SuperPotato
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Take a look in the mirror.
Nintendo making a high end console (like you think they are) isn't a magical solution either, yet you keep having this fantasy in your head where third parties will drop Sony in favour of Nintendo.
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Digital Foundry: PlayStation has an "exclusive of sorts for RDNA5 on handhelds"
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Take a look in the mirror.
Nintendo making a high end console (like you think they are) isn't a magical solution either, yet you keep having this fantasy in your head where third parties will drop Sony in favour of Nintendo.
Because it's not way superior lmao. Someone who primarily cares about third party releases will not only get more of them on a PS handheld, but they will also run at much better settings.
Form factor wise it's an unknown, but looking at the Portal it'll likely also be much more ergonomic and pleasant to hold.
Someone who cares about Sony's first party games, which may not be as popular as Nintendo's but still very popular in their own right, will not be able to get those on Nintendo. Someone who already owns a PS library because they've been on PS as a teenager/college student who now has to fight over a TV with their spouse or kids would benefit greatly from being able to continue playing in a handheld format. In the past Nintendo would be the only feasible option for someone like that, but by creating a handheld that same person won't need to leave the PS ecosystem.
You used to argue hybrid is superior over home console too, but now you're coping and arguing Nintendo should make a home console lol. You're just mad nothing is realistically going to shift in the market and PlayStation launching a handheld will help to further entrench their users because once it's out there, the only thing Nintendo can offer those customers that they don't already have is Nintendo games which they likely don't care about (if they did, they wouldn't be on PlayStation). Which is pretty funny for someone who has convinced themselves Nintendo has already won.
Nintendo has spent literal decades making console/handheld games and you think Sony can do something. Sony got zero advantages
Great, now go look up Metroid 4 and Pokemon ZA scores and compare those to Spiderman 2 or Astrobot.
You act like Sony never had a high scoring game before and that Nintendo never had flops.
Might be one of the dumbest things ive heard on here.
You mean the same Nintendo that lost its dominance in Home Consoles when Sony and its "zero advantages" came along.
The same Nintendo who got beaten so many times by Sony in the home console space, it had to stay back a generation or 2 so they because they couldnt compete in the same area.
This isnt a handheld only or Vita. Its the whole ecosystem, and if its gonna sell anything like the PS4 or PS5 it will do well. And then take some of that handheld pie Nintendo relies its lifeline on.
Sony beating Nintendo on their first try and then beating them again a second time (so badly that Nintendo had to rethink its console strategy) doesn't count. Actually, Nintendo let them win because they felt sorry for Sony after the CD addon fiasco.
Ocarina of Time is going to destroy GTA 6 btw. R* won't have any other choice but to release a Switch 2 version (along with RDR2) because PS5 sales will crater come January 2028. Every Playstation owner will make the switch (pun intended) because all games released on Nintendo are 100% full physical.
Also, have you heard that Nintendo is working on a next gen home console?
Physical was one of Sony's biggest strengths and they gave that up
I love Nintendo and I think there is plenty room for both of them. Because Nintendo is always gonna have its fans. Ill buy their next device too.
But it is Sony again, after securing their home console place unanimously, and now going into Nintendo’s last lane. Theres nothing for Sony to lose, they just have to take a piece of the pie. While Nintendo has it all to lose.
Not saying Nintendo will lose it all, but they need to keep their numbers up it as much as possible. Nintendo is gonna be relying on their 1st party completely again, because Sony is gonna be the better place to play 3rd party on a handheld or console, and they have they own 1st party too.
Nintendo cant and wont challenge Sony in the home console new gen space. They are comfortable staying a bit behind and having cheaper development and costs for hardware. It would be suicide again and they know it. The fans know it too.
Sony just needs to sell 20-30 million extra units and that will beat there previous consoles and maybe even the PS2. All depends on price of course and marketing
Nintendo just need to focus on their lane, Heavy 1st party, theme parks, movies, toys and fanfare. They market very well in Japan.
As for OOT. Love the game top 10-15 of mine, but its never gonna do anything like GTA6 lol. I will help sell some units, but with GTA6 coming, Nintendo will have to wait till there Mario, mainline Zelda, Animal Crossing or Pokemon to start there bigger hardware sales
Why are you comparing OOT vs Wolverine? As if these are the only games these two companies have. Nintendo also released some sub 80 games this year, and PlayStation has released their own share of 95+ MC games.
