Cultural appropriation, revision of history or just appreciation of the culture. What are your thoughts on Yasuke in the new Assassin's Creed.

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My guy bookings are revenue, they did not post any operating income or profits. Ubisoft has been in losses for most of the last decade. I don't know why you want to die on this hill atleast shill for a decent publisher
 

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Are you projecting or something?

Most people I see complaining about a black main character in AC Shadows have specifically mentioned Bayek in Origins and Aveline in Liberation as good examples of where to put black main characters - because their ethnicity made sense in their games' respective setting, just like every other AC game released so far.
Did you see any complaints about Bayek and Aveline when those games originally released?

Or rather, why are you so adamant in strawmaning? Is this like an achievement, to insult other people calling them racists? Or are you just ragebaiting?





You do so without sUbVeRtInG eXpEcTaTiOnS, but that's the wrong question. The right question is:

- Why did the most anticipated Assassin's Creed setting (feudal Japan) have to bring a black samurai and a female ninja warrior (both of which never existed)?
(oops, I guess @anonpuffs is now going to accuse me of hating on women as well)
Bayek is one of my most liked characters ever.
 
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Why did the most anticipated Assassin's Creed setting (feudal Japan) have to bring a black samurai and a female ninja warrior (both of which never existed)?

Agreed. I'd rather them including Valhalla, flaming horses, eagle vision, you know, those things that are very REAL and HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
 

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My guy bookings are revenue, they did not post any operating income or profits. Ubisoft has been in losses for most of the last decade. I don't know why you want to die on this hill atleast shill for a decent publisher
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I don't understand why certain ppls views have to be like a definitive and ppl aren't open to other opinions. Then it turns into oh I know why ppl feel this way and assuming either ppl are racist coming with tht victim stance or the opposite ppl are shoe horning things in out of an agenda. Tht narrow mindness creates messed up discourse. I can sit down and knowing the times we are living in now understand both valid points. I give two shits if someone believes it shoe horned in or another feels it's not and has nothing to do with inclusivity. I just read the comments and understand the views as long as they are conveyed respectfully.

Opinion number 1

Ubisoft chose this character because it's fiction and wanted to entice ppl and follow a trend but doesn't matter as it's a game and developers do that and thts OK. Has nothing to do with race (valid).

Opinion 2

Nah I think they are pandering and following the inclusive wave. They are changing the history of a person tht existed but wasn't the person they are portraying (valid)

Both valid takes without having to insinuate forum goers are racist or the opposite.
 

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Great thanks for proving my point Ubislop has been in losses for the better part of a decade, they made a cool 160 million in profit with lets see a nearly 500 million in loss the previous year, nice business (y)
 

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Agreed. I'd rather them including Valhalla, flaming horses, eagle vision, you know, those things that are very REAL and HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.

You want the Assassin's Creed set in feudal Japan to have a black protagonist because the previous games had flaming horses?

All the supernatural beasts in the Assassin's Creed games are synthetic creations, mutants developed by the Isu to strike fear into the population to subjugate it.
Are you implying Yasuke is in fact a synthetic mutant created by the Isu?


Boy, talk about changing goalposts.
 

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Great thanks for proving my point Ubislop has been in losses for the better part of a decade, they made a cool 160 million in profit with lets see a nearly 500 million in loss the previous year, nice business (y)
No sir, that was/were not your point(s). Let me remind you.

Both those statements were false
they did not post any operating income or profits.

And this statement is also false.
Ubisoft has been in losses for most of the last decade
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(I verified the last 4 years and the numbers match, they have sources, all should be correct)
 

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You want the Assassin's Creed set in feudal Japan to have a black protagonist because the previous games had flaming horses?
I don't give a shit if the protagonist is black, white, yellow, blue, or grey. Yasuke is an actual historical character that was in the inner circle of a very important daimyō.

All the supernatural beasts in the Assassin's Creed games are synthetic creations, mutants developed by the Isu to strike fear into the population to subjugate it.
How is that even remotely addressing my point?

Are you implying Yasuke is in fact a synthetic mutant created by the Isu?
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Boy, talk about changing goalposts.
No moving of goalposts, sir. I simply pointed out in a very sarcastic manner that you're very upset that a BLACK Samurai (Yasuke being a Samurai is disputed) is represented in a fantasy game where there are flaming horses, eagle vision... And as a bonus, I'll add minotaurs, and Atlantis!
 
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Ahh fuck. I was hoping these new games were screwing them over and they were gonna go back to a more traditional assassin experience.
 

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I don't give a shit if the protagonist is black, white, yellow, blue, or grey.

What you write in this sentence and how you post are completely opposites, though.
Anyone reading your posts in this thread will notice how important it is to you for the protagonist on this Assassin's Creed set in feudal Japan to be black.
Why?


Yasuke is an actual historical character that was in the inner circle of a very important daimyō.
Lol, define "being in the inner circle". Oda Nobunaga brought him around to carry his stuff. There's nothing in historical documents that even suggest he was part of any kind of decision making or was given any responsibility.

There are only two written testimonies of Yasuke: a couple of paragraphs the chronicles of Luis Fróis in Portuguese (which is still pretty much readable nowadays, so I did) and a couple pages in the chronicles of Oda Nobunaga (written 16 years after he died and Yasuke was sent away never to be heard of again).

