Digital Foundry: PlayStation has an "exclusive of sorts for RDNA5 on handhelds"

[Yrassinad]

Sony doesn't even have any PS6 or PS handheld exclusives, everything will be on PS5.
That's never gonna stand a chance against 3D Mario and Pokemon, real Switch 2 exclusives.

Not that I disagree that the PS handheld won't make a meaningful dent against Nintendo but this is some dumb logic. Everything being on PS5 is not an issue because the PS5 is not portable and this thing will be. What matters vs Nintendo is what games it has vs Nintendo, not if the games on it are 100% exclusive to that SKU. It'll have Sony's own games as well as dozens of third party games that are skipping Switch 2 as well as the hundreds that have skipped it already over the last 13 years.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Comparing Switch 2 to PS6 handheld is like comparing PS4 to PS5. They are a gen apart. Some Switch 2 games looks like something from 1990's.

 

[Eleczoro]

Comparing Switch 2 to PS6 handheld is like comparing PS4 to PS5. They are a gen apart. Some Switch 2 games looks like something from 1990's.

Correct but keep in mind this held true for DS vs PSP and 3DS vs Vita as well.

 

[Polystation]

Correct but keep in mind this held true for DS vs PSP and 3DS vs Vita as well.

Comparing a potential PS6 handheld to the PSP or Vita completely ignores how much the industry has changed.

The PSP and Vita were separate platforms that required dedicated games, development resources, and third-party support. A PS6 handheld could simply extend the existing PlayStation ecosystem, sharing its software library, development pipeline, and massive third-party support, thanks to scalable engines and modern upscaling technologies.

Sony wouldn't need to build another platform or convince publishers to support one. It would simply make PlayStation portable.

And frankly, every competitor should feel threatened by that proposition. Nintendo would face a portable PlayStation backed by one of the industry's strongest software ecosystems, while Microsoft would face yet another challenge to its hardware ambitions.

This isn't another PSP or Vita. It's potentially PlayStation's entire ecosystem entering the handheld market, and that's a completely different ballgame.

 

[Yrassinad]

Comparing a potential PS6 handheld to the PSP or Vita completely ignores how much the industry has changed.

The PSP and Vita were separate platforms that required dedicated games, development resources, and third-party support. A PS6 handheld could simply extend the existing PlayStation ecosystem, sharing its software library, development pipeline, and massive third-party support, thanks to scalable engines and modern upscaling technologies.

Sony wouldn't need to build another platform or convince publishers to support one. It would simply make PlayStation portable.

And frankly, every competitor should feel threatened by that proposition. Nintendo would face a portable PlayStation backed by one of the industry's strongest software ecosystems, while Microsoft would face yet another challenge to its hardware ambitions.

This isn't another PSP or Vita. It's potentially PlayStation's entire ecosystem entering the handheld market, and that's a completely different ballgame.

Way to miss the point lol. That poster was obviously hinting at the fact that despite the PSP/PS Vita being much more powerful and having higher fidelity graphics than the DS and 3DS, they didn't even come close to beating Nintendo's handhelds which were far weaker. Which Nintendo also had to create and curate games for separately, just like Sony.

 

[JohnnyLove]

I wouldn't be surprised if PS Canis becomes the first mobile device on which we see path tracing/ray tracing at 60FPS

 

[Polystation]

Way to miss the point lol. That poster was obviously hinting at the fact that despite the PSP/PS Vita being much more powerful and having higher fidelity graphics than the DS and 3DS, they didn't even come close to beating Nintendo's handhelds which were far weaker. Which Nintendo also had to create and curate games for separately, just like Sony.

The sad thing for Nintendo is that they've already sacrificed their Plan B: their dedicated handhelds ecosystem. There's no fallback this time if Sony successfully enters their territory with a PS6 handheld.

And history tells us that direct confrontation with the main PlayStation ecosystem has rarely been pleasant for Nintendo. Just look at the N64 vs. PS1, GameCube vs. PS2, and Wii U vs. PS4. Nintendo's biggest successes came when it stopped competing directly with PlayStation and carved out its own space.

