Totoki PS President wants to improve margins with releases outside console.

Nimrota

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The logic doesn't make as much sense as you think it does.

An exclusive live service game would be *more* of a draw to The Playstation Ecosystem because it's pulling in networks of people who want to play together. Imagine if Minecraft actually was an Xbox exclusive. You don't think that would drive Xbox sales. It would be a much bigger draw than Starfield.

The reality is ALL AAA games are extremely expensive to make. All games need to reach the biggest audience. Everyone more readily accepts/expects live service games to be multiplatform because they're often free/cheap and the publishers are extremely nervous about that.
Fully agree with this. Look at the legacy of Halo for Xbox. I knew people that sold their PS3s to play Halo. If Sony is going to go big on GAAS they need their premiere game to be fully exclusive. But this is a good management approach since you a) need to develop a good game people want to play and b) you have to identify it as such to market/release it correctly.
 

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People will buy consoles because pcs are expensive plus a lot of people love playing on the sofa. So always going to be consoles. Tbh if god of war was released on same day on pc it would sell millions you know it everyone knows that.
Some people don't have space for a desk, monitor, pc case, chair, just to play a game. There is give and take between alternate factors for consoles, e.g. exclusives, but there will always be a base of people that want consoles. Great example of this is kids. Parents aren't going to be going out and buying a PC for their kids to play games day 1 since they're now releasing on Steam. It's silly to reduce the market to these metrics in miniature when consumer choice is so varied.
 
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Fully agree with this. Look at the legacy of Halo for Xbox. I knew people that sold their PS3s to play Halo. If Sony is going to go big on GAAS they need their premiere game to be fully exclusive. But this is a good management approach since you a) need to develop a good game people want to play and b) you have to identify it as such to market/release it correctly.
I mean I know ppl that ditched Xbox and go strictly PS due to GT, GOW, TLOU, etc I say that to say that they been had those premier games that entice ppl to stay Playstation. I'm a good example of tht. The only other console I buy as supplementary is a switch and I don't even touch mine and don't spend money on software. For me GaaS can be open to all I don't think it needs to be exclusive to any console it just needs to reach as many ppl as possible and rake in tht money. By nature GaaS should be open to all imo just like DC Universe was, Destiny is, etc Sony just needs to keep those other high profile games exclusive and Thyll be fine.

As for PC I've said it in my other comments today PC will not substantially eat up the console market in any way. They have made strides in accessibility to casuals but they are just not there.Most parents aren't going to go buy kids a rig but definitely will get a console. Shit most teens or adults aren't either. The average age demographic for gamers is like 30-45 but even with tht age most are casuals not even thinking about PC gaming unless of course it's like some Asian market.
 
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Fully agree with this. Look at the legacy of Halo for Xbox. I knew people that sold their PS3s to play Halo. If Sony is going to go big on GAAS they need their premiere game to be fully exclusive. But this is a good management approach since you a) need to develop a good game people want to play and b) you have to identify it as such to market/release it correctly.

lol, this is one way to go with the information and I think it would be disastrous for many big projects. my point was there's no particular reason why live service games should come day and date to PC while single player games don't. single player games need the exposure to the widest audience just like service games do.

further, there's no reason why free to play service games are exempt from the PS Plus requirement while $40 live service games still require it. you're just knee-capping the games that cost money.
 

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Some people don't have space for a desk, monitor, pc case, chair, just to play a game. There is give and take between alternate factors for consoles, e.g. exclusives, but there will always be a base of people that want consoles. Great example of this is kids. Parents aren't going to be going out and buying a PC for their kids to play games day 1 since they're now releasing on Steam. It's silly to reduce the market to these metrics in miniature when consumer choice is so varied.
You can buy a notebook, a Deck, get a small profile PC and connect it directly to your TV.

Who do you think is playing Fortnite, LoL, PUBG, CS, etc, on PC? Plenty of kids, the old trick of telling your parent you need a GPU for study. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Some people don't have space for a desk, monitor, pc case, chair, just to play a game. There is give and take between alternate factors for consoles, e.g. exclusives, but there will always be a base of people that want consoles. Great example of this is kids. Parents aren't going to be going out and buying a PC for their kids to play games day 1 since they're now releasing on Steam. It's silly to reduce the market to these metrics in miniature when consumer choice is so varied.
Dude video games aren't just for children anymore. You know we grow up right? And we work and we want the good stuff right. The children they get Mario rather than playstation. If I had kids I would get them a Nintendo. If Sony start putting god of war on pc day and date. Why would I buy a ps5. When I can play high framerate ultra wide and with dualsense perks? Like literally it will be the death of playstation
Bookmark this. The day sony starts to release day and date with PC. It will be the death of playstation. Its like we learn nothing from xbox
 
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You can buy a notebook, a Deck, get a small profile PC and connect it directly to your TV.

