Xbox - what needs to change?

[ChorizoPicozo]

I don't care about reviews and I'm damn sure I enjoyed some of those 60 meta games back in the day.

I am happy to inform you will keep getting those.

 

[nominedomine]

Hmm what games? are these you speak off and you must not say The Order 1886 lol or you will lose all CRED
Even though i think you love that game

The Order isn't a good game (and certainly had a hard time justifying it's price at the time), it just had some great unfulfilled potential, it's a cautionary tale if anything about rushing a game out of the door. Really great setting, great visuals, interesting weapons, but it all went to waste once Sony didn't give devs more time to actually properly make the game and the devs fucked up by taking so damn long as well, perhaps focusing on the wrong things. RaD had great potential as a studio (still do I guess, but making games under Facebook is going to be a challenge).

There are plenty of Sony games that I don't like or that I'm not that into, that is the thing, I'm open to that I don't pretend I like what I don't like. The moment Sony stops releasing bangers is the moment I jump ship.

 

[Papacheeks]

Yes Bungie is a Sony 1st party studio when the deal goes through it has not gone through yet though

Redfall looks way better than Crackdown 3 or ReCore
Come on man

I think what Chorizo is saying, is Bungie is not internally managed by Sony. They are self managed studio, as in the projects they want to green light they dont need to go to sony to do that.

But a studio like Insomniac, Sucker punch, Santa Monic have to get projects approved by higher ups.
Just like Bethesda is self contained, its it's own funding even to an extent. But Microsoft has no baring on budgets/projects getting green lit. Bethesda/Zenimax was a self publishing studio house.

So there for they have the means and funds to self produce and need no assistance from Microsoft outside of maybe PR campaigns and technical support for back end things.
Crackdown 3 was contracted out to Sumo and co developed. Recore was also outsourced.

We are talking well I am mostly about non self contained studios/that previously did their own publishing. Like Obsidian, like bethesda, like Bungie. We currently are talking RARE, UNDEAD LABS, PLAYGROUND GAMES, 343, COALITION, INITIAITIVE. 5 OF THOSE have had some kind of issue or setback on their projects.
I'm dont have to worry about Coalition as much as I do the rest of those. With me being hopeful on playground games.

But the rest have project management issues. We've seen nothing for over 2 years. Longer even for RARE.

 

[Cragarmi]

The Order isn't a good game (and certainly had a hard time justifying it's price at the time), it just had some great unfulfilled potential, it's a cautionary tale if anything about rushing a game out of the door. Really great setting, great visuals, interesting weapons, but it all went to waste once Sony didn't give devs more time to actually properly make the game and the devs fucked up by taking so damn long as well, perhaps focusing on the wrong things. RaD had great potential as a study (still do I guess, but making games under Facebook is going to be a challenge).

There are plenty of Sony games that I don't like or that I'm not that into, that is the thing, I'm open to that I don't pretend I like what I don't like. The moment Sony stops releasing bangers is the moment I jump ship.

Slightly off topic, but just to add in; reportedly the Dev team missed key targets throughout development, and Sony did actually offer more time, but would not increase the budget to do so, due to them missing so many targets. It's a shame as the engine was impressive, and the concept and world building was excellent.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Yes Bungie is a Sony 1st party studio when the deal goes through it has not gone through yet though

The last part was unnecessary .

Redfall looks way better than Crackdown 3 or ReCore
Come on man

Thats is not what I am saying!!!. You were the one using the words "Mega AAA"

Is redfall a Mega AAA?....i think not. Barely looks (not just visually but scope wise) AAA.

The point is :

Forza, Starfield yeah they are high caliber AAA games.

RedFall just looks (not in art direction) (but in the quality of the graphic /technology) like those battle royal Ubisoft games.

 

[Lord Mittens]

Redfall has potential - I cannot judge it until I play it, it has the Dishonored DNA, I find those games excellent and fun to play.

I dont know if they will ever touch Crackdown again after 3. That IP needs to be completely redone somehow.

 

[nominedomine]

Slightly off topic, but just to add in; reportedly the Dev team missed key targets throughout development, and Sony did actually offer more time, but would not increase the budget to do so, due to them missing so many targets. It's a shame as the engine was impressive, and the concept and world building was excellent.

Interesting, they did seem to lack a little bit of common sense. It's like they spent their time building everything they needed except the game itself. It's like we played a rushed prologue for a game that never came out, but there was definitely a lot of quality there despite the shortcomings.

I find it funny that Sony never gave the game on PS+ IGC and didn't include it on PS+ Extra. It's the sort of game that would benefit a lot from people playing it "for free".

 

[DynamiteCop]

Personally I dont think having day 1 AAA games on GamePass is the right way to go, its not sustainable long term, unless you have significantly more people paying full price for GamePass, and you already have people that won't buy games not in GamePass. 3rd parties won't survive on Xbox, as once Xbox start releasing their own games they won't pay mega bucks to get third parties on GamePass, as they simple won't be needed to maintain subscriptions. The problem is, they can't start charging for their first party stuff now, as it will lead to a bit of a revolt, so they have backed themselves into a corner.

They just spent $70 billion on Activision/Blizzard, sustainability doesn't exist and they don't care about it, and they don't need to. Microsoft's full weight is behind Xbox now, and they will keep pushing, and pushing, and pushing until overall market dominance.

This isn't about sustainability, it's about loss leading until the eventual overcoming. They could lose money forever and it wouldn't matter, they have a near infinite supply of it.

Their goal isn't to compete, their goal is to spend and grow to a point where there is no competition.