Now imagine PlayStation bringing its entire ecosystem into that very space. Nintendo knows exactly what's at stake. lol

 

[Eleczoro]

Way to miss the point lol. That poster was obviously hinting at the fact that despite the PSP/PS Vita being much more powerful and having higher fidelity graphics than the DS and 3DS, they didn't even come close to beating Nintendo's handhelds which were far weaker. Which Nintendo also had to create and curate games for separately, just like Sony.

This and also, along with the actual games, pricing is a major if not one of the most important factors for casuals, the consumerbase that makes up the majority of sales, both of which are a much higher priority for casuals than power. PC handhelds have a similar software ecosystem to PS and as good of a device they are, they are by definition niche devices. We'll see how much the PS6 handheld costs.

The sad thing for Nintendo is that they've already sacrificed their Plan B: their dedicated handhelds ecosystem. There's no fallback this time if Sony successfully enters their territory with a PS6 handheld.

And history tells us that direct confrontation with the main PlayStation ecosystem has rarely been pleasant for Nintendo. Just look at the N64 vs. PS1, GameCube vs. PS2, and Wii U vs. PS4. Nintendo's biggest successes came when it stopped competing directly with PlayStation and carved out its own space.

Now imagine PlayStation bringing its entire ecosystem into that very space. Nintendo knows exactly what's at stake. lol

Nintendo lost to PS when Nintendo tried to compete in power. Other than their Wii U flop, they've won every other time they didn't compete in power. And Nintendo has also never lost with a system that has mainline Pokemon. You claim PS6 handheld would be bringing its entire ecosystem but its entire ecosystem fell significantly short from the Switch. Do you think the PS6 handheld will do significantly better than the PS6 home console? You think PS will shift into becoming a brand that's primarily portable like Nintendo?
I also find it interesting how in hardcore circles like this one, most agree that Switch is Gen 8, not Gen 9, but when it comes to comparing Nintendo Gen 8 vs PS Gen 8 suddenly the Switch is forgotten and it's just the Wii U that's used.

 

[AllBizness]

Kepler did say Sony was the only one allowed to make good handhelds and that their hardware would be using more advanced chip vs the others. It will be interesting to see how that shakes. Ps handheld being the only one with rdna 5 in 27 is anti consumer - headline -

You should realize Sony is the only 1 that can meet AMD's custom cpu demands of 10 million order minimum. This is the reason PS6 handheld has RDNA5 exclusivity in handhelds. PlayStation is the only company that can guarantee 10 million dales or more with their handheld.

 

[heroeskillrats]

There were no sales for you to talk about.

lol. This is all about next-gen and it's Nintendo vs Sony. Xbox will barely even be a factor.

Looks like people in the uk dont want COD on Switch.

Yeah nobody wants code in a box which is the Playstation future.

Everything being on PS5 is not an issue because the PS5 is not portable and this thing will be.

Consoles are mass market products and if people can already play everything on PS5 and just buy Switch 2 it freaking matters.
In fact it's never happened before in console history, that's why I'm extremely skeptical how they're going to market their consoles.

What matters vs Nintendo is what games it has vs Nintendo, not if the games on it are 100% exclusive to that SKU. It'll have Sony's own games as well as dozens of third party games that are skipping Switch 2 as well as the hundreds that have skipped it already over the last 13 years.

It's just pointless to talk to you because you deny all the shit that's already there and then say anything that's missing temporarily is "skipping" the platform which is so retarded, man.

 

[Yrassinad]

The sad thing for Nintendo is that they've already sacrificed their Plan B: their dedicated handhelds ecosystem. There's no fallback this time if Sony successfully enters their territory with a PS6 handheld.

And history tells us that direct confrontation with the main PlayStation ecosystem has rarely been pleasant for Nintendo. Just look at the N64 vs. PS1, GameCube vs. PS2, and Wii U vs. PS4. Nintendo's biggest successes came when it stopped competing directly with PlayStation and carved out its own space.