Who do you think is playing Fortnite, LoL, PUBG, CS, etc, on PC? Plenty of kids, the old trick of telling your parent you need a GPU for study. :ROFLMAO:
Well maybe I'm just projecting my own beliefs on kids. But I had a weak laptop I used for some games in HS and it was miserable compared to consoles. Handhelds are nice but as a kid I wanted to sit in front of the big TV when at home mainly. Not discounting that some people would do PCs, as knew some people in HS that built their own, but the overall market? I don't believe it.
 
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Well maybe I'm just projecting my own beliefs on kids. But I had a weak laptop I used for some games in HS and it was miserable compared to consoles. Handhelds are nice but as a kid I wanted to sit in front of the big TV when at home mainly. Not discounting that some people would do PCs, as knew some people in HS that built their own, but the overall market? I don't believe it.
The gaming PC market is pretty big, I don't get your point, who cares if they are kids or not? Someone seems to by buying enough games for every single publisher to bother with them despite the massive amount of piracy there.

The vast majority of people playing on consoles are adults, only a very tiny percentage is younger than 18 these days. Some pretty dooming demographics for PlayStation.
 

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Dude video games aren't just for children anymore. You know we grow up right? And we work and we want the good stuff right. The children they get Mario rather than playstation. If I had kids I would get them a Nintendo. If Sony start putting god of war on pc day and date. Why would I buy a ps5. When I can play high framerate ultra wide and with dualsense perks? Like literally it will be the death of playstation
Bookmark this. The day sony starts to release day and date with PC. It will be the death of playstation. Its like we learn nothing from xbox
I'm talking about the total addressable market. Yes, adults have flexibility to buy whatever, but certain demographics face restrictions that make consoles more preferable. Sony can put GOW on Steam and maybe adults say oh I'll just buy it on Steam, but some kid whose parents bought them a PS5 for Christmas isn't going to buy it on Steam.

I'm against day and date, I'm against PC ports in general too, I'm just saying that neglecting variability in the market ignores the aspects wherein PS and PC are not competing directly.
 

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The gaming PC market is pretty big, I don't get your point, who cares if they are kids or not? Someone seems to by buying enough games for every single publisher to bother with them despite the massive amount of piracy there.

The vast majority of people playing on consoles are adults, only a very tiny percentage is younger than 18 these days. Some pretty dooming demographics for PlayStation.
My point is that the PC and console markets are not are perfect circle in a venn diagram. People ignore the ways in which consoles differ to PCs and why a segment of the market prefers them regardless of where else a game releases.
 

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PC is growing faster than consoles in almost every market. The time of PC being this niche platform and not competing with consoles is outdated. Sony is trying to become Xbox 2.0
 

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PC is growing faster than consoles in almost every market. The time of PC being this niche platform and not competing with consoles is outdated. Sony is trying to become Xbox 2.0
The day Sony gives up on physical discs or starts releasing their single player games day one on PC, I'm completely out, never to return. I'll sell my PS5 and every disc I own, if I'm forced into digital I'm much better off on PC.
 

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PC ports are part of their strategy, this is nothing new. They'll make multiplayer games day one on PC, and others will be delayed.
 

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PC ports are part of their strategy, this is nothing new. They'll make multiplayer games day one on PC, and others will be delayed.
Until they also make them day one on PC as well. What will you say if that happens?
 
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I think that is the worst move they can make, but even if they do it I still prefer to play on Playstation. I've been playing on pc my whole life until very recently and I feel that the console experience is so much better. The only thing that really bothers me is having to pay a monthly fee to play online (an absolute scam) but nowadays if a game releases on console or pc I prefer to buy it on PS: UI, trophies, simplicity, framerates, basically everything that I care about is smoother or more stable on console.
 
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I think that is the worst move they can make, but even if they do it I still prefer to play on Playstation. I've been playing on pc my whole life until very recently and I feel that the console experience is so much better. The only thing that really bothers me is having to pay a monthly fee to play online (an absolute scam) but nowadays if a game releases on console or pc I prefer to buy it on PS: UI, trophies, simplicity, framerates, basically everything that I care about is smoother or more stable on console.
Thnks for your honesty!
 
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What about a modest price cut like 50 bucks or something unconventional like 75 dollars?