Both accounts only describe Yasuke (probably japanization of the Portuguese name Isaque / Isaac) as being black, big and strong, doing some tricks, Nobunaga talking to him and them bringing him to parade around town like a pet to show off to the populace and his visitors. At some point he was given a small house and a short sword like all retainers. When Nobunaga committed seppukku his son deemed Yasuke unfit for that honor because he was "a beast" so they sent him to the nearest Jesuit temple. There's nothing more of relevance about the character.

Everything historical about Yasuke amounts to little more than a page of text. The inner circle and the samurai parts were made up by Thomas Lockley, who wrote a fictional book out of that page.
And Lockley's book isn't even that original. Most of what Lockley wrote about Yasuke is pretty much a copy of what James Clavell wrote for his own character John Blackthorne.

In good reality, people are being victims of a disinformation campaign that consists of turning a black man that existed into a fictional character that was copied from another fictional character which is based on a white guy that existed.

All this out of White Guilt.
 

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What you write in this sentence and how you post are completely opposites, though.
Anyone reading your posts in this thread will notice how important it is to you for the protagonist on this Assassin's Creed set in feudal Japan to be black.
Why?



Lol, define "being in the inner circle". Oda Nobunaga brought him around to carry his stuff. There's nothing in historical documents that even suggest he was part of any kind of decision making or was given any responsibility.

There are only two written testimonies of Yasuke: a couple of paragraphs the chronicles of Luis Fróis in Portuguese (which is still pretty much readable nowadays, so I did) and a couple pages in the chronicles of Oda Nobunaga (written 16 years after he died and Yasuke was sent away never to be heard of again).

Both accounts only describe Yasuke (probably japanization of the Portuguese name Isaque / Isaac) as being black, big and strong, doing some tricks, Nobunaga talking to him and them bringing him to parade around town like a pet to show off to the populace and his visitors. At some point he was given a small house and a short sword like all retainers. When Nobunaga committed seppukku his son deemed Yasuke unfit for that honor because he was "a beast" so they sent him to the nearest Jesuit temple. There's nothing more of relevance about the character.

Everything historical about Yasuke amounts to little more than a page of text. The inner circle and the samurai parts were made up by Thomas Lockley, who wrote a fictional book out of that page.
And Lockley's book isn't even that original. Most of what Lockley wrote about Yasuke is pretty much a copy of what James Clavell wrote for his own character John Blackthorne.

In good reality, people are being victims of a disinformation campaign that consists of turning a black man that existed into a fictional character that was copied from another fictional character which is based on a white guy that existed.

All this out of White Guilt.
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Anyone reading your posts in this thread will notice how important it is to you for the protagonist on this Assassin's Creed set in feudal Japan to be black.
Why?
Nope, it's not. The protagonist could be a gender fluid furry for all I care. And congratulations on another Strawman, my lawn will be bird free for a while!

There are only two written testimonies of Yasuke: a couple of paragraphs the chronicles of Luis Fróis in Portuguese (which is still pretty much readable nowadays, so I did) and a couple pages in the chronicles of Oda Nobunaga (written 16 years after he died and Yasuke was sent away never to be heard of again).
  1. not "Chronicles of Luis Fróis. It's "Historia de Japam" in old Portuguese, or "Japan's History" in English.
  2. Indeed in the Ōta Gyūichi's Shinchō Kōki
  3. also on Matsudaira Ietada Nikki
  4. Histoire de l'église du Japon
  5. and finally Histoire Ecclesiastique Des Isles Et Royaumes Du Japon
Since you're a fan of reading books you don't know the title of, and of cherry picking screenshots of wikipedia edits, you should look at some page from like, say, 2014?

Both accounts only describe Yasuke (probably japanization of the Portuguese name Isaque / Isaac) as being black, big and strong, doing some tricks, Nobunaga talking to him and them bringing him to parade around town like a pet to show off to the populace and his visitor

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Fuckin hell, just SAY IT.

In good reality, people are being victims of a disinformation campaign that consists of turning a black man that existed into a fictional character that was copied from another fictional character which is based on a white guy that existed.

All this out of White Guilt.

Holy fuck 😂 that just went full circle.
 
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At some point he was given a small house and a short sword like all retainers.

Yeah, this big, black, dumb pet was given a house and a sword, as Japanese feudal lords did. God damn!

It's funny, however, that you seem to be very adamant that this BLACK RETAINER PET is some sort of very recent woke product of someone's imagination when this JAPANESE wikipedia page from 2009 already describes him as a Samurai.

 

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Do better by writing excellent characters, not focusing on the color of their skin and making that their entire personality.
Fuck yeah. Funny that some people (not you) sometimes say or agree with stuff like this and then become upset because Angrboda was black :D

Give me male Japanese Zimbabwean warrior, Redhead Congolese Bad ass, PAWG North Korean / Indonesian Karen, wtv.
 

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I think the drama is idiotic.
While I realize ubisoft didn't do this for creativity, I do believe in colorizing or changing history to make better game or movie.
The last samurai stares tom cruise ffs. Batman is a ninja. In Kill Bill a chinese master teaches an american woman.

The best stories are made with unlikely scenarios.
This could be an awesome martic Scorsese movie about black slave getting up the ranks and becoming a samurai.
Sure, he wasn't really ranked as Samurai but maybe he did fight? Maybe he is not TITLED Samurai in the game too but does the same job essentially.

Also. Black Samurai is fucking awesome concept all because of this:

I am tired of dramas with each new game. Every single one.
If we keep making only "usa men in usa setting" Polish men in polish games" "Japanese men in samurai games".... then media can die altogether right now.