I only bring up the Wii U to show that A) Nintendo IP can't carry a bad product and B) that it performed so bad that they had to replace the whole thing mid-gen with another gen 8 console: the Switch 1.
Nintendo wasn't even competing anymore that gen. Are you seriously acting like the $200 console that grandmas bought to do fitness on was competing directly with the PS3/360? The Wii was a huge success but not because it convinced the people who bought PS2s the gen before to swap back to Nintendo. It attracted completely new customers, customers that didn't stuck around once the gimmick wore off. The only reason it "won" by console unit sales numbers was because the actual high-end home console audience was split exactly 50/50 between the PS3/360. If either of these consoles had been more dominant, both of them would've easily outsold the Wii.
Nintendo was warning that chasing graphics was a mistake? It just further illustrates Nintendo has no pull, despite you believing they are/were the market leader, because all third parties went ahead with chasing graphics anyway and made bank doing so.
No one is saying PS3 was a huge success btw. PS3 was a disastrous gen that they managed to salvage midway through (something Nintendo couldn't do with the Wii U). And obviously it cost Sony a bunch of money. All it shows is that your fantasies where Sony just completely abandons the sub $1000 console market and sits back as Nintendo takes over the entire industry from underneath them will never be in the cards. They burned through billions to maintain a grip even after they had only lost 50% of their market share. And that was when gaming wasn't even their core business vertical.
Adjusted for inflation it's not gonna be much worse than the PS3 and in this day and age it's not going to be entirely self inflicted like PS3's price point was. Everyone can see around them that ALL electronics have jumped up in price like crazy. People are reasonable enough to understand that a big chunk of the price point is completely out of their control. This is also why people are accepting a $500 Switch 2.
And beyond that, all this talk doesn't matter because we're not in the 2000s anymore where every generation is a total reset and everyone reconsiders which console they will buy every 7 years as if it's a presidential election. PlayStation is now going to enter its third generation of backwards compatibility. People have hundreds, if not thousands of dollars worth of games built up. That's much harder to leave behind than it was back in the 2000s when you were forced to leave that behind even if you stuck with PlayStation, and where no one really wanted to play old shit anyway because of how big the graphical and technical leap was between them and current gen games. Nowadays games that are 10 years old can sometimes compete with new releases, something unthinkable back then.
You're the only person who views Switch 2 as a gen console instead of a late-to-the-party gen 9 console like normal people.
What? PS2 sold 160 million while PS4, the second best performing PS sold 117 million. Even if PS6 home console by itself reaches PS4 which is extremely unlikely, it'd need 43 million from the PS6 handheld to reach PS2 if you're combining the two.
We dont know the prices yet. They’ve also never sold below 80million. It could launch horribly like PS3 and still not lose a gen like Wii U,Gamecube, N64, did etc. Selling 80m home consoles is Something Nintendo and Xbox struggle to do. Not Sony
But it will depends on price
Playstation can just fall back to what they do, they are expanding, not staying the same. Nintendo doesnt have that luxury, they need handheld sales and they cant afford stronger tech.
Why is Nintendo gonna have to rely more on 1st party. Why do you think Sir?
PS6 is gonna have GTA6, Fifa, Divinity, Witcher 4, RDR3 and play Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Dragon Quest and every 3rd party game way better than Nintendo. Nintendo isnt gonna be the leader for these games on handheld anymore.
Nintendo is going basically unchallenged because theres not much better options for 3rd party. The better option will be PS6 handheld for 3rd party
Switch 2 has a 2 year head start but imo I dont think they are competitions in that same way anymore.
I think they are in their own lanes, but its Sony that is now reentering with a handheld option and looking to expand. So they would expect to add 10-20+ units.
Nintendo isnt doing anything different from last gen.
All depends on price. If they release at a good price and market, they can get there userbase back to 13+million in Japan and add 20-30million extra units for PS4 total. If they dont, then, it could be a slower 80million total. Who knows until the prices reveal
I was going by rough numbers too. We're not doing autistic accuracy to the closest decimal, chill
120m + 20-30 = 140/50 its close to maybe PS2 numbers
Nah you were mentally off
How am I 20million off? More like 13 million max. So your someone who nitpicks about a post they read wrong and then gets their own accuracy wrong...
