Sony will release Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart for PC in July 26

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Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is an excellent game. Looks amazing, plays great, is a ton of fun to play and has a real good story too. Definitely recommended for those who haven't played it yet.
 
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Now we find out about the SSD claims and how much of it was bullshit. Master waiters are going to pirate this day one and stutter their way to the end using HDDs.

The entire PlayStation strategy for this gen stinks and it's pretty much the hardware team and a few devs doing all the work to make the console successful.
Lol, stutter their way to the end
 
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Console gaming is down just because ratchet and clank is ported to PC? I think you folks are being overly dramatic.

Console gaming is just here to stay thanks to mass appeal. I just started that in my opinion PC gaming is better for enthusiasts. And I think we are all enthusiasts in this place right? Why wouldn't you want to see games shine to the fullest of their capabilities?

As someone who recently moved to consoles after 26 years as a pc gamer I don't know how much I agree because I found the Playstation 5 sooo comfortable. But sure is nice to see someone discussing this in a civil manner and not like is some kind of ideologial war.
 
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Shmunter

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Not sure this rhetoric of less SP is coming from. Are studios like Sucker Punch broken up and not working on anything? We don’t have any announcement, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

The live service stuff sucks, but once it all comes tumbling down - which is almost as sure as a bear shitting in the wood - lessons will be learnt. Even despite this, these games are not replacing the SP, they are side by side.

I feel no remorse.
 

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Even console gamers end up benefiting. Look at how many games were going to be left in the dust once Sony shut down the PS3 store, or Nintendo with their legacy consoles?
None of these games are on PC and they are not porting pS3 games so that point is irrelevant. They are porting PS5 games, recent and easy to find everywhere. Game preservation my ass.

Thank you for preserving Zelda TOTK, that game was in danger of getting lost 🙄
ol PS becoming the timed exclusive box now
Sony wants to be Xbox and Xbox would give everything to be Sony. These CEOs are on crack.
 

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And single player games. There's a lot going for PC at the moment, more than there has been for a few years.
Well yeah it just depends on how long you're prepared to wait. As a 4090 owner I wonder if the release gap reduced to a year it devalues ownership of the PS5 quite a bit as I always have a backlog.
 
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Just wanna say this about console vs pc. On my mid-high end pc I'm spending 30 minutes minimum before even launching the game playing with settings to make sure I'm not falling below, say, 100fps, adjusting upscaling, making sure shit looks good and I'm not losing too much image quality or framerate due to dumb settings. On console I just boot up the game and go. Yes, it sucks when the optimization isn't perfect, but the ps5 isn't a switch. I can feel frame drops but they annoy me for a split second and i move on. On PC if I drop to 80fps it bugs the fuck out of me.
 

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Ok here I go.

Consoles are a hindrance if you are an enthusiast gamer. Imagine owning a low quality hi Fi to listen to the Beatles, one that plays exclusively led zeppelin and pink Floyd and another that just plays Miles Davis records.

It's just that we are all used to that anachronistic business model since the 80s. Back then it made sense, the industry was young, some standards needed to be set and home computers were ridiculously expensive, hard to use and terrible for gaming.


Not saying consoles should not exist, they absolutely have a place, but PC is a different animal. Have your wars between consoles but down the line port all games to PC. At least that way, game preservation is secured and console manufacturers get some additional revenue. Because sure as hell those games will end up being emulated or even source ported on PC.

Even console gamers end up benefiting. Look at how many games were going to be left in the dust once Sony shut down the PS3 store, or Nintendo with their legacy consoles? That won't happen on PC. Games lost in older consoles like MGS4 could be playable on integrated graphics today if they were ported to PC back in the day. Everyone has a PC at home, I bet office PCs today can play crysis.

At least some consoles tried to do innovative stuff like the 3DS or the Wii. But these propietary PCs? Nothing to bring to the table except a relative ease of use for casual gamers, some exclusive here and there and a misleading lower cost of entry.
PC is overpriced, so this whole argument is moot.
 
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Console gaming is down just because ratchet and clank is ported to PC? I think you folks are being overly dramatic.

Console gaming is just here to stay thanks to mass appeal. I just started that in my opinion PC gaming is better for enthusiasts. And I think we are all enthusiasts in this place right? Why wouldn't you want to see games shine to the fullest of their capabilities?
Some folks are overly dramatic over this, yes. It’s why I don’t engage with these threads anymore. Nobody is leaving PlayStation because games are going to pc after years of release.
 

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One thing that really boggles my mind is Sony stance on PC piracy. They release single player games with pretty much no security and every single one gets cracked day one.

As far as I know there it close to no piracy on PlayStation and rampant piracy on PC yet they go out of their way to make their games accessible to pirate in exchange for a couple hundred thousand extra copies (where they have to give 30% to Valve).