Now imagine PlayStation bringing its entire ecosystem into that very space. Nintendo knows exactly what's at stake. lol

Handhelds have been Nintendo's plan A all the time lol. And Sony is not going to make a real impact on the handheld territory. You're talking about historical confrontations of Nintendo and PlayStation and completely gloss over how PlayStation got smoked in the handheld space by Nintendo on 2/2 of their attempts.

It's not as simple as just making a handheld that plays all the games that come out, if that was the case Steam Deck would've been more successful. Nintendo designs games with the hybrid nature of their system in mind, something PlayStation and most third parties are never going to do.

How many people genuinely want to play massive budget AAA cinematic games on a handheld? Those experiences are better reserved for a home setup. But people will definitely want to play stuff like Pokemon or Animal Crossing on the go.

Yeah nobody wants code in a box which is the Playstation future.

Yes because people will rather just buy the digital version outright vs CIAB. People not buying CIAB doesn't mean no one is buying the game in general.

Consoles are mass market products and if people can already play everything on PS5 and just buy Switch 2 it freaking matters.
In fact it's never happened before in console history, that's why I'm extremely skeptical how they're going to market their consoles.

Again, no one who was going to buy a PS6 if it could launch at a normal price is going to buy a Switch 2 instead. It won't deliver the same stuff. Someone who wants to play games that are only on PlayStation on the go cannot buy a PS5 instead, they'll have to get the PS6 handheld. What do you mean it's never happened before in console history? This is such a dumb argument coming from the guy who constantly argues that being able to take third party games on the go somehow offsets the much worse performance and image quality.

It's just pointless to talk to you because you deny all the shit that's already there and then say anything that's missing temporarily is "skipping" the platform which is so retarded, man.

It's only pointless to talk to me because I speak about reality while you are constantly talking as if the fantasy world you've constructed in your head is actually real. There are hundreds of games that are on PlayStation but not on Nintendo. And when we're talking about stuff "missing temporarily", just because something might eventually release on Switch 3 doesn't mean it has any bearing on what happens between Switch 2 and PS6 handheld.

 

[Thirty7ven]

You should realize Sony is the only 1 that can meet AMD's custom cpu demands of 10 million order minimum. This is the reason PS6 handheld has RDNA5 exclusivity in handhelds. PlayStation is the only company that can guarantee 10 million dales or more with their handheld.

Yes this is all because AMD had no plans to make a mobile class RDNA5 chip, and they have a pretty high volume demand for semi custom designs. It’s why Helix is off shelf and their handheld too is off shelf. The problem for Xbox and Steam is that if they want off shelf they are tied to AMDs plans exclusively.

Ton of cope already in that resetera thread, along with the customary idiots who can’t put two and two together but what can you do.

 

[Kokoloko]

The sad thing for Nintendo is that they've already sacrificed their Plan B: their dedicated handhelds ecosystem. There's no fallback this time if Sony successfully enters their territory with a PS6 handheld.

And history tells us that direct confrontation with the main PlayStation ecosystem has rarely been pleasant for Nintendo. Just look at the N64 vs. PS1, GameCube vs. PS2, and Wii U vs. PS4. Nintendo's biggest successes came when it stopped competing directly with PlayStation and carved out its own space.

Now imagine PlayStation bringing its entire ecosystem into that very space. Nintendo knows exactly what's at stake. lol

Sony is re entering a portable market as an add on mission, after constantly selling 100+ units each gen.
Nintendo already abandoned the consoles/modern gen market and trying to keep up with Sony on the home console front. Why they release weaker gaming devices.

Technically both Sony and Valve are venturing out with their handhelds while Sony dominated the home Console space and Valve the PC side.

Nintendon is the one defending their market now, handhelds and hybrids. And they should win, but others will take a piece of the pie bit by bit. If Sony sells 100-110m consoles and then 20-30 million handhelds, they are already doing better.