117m + 30 million = 147. Only 13 away from 160m mr accurate not 20million. This makes you look like an argumentative prick that cant even keep to their own point and accuracy properly...
If you want to be autistic accurate and waste life then its more like I'm maximum 13 million off your imaged number I supposedly said.
Plus all this for overthinking, something I didnt even say, instead of understanding the overall point I made.
Ill say it again:
If PS6 sells 20-30 million more than PS4, it would beat there PREVIOUS CONSOLES, and MAYBE PS2. ( You see that big fucking word spelt MAYBE, do you know what Maybe means?)
Maybe as in it could do more than 30m (because Ive said 10-30+ before) and MAYBE it beats PS2
Never did I say 10-30M is gonna be the same number as PS2 numbers
"While rivals struggled to sell more than a few million copies of their games, Nintendo routinely sold tens of millions."
"It’s also why Sony released the PlayStation Move and Microsoft released the Kinect."
And now we got Sony and Microsoft and other companies copying Nintendo yet again, they're creating new subpar handhelds that can't compete with the real thing.
I don't see third parties doing anything but taking a wait and see approach with PS handheld.
No, the more it sells, the more they like Nintendo because it means their games can sell more and third parties know any game on NS2 means their games will be on Switch 3.
if you think Sony will only sell 10-30 million units, 1 being in Japan. Then have a nice few years in Lala land of wishes that don't come true.
I dont think 3rd party has choose Nintendo for the main release in decades ao thats hilarious to think.
All the big next gen games, will be played best on PS6 and some wont even come to Switch 2
Did you hear the news that GTA6 is coming to Switch because its SECOND best selling console of all time userbase is huge...
Oh yeah they didnt because it cant handle the game.... like many next gen games wont.
Take a look in the mirror.
Nintendo making a high end console (like you think they are) isn't a magical solution either, yet you keep having this fantasy in your head where third parties will drop Sony in favour of Nintendo.
He's not scared, he's buying too much into Nintendo hype while also buying too much into anti-PS FUD.
How many times does it need to be explained that you're embarrassing yourself?
Because it's not way superior lmao. Someone who primarily cares about third party releases will not only get more of them on a PS handheld, but they will also run at much better settings.
Form factor wise it's an unknown, but looking at the Portal it'll likely also be much more ergonomic and pleasant to hold.
Someone who cares about Sony's first party games, which may not be as popular as Nintendo's but still very popular in their own right, will not be able to get those on Nintendo. Someone who already owns a PS library because they've been on PS as a teenager/college student who now has to fight over a TV with their spouse or kids would benefit greatly from being able to continue playing in a handheld format. In the past Nintendo would be the only feasible option for someone like that, but by creating a handheld that same person won't need to leave the PS ecosystem.
You used to argue hybrid is superior over home console too, but now you're coping and arguing Nintendo should make a home console lol. You're just mad nothing is realistically going to shift in the market and PlayStation launching a handheld will help to further entrench their users because once it's out there, the only thing Nintendo can offer those customers that they don't already have is Nintendo games which they likely don't care about (if they did, they wouldn't be on PlayStation). Which is pretty funny for someone who has convinced themselves Nintendo has already won.
Look up review scores for Ocarina of Time vs Wolverine
Nintendo has spent literal decades making console/handheld games and you think Sony can do something. Sony got zero advantages
SuperPotato
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Look up review scores for Ocarina of Time vs Wolverine
Nintendo has spent literal decades making console/handheld games and you think Sony can do something. Sony got zero advantages
Great, now go look up Metroid 4 and Pokemon ZA scores and compare those to Spiderman 2 or Astrobot.
You act like Sony never had a high scoring game before and that Nintendo never had flops.
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Look up review scores for Ocarina of Time vs Wolverine
Nintendo has spent literal decades making console/handheld games and you think Sony can do something. Sony got zero advantages
Might be one of the dumbest things ive heard on here.
You mean the same Nintendo that lost its dominance in Home Consoles when Sony and its "zero advantages" came along.
The same Nintendo who got beaten so many times by Sony in the home console space, it had to stay back a generation or 2 so they because they couldnt compete in the same area.