Console is an extremely healthy market with close to no piracy and digital sales growing extremely fast (so an ever decreasing used game market). If MS was in the same position they would say "fuck PC" (like they did during the 360 days).

Too bad that Valve ain't a publicly traded company because I would sell everything I have and buy their stocks at this point, they are about to smoke Sony and MS in the next 10 years.
 
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I agree. They could add denuvo as long as they remove it in a year at most. But then again, games like Witcher 3 and cyberpunk sold the most on PC while being DRM free.

Piracy on PC is very overstated.
 

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I agree. They could add denuvo as long as they remove it in a year at most. But then again, games like Witcher 3 and cyberpunk sold the most on PC while being DRM free.

Piracy on PC is very overstated.
No it's not. These CDPR games have a long history on PC that Sony doesn't have and are the exception. PC is big in every country where piracy is big and Steam is pretty much designed to fight piracy.


JayBari is not happy either.

100% with him.

60 dollars on PC with more features.... and we were supposed to get more single player games funded yet 3 years after the ports start and looks like we get less now.
Math doesn't add up, in console where Sony keeps 100% of the money they charge $70 on PC where they keep only 70% they charge $60... PlayStation players are treated like suckers.
 
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Nhomnhom

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This is what I mean when I say Jim Ryan and Hermen Hulst's vision for Playstation is catastrophic. They're trying to turn into a third party publisher, meanwhile Nintendo is breaking every record in movies and games by keeping their stuff exclusive
Nintendo doesn't even have the option to not have their games playable on PC and their games get massively pirated by master waiters even before release and run even better on PC than on the Switch. Their numbers would be even better if that wasn't the case (both software and hardware). Nintendo also surfers from piracy on their device way more than PlayStation.

If it was up to them they would shut it all down, while Sony goes out of their way to simp for that audience (that mostly hates them).

If Nintendo is able to find the balance of power in their next portable they'll eat Sony's lunch when it comes to third-party game sales..
 

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Nintendo doesn't even have the option to not launch on PC and their games get massively pirate by master waiters even before release and run better on PC than on the Switch. If it was up to them they would shut it all down, while Sony goes out of their way to simp for that audience (that mostly hates them).
True, Nintendo has been hacked since wii u thanks to emulators. I think their lawyers have done a good enough job at keeping them from going mainstream enough to affect their console sales though.

Nintendo is already the smartest publisher because they're the only one left that hasn't ported their games to PC, don't drop prices often or at all, and had a mobile strategy at some point. Glad I've been getting more into my switch lately after seeing how Jim is running things
 

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True, Nintendo has been hacked since wii u thanks to emulators. I think their lawyers have done a good enough job at keeping them from going mainstream enough to affect their console sales though.

Nintendo is already the smartest publisher because they're the only one left that hasn't ported their games to PC, don't drop prices often or at all, and had a mobile strategy at some point. Glad I've been getting more into my switch lately after seeing how Jim is running things
It's very mainstream, since the emulators aren't illegal they get promoted everywhere (reddit, youtube, even Xbox). The games are what is harder to find but nothing that would be a challenge for a PC gamer. No need to say it, but people aren't ripping their own ROMs from cartiges they bougth.
 

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It's very mainstream, since the emulators aren't illegal they get promoted everywhere (reddit, youtube, even Xbox). The games are what is harder to find but nothing that would be a challenge for a PC gamer. No need to say it, but people aren't ripping their own ROMs from cartiges they bougth.
I wouldn't call it mainstream to where the casual game player knows how to do it. It's still an enthusiast thing.

But anyways it seems like this PS5 generation will be the remaster/PC port/ and GAAS gen. Safe to say I'll probably be bowing out once Final Fantasy comes. Spiderman 2 isn't even interesting me anymore.
 

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I wouldn't call it mainstream to where the casual game player knows how to do it. It's still an enthusiast thing.
Every PC players knows it. I'm yet to meet a single PC player that doesn't list emulators as on of PC's advantages. The casual PC player is probably more likely to emulate than the guy buying AAA games on Steam.
But anyways it seems like this PS5 generation will be the remaster/PC port/ and GAAS gen. Safe to say I'll probably be bowing out once Final Fantasy comes. Spiderman 2 isn't even interesting me anymore.
I'm in the same boat. I have zero faith in the PlayStation future.
 

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Every PC players knows it. I'm yet to meet a single PC player that doesn't list emulators as on of PC's advantages. The casual PC player is probably more likely to emulate than the guy buying AAA games on Steam.

I'm in the same boat. I have zero faith in the PlayStation future.
Factions was actually my last hope and one of the games I was looking to since buying my PS5, with that effectively being killed along with the showcase I gave up on any hope on Sony as a publisher.