Luckily Nintendo did a good last gen cementing themselves more.
Huge game sales, record breaking for their IPs, like Zelda and Animal crossing.
Theme parks and movie success has cemented them pretty well. So they will always probably have some success if priced well and reasonable expectations (like Switch 2 isnt gonna sell like Switch 1 and DS with that price point)

Nintendo's success is relied on cheaper retail price for commercial fans. Their hardcore fans are probably less than even Xbox. Consoles like Gamecube, Wii U showed they dont always show up.

Unlike Sony's, which there worst selling home console (PS3) still comfortably outselling majority of Nintendo consoles and all Xbox consoles. Numbers dont lie

I still expect Nintendo to sell more handhelds, and dominate Japan. But if Sony gets the price, marketing and games right, this will be a bigger issue for Nintendo then PSP and Vita.

This has the controls and library to be very different for Sony. Nothing like the PSP or Vita. This will have GTA6, Spiderman 3, GT8, Resident Evil 10, God of War Remake, plus the best place to play 3rd party on the go.

Nintendo I think will still sell 100m if they drop the price and start releasing Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Mario games etc

 

[heroeskillrats]

Again, no one who was going to buy a PS6 if it could launch at a normal price is going to buy a Switch 2 instead. It won't deliver the same stuff.

"if it could launch at a normal price"
Completely delusional to say people aren't going to buy the console they can afford. People aren't going to sit and ignore gaming for 7-8 years just because Xbox/PS are too expensive

It's only pointless to talk to me because I speak about reality while you are constantly talking as if the fantasy world you've constructed in your head is actually real. There are hundreds of games that are on PlayStation but not on Nintendo. And when we're talking about stuff "missing temporarily", just because something might eventually release on Switch 3 doesn't mean it has any bearing on what happens between Switch 2 and PS6 handheld.

You thinking this is about Switch 3 says it all. Delulu.

Nintendon is the one defending their market now, handhelds and hybrids. And they should win, but others will take a piece of the pie bit by bit. If Sony sells 100-110m consoles and then 20-30 million handhelds, they are already doing better.

You have it backwards though. With third party support it's like Nintendo is attacking Xbox/PS which is their main selling point.

I still expect Nintendo to sell more handhelds, and dominate Japan. But if Sony gets the price, marketing and games right, this will be a bigger issue for Nintendo then PSP and Vita.

Price? No way to fix.
Marketing? People can lose interest from seeing the price tags.
Get the games right? What does that even mean?

This has the controls and library to be very different for Sony. Nothing like the PSP or Vita. This will have GTA6, Spiderman 3, GT8, Resident Evil 10, God of War Remake, plus the best place to play 3rd party on the go.

If third parties think it's gonna flop why would they support it in the first place?
GTA 6 will be on PC handhelds before PS handheld is even out and most likely GTA 6 on Switch 2 as well.
Third parties risk nothing by just taking a wait and see approach which is what most did with Switch 1.

 

[Yrassinad]

"if it could launch at a normal price"
Completely delusional to say people aren't going to buy the console they can afford. People aren't going to sit and ignore gaming for 7-8 years just because Xbox/PS are too expensive

Can you read? I'm saying people who would've bought a PS6 if it launched at the normal price they were targeting won't buy it now. But they're not gonna get a Switch 2 instead. They don't need to sit and ignore gaming for 7 years. The PS5 and XBS are still there and will have better third party support than Switch 2 and run all those games far better.

You thinking this is about Switch 3 says it all. Delulu

No, it's called being realistic. You should try it sometime. A reasonable person can look at GTA6, the fact that they're targeting 30 FPS even on PS5/XBS and draw the conclusion that yeah... this game ain't happening on Switch 2 and best case scenario it'll land on Switch 3. But even that's not guaranteed as we can see with GTA5's total absence on Nintendo hardware.

You have it backwards though. With third party support it's like Nintendo is attacking Xbox/PS which is their main selling point.