 

[Craig of War]

The last part was unnecessary .

Thats is not what I am saying!!!. You were the one using the words "Mega AAA"

Is redfall a Mega AAA?....i think not. Barely looks (not just visually but scope wise) AAA.

The point is :

Forza, Starfield yeah they are high caliber AAA games.

RedFall just looks (not in art direction) (but in the quality of the graphic /technology) like those battle royal Ubisoft games.

Last part was for clarification

Redfall is a huge open world game made by Arkane it is AAA quality

 

[Craig of War]

The Order isn't a good game (and certainly had a hard time justifying it's price at the time), it just had some great unfulfilled potential, it's a cautionary tale if anything about rushing a game out of the door. Really great setting, great visuals, interesting weapons, but it all went to waste once Sony didn't give devs more time to actually properly make the game and the devs fucked up by taking so damn long as well, perhaps focusing on the wrong things. RaD had great potential as a studio (still do I guess, but making games under Facebook is going to be a challenge).

There are plenty of Sony games that I don't like or that I'm not that into, that is the thing, I'm open to that I don't pretend I like what I don't like. The moment Sony stops releasing bangers is the moment I jump ship.

You will jump ship when you see Starfield at it full glory
Cause what you see at the showcase was only a small fraction of it

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Last part was for clarification

Redfall is a huge open world game maybe by Arkane it is AAA quality

You are walking a fine line between taking their marketing at face value and let your hype/bias doing hyperbolic work.

Do they use "HUGE" in their marketing?
Do they have stated how big is this open-world?
GTA 5 big?
Ass Creed Big?

 

[nominedomine]

You will jump ship when you see Starfield at it full glory
Cause what you see at the showcase was only a small fraction of it

You sure don't know me, I despise Bethesda (the studio, not the publisher) games their games are a master class about poor game design.

 

[Craig of War]

You sure don't know me, I despise Bethesda (the studio, not the publisher) games their games are a master class about poor game design.

Bethesda and poor game design? That must be 1st that i have ever heard such a thing said
Cause everywhere else Bethesda are known for their world class game design

 

[Craig of War]

You are walking a fine line between taking their marketing at face value and let your hype/bias doing hyperbolic work.

Do they use "HUGE" in their marketing?
Do they have stated how big is this open-world?
GTA 5 big?
Ass Creed Big?

Redfall map size will be huge not as big as GT5 or Assassin Creed Odyssey
But it believe to be a huge open world
There is video by the way

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Redfall map size will be huge not as big as GT5 or Assassin Creed Odyssey
But it believe to be a huge open world
There is video by the way

I saw the vídeo.

Sorry....the world doesn't seems HUGE at all.

But this is the issue with you using words like Mega AAA or Huge open world. Just drop it.

I wouldn't put this game at same category as Starfield or forza, this doesn't mean it's not going to be a quality game tho.

 

[Craig of War]

I saw the vídeo.

Sorry....the world doesn't seems HUGE at all.

But this is the issue with you using words like Mega AAA or Huge open world. Just drop it.

I wouldn't put this game at same category as Starfield or forza, this doesn't mean it's not going to be a quality game tho.

Mega means imply big same with huge
There is nothing wrong with my wording

Im telling you now the open world it might not look big
But it is bigger than any Game world Sony has ever made believe me

 

[EightC]

I like where Xbox is at right now personally I think they have a good thing going with Game pass. The one thing though that keeps me from going with Xbox as my main console would be the lack of Japanese support. Although they are getting some more games lately they just don't have the games I want to play the most.Most of my recent purchases have only been on PS4/PS5 and I wish Xbox had them but unfortunately not unless it's the typical year exclusive.

I think though Game pass is incredible. I've tried and found many new games thanks to it and the cross Xbox/PC capabilities are really nice and have certainly change my buying habits for sure. I find it hard to justify buying a lot of games simply because they're on game pass. From a game studio side I do really think they need someone in charge of their first party studios overseeing everything because right now it really feels like the wild west. Sony really have a solid grip on this and their first party output is always solid and handled very well.

I still think MS is going in a good direction and I'm interested to see what comes of some of their upcoming first party games.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Mega means imply big same with huge
There is nothing wrong with my wording

Then you say:

"Redfall map size will be huge not as big as GT5 or Assassin Creed Odyssey"

So, is not going to be huge.

Im telling you now the open world it might not look big

Big ≠ as huge.

Red fall does not look huge at all.

But it is bigger than any Game world Sony has ever made

Horizon FW Is way bigger than Redfall. In several levels of magnitude. Horizon FW is an actual Mega AAA game.

Redfall looks like Second Son Big. So kinda big but way smaller that Horizon

believe me

Are you the same guy that absolutely believed Sarfield was not going to be delayed?.

 

[Craig of War]

Then you say:

"Redfall map size will be huge not as big as GT5 or Assassin Creed Odyssey"

So, is not going to be huge.


Big ≠ as huge.

Red fall does not look huge at all.


Horizon FW Is way bigger than Redfall. In several levels of magnitude. Horizon FW is an actual Mega AAA game.

Redfall looks like Second Son Big. So kinda big but way smaller that Horizon

Are you the same guy that absolutely believed Sarfield was not going to be delayed?.

I believe Redfall map is like the same size as Fallout76 map or even bigger
It is not a small map im the Xbox expert guy hear i know this things trust me lol

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I believe Redfall map is like the same size as Fallout76 map or even bigger
It is not a small map im the Xbox expert guy hear i know this things trust me lol