anyway. They won't stay independent.
 

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Why should we be worried about that? After everything that happened in the last few years, even in the video game industry. So what if they are 4? There's literally 2 big video game publishers left in USA. No one cared.

The fear mongering about people losing their job at Activision also didn't work at all so it shouldn't in this case.

I don't want Sony to waste money there but at the same time, there's no argument to block it.

Somebody are going to get Paramount anyway. They won't stay independent.
Not saying people should be worried. Just saying it will be one of the concequences.

Skydance only wants to buy the majority vote of Paramount. And they already make movies for them, like Top Gun and Mission Impossible. For the most part not many changes would happen.


Sony and Appolo is going for all. Sony will keep what they want and sell what they don't.
 
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Looks like Legendary pictures also comes with this since Apollo is a stake holder in them, thats a pretty big get IMO. I get why Sony a company is doing this but id prefer to see this level of investment for gaming.
 
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Looks like Legendary pictures also comes with this since Apollo is a stake holder in them, thats a pretty big get IMO. I get why Sony a company is doing this but id prefer to see this level of investment for gaming.

How do you figure Legendary Pictures comes with this?
 

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Apollo is the other investor besides sony. Legendary is a subsidiary of Apollo. Sony also has a long term exlusive deal with legendary.

Legendary is not a subsidiary of Apollo. They're a minority stakeholder in Legendary. They're owned by Wanda group.

All of these companies have relationships. I think it's a stretch to see that Legendary has anything to do with this.