Those platforms do not have equal third party support, and even in cases where they do people prefer to play these games on PS hardware 9/10 times.

If third parties think it's gonna flop why would they support it in the first place?
GTA 6 will be on PC handhelds before PS handheld is even out and most likely GTA 6 on Switch 2 as well.
Third parties risk nothing by just taking a wait and see approach which is what most did with Switch 1.

Because they're not going to stop publishing on PS5 which automatically puts those games on PS6 and the handheld. Goddamn you really are retarded if you think third parties were going to only support PS6 and will somehow pull out of PlayStation in its entirety if PS6 sales are underwhelming.

 

[heroeskillrats]

They don't need to sit and ignore gaming for 7 years.

Yrass you're saying people are just gonna ignore exclusives that sell 10-70m+ just because you want Sony to win again. You're delusional.

Because they're not going to stop publishing on PS5 which automatically puts those games on PS6 and the handheld.

Yeah I'm sure that's why Sony was complaining nobody was supporting the handheld before, Yrass.

 

[Yrassinad]

Yrass you're saying people are just gonna ignore exclusives that sell 10-70m+ just because you want Sony to win again. You're delusional.

Dude, they've been ignoring them before and will continue ignoring them. Between PS, Xbox and PC there are WAY more consumers than on Nintendo and since Nintendo never put their games elsewhere, it's safe to assume they just don't care about them. Or if they do, they might get the console as a side piece, something you repeatedly refuse to believe because you have this delusion that Nintendo will somehow become the go-to platform for everything and make everything else obsolete.

10-70m is a massive and retarded range btw, and many Sony games fall into it as well as a result lmao.

Also I want Sony to win "again"? So they won before? Glad to see you finally admit it. But no, I really don't care who the fuck wins as long as it's not Xbox. I've played on PC, PS and Nintendo throughout my life and really couldn't give a damn who comes out on top. I'd rather have Nintendo win than the other two because they still support physical media but unlike you I can be realistic and not set myself up for disappointment.

Yeah I'm sure that's why Sony was complaining nobody was supporting the handheld before, Yrass.

Why are you being so dumb? DS, 3DS, PSP and Vita all were separate systems with completely different releases compared to their home console counterparts. Switch and Switch 2 unified the entire development pipeline and release output under a single system. Everything on Switch 1 runs on Switch 2. Sony will do the same except they'll have two separate SKUs, much like Xbox did with Series S and Series X. The PS6 handheld will automatically have everything on PS4, PS5 and PS6 and won't require whole separate development pipeline like the PSP and Vita did. Anything that releases on PS5, meaning pretty much every non-Nintendo game, will run on the PS6 handheld.

Also Sony themselves chose to give up on the Vita because they correctly saw Xbox as the bigger threat than Nintendo and poured their resources into fighting the home console battle instead of trying to fight over handhelds which at that point of time were a risky bet with the rise of smartphone gaming.

 

[heroeskillrats]

Dude, they've been ignoring them before and will continue ignoring them.

"Then why games on Nintendo console, grug."
And the other cavemen were astonished by his reasoning and logic.

Or if they do, they might get the console as a side piece, something you repeatedly refuse to believe because you have this delusion that Nintendo will somehow become the go-to platform for everything and make everything else obsolete.

You mean by outselling Playstation again? Because that would be the "somehow"

Why are you being so dumb? DS, 3DS, PSP and Vita all were separate systems with completely different releases compared to their home console counterparts. Switch and Switch 2 unified the entire development pipeline and release output under a single system. Everything on Switch 1 runs on Switch 2. Sony will do the same except they'll have two separate SKUs, much like Xbox did with Series S and Series X. The PS6 handheld will automatically have everything on PS4, PS5 and PS6 and won't require whole separate development pipeline like the PSP and Vita did. Anything that releases on PS5, meaning pretty much every non-Nintendo game, will run on the PS6 handheld.

It's not gonna be easier for Sony, man. Vita was way cheaper and actually had exclusives.
Sony's disc situation by itself will cause massive issues because a digital only handheld ain't gonna support that.

Also Sony themselves chose to give up on the Vita because they correctly saw Xbox as the bigger threat than Nintendo and poured their resources into fighting the home console battle instead of trying to fight over handhelds which at that point of time were a risky bet with the rise of smartphone gaming.

Assuming Microsoft was smart was Sony's first mistake.

 

[Yrassinad]

"Then why games on Nintendo console, grug."
And the other cavemen were astonished by his reasoning and logic.

No one is saying Nintendo has no third party games. But to insinuate they're getting all of them and have release parity with PS, Xbox and PC is straight up retarded.

You mean by outselling Playstation again? Because that would be the "somehow"

We've been over this before. You refuse to understand the basics of economics and luxury products vs mass market products. If Nintendo could get Sony's financial results by having a smaller install base, they would go for that in a heartbeat. One platform makes noticeably more money, has much more influence in the industry it's operating in, has more active users. But you'll still come in here and repeat stupid "but what about console unit sales" arguments.

It's not gonna be easier for Sony, man. Vita was way cheaper and actually had exclusives.
Sony's disc situation by itself will cause massive issues because a digital only handheld ain't gonna support that.

What massive issues man? The majority of people buy digital games these days as much as that saddens me. Even on Nintendo we're now looking at almost a 50/50 split between physical and digital sales.

Also imagine thinking Vita having "exclusives" was making its life easier than the PS6 handheld literally having 14 years of nearly every third party release + every Sony exclusive playable on it.

Assuming Microsoft was smart was Sony's first mistake.

Nope, they made the right call. After dominating so hard that they literally controlled 80% of the home console market against not one, but just two competitors, they slid back down to 50% against a single competitor and the only reason it wasn't even lower than that was because they evaporated all the profits they made in the first two gens and used Sony's other businesses to subsidize massive losses needed to sell the console. And in the early 2010s, when it was not unfathomable to think that handheld gaming would get totally usurped by smartphone gaming, they decided to focus on the home console market instead of fighting a battle for handhelds that were far less profitable products and just giving Xbox the home console market for free.

Now they pretty much have the home console market to themselves, and when massive launches like GTA6 happen they are almost exclusively the beneficiaries of it. And despite how much it must trigger you, it looks like Sony is going to be encroaching on Nintendo's territory while there are zero indications Nintendo is planning to do the same to Sony.

 

[heroeskillrats]

But to insinuate they're getting all of them and have release parity with PS, Xbox and PC is straight up retarded.

I'm just saying you'll deny it even when it happens, just like you ignore the third parties that are already there.

One platform makes noticeably more money

Nintendo got way better profit margin and with gained third party support obviously they'll make way more money. You're just repeating things that's been debunked a billion times.

has more active users

Tens of millions that aren't even from their consoles or merely using services for all we know.

Also imagine thinking Vita having "exclusives" was making its life easier than the PS6 handheld literally having 14 years of nearly every third party release + every Sony exclusive playable on it.

Exclusives is like the one thing we know can guaranteed sell consoles.
Having everything on PS5 means people won't even have to buy new HW to play the new games....

and the only reason it wasn't even lower than that was because they evaporated all the profits they made in the first two gens and used Sony's other businesses to subsidize massive losses needed to sell the console

Which is what I've been saying. PS6 and PS handheld flopping means Sony is never gonna make the PS3 mistake again.

Now they pretty much have the home console market to themselves, and when massive launches like GTA6 happen they are almost exclusively the beneficiaries of it. And despite how much it must trigger you, it looks like Sony is going to be encroaching on Nintendo's territory while there are zero indications Nintendo is planning to do the same to Sony.

Here's that delulu talk again. "Magically they're in different realms." "Also it doesn't matter everything's coming to Switch 2."
"But Sony's flop will totally change the game." Same BS with every post you make.