This isnt a handheld only or Vita. Its the whole ecosystem, and if its gonna sell anything like the PS4 or PS5 it will do well. And then take some of that handheld pie Nintendo relies its lifeline on.
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Sony beating Nintendo on their first try and then beating them again a second time (so badly that Nintendo had to rethink its console strategy) doesn't count. Actually, Nintendo let them win because they felt sorry for Sony after the CD addon fiasco.
Ocarina of Time is going to destroy GTA 6 btw. R* won't have any other choice but to release a Switch 2 version (along with RDR2) because PS5 sales will crater come January 2028. Every Playstation owner will make the switch (pun intended) because all games released on Nintendo are 100% full physical.
Also, have you heard that Nintendo is working on a next gen home console?
Lost dominance? Nintendo has been outselling Playstation. There's a reason why Yrass always goes back to Wii U in all of his cope posts.
Physical was one of Sony's biggest strengths and they gave that up
Nintendo won that generation, mate. Wii/DS. It was the biggest win for Nintendo since NES.You're looking at this with the extreme Sony pony lens because Nintendo was also warning developers that chasing graphics was a mistake, Sony and Microsoft also made that same mistake like most third parties did. Let's not pretend Sony losing billions was good for Sony. It wasn't. And they're never gonna do that shit again which is why PS6 and PS handheld are so interesting how they will approach it, market it, etc.
Yeah I doubt that
I love Nintendo and I think there is plenty room for both of them. Because Nintendo is always gonna have its fans. Ill buy their next device too.
But it is Sony again, after securing their home console place unanimously, and now going into Nintendo’s last lane. Theres nothing for Sony to lose, they just have to take a piece of the pie. While Nintendo has it all to lose.
Not saying Nintendo will lose it all, but they need to keep their numbers up it as much as possible. Nintendo is gonna be relying on their 1st party completely again, because Sony is gonna be the better place to play 3rd party on a handheld or console, and they have they own 1st party too.
Nintendo cant and wont challenge Sony in the home console new gen space. They are comfortable staying a bit behind and having cheaper development and costs for hardware. It would be suicide again and they know it. The fans know it too.
Sony just needs to sell 20-30 million extra units and that will beat there previous consoles and maybe even the PS2. All depends on price of course and marketing
Nintendo just need to focus on their lane, Heavy 1st party, theme parks, movies, toys and fanfare. They market very well in Japan.
As for OOT. Love the game top 10-15 of mine, but its never gonna do anything like GTA6 lol. I will help sell some units, but with GTA6 coming, Nintendo will have to wait till there Mario, mainline Zelda, Animal Crossing or Pokemon to start there bigger hardware sales
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It's literally the other way around, mate. Sony has everything to lose because they're gonna release 2 of the most expensive consoles ever released, it'll be in the top 5 easily at least. Adjusting for inflation there might be 1-3 others.
Uuuh why? It'll be easier than every to sell their consoles thanks to third party support
If Switch 2 dominates generation 10, which it likely will, then Nintendo has massive advantages on their side. It wouldn't play out like GC vs PS2.
Look up review scores for Ocarina of Time vs Wolverine
Nintendo has spent literal decades making console/handheld games and you think Sony can do something. Sony got zero advantages
Why are you comparing OOT vs Wolverine? As if these are the only games these two companies have. Nintendo also released some sub 80 games this year, and PlayStation has released their own share of 95+ MC games.
Lost dominance? Nintendo has been outselling Playstation. There's a reason why Yrass always goes back to Wii U in all of his cope posts.
Physical was one of Sony's biggest strengths and they gave that up
I only bring up the Wii U to show that A) Nintendo IP can't carry a bad product and B) that it performed so bad that they had to replace the whole thing mid-gen with another gen 8 console: the Switch 1.
Nintendo wasn't even competing anymore that gen. Are you seriously acting like the $200 console that grandmas bought to do fitness on was competing directly with the PS3/360? The Wii was a huge success but not because it convinced the people who bought PS2s the gen before to swap back to Nintendo. It attracted completely new customers, customers that didn't stuck around once the gimmick wore off. The only reason it "won" by console unit sales numbers was because the actual high-end home console audience was split exactly 50/50 between the PS3/360. If either of these consoles had been more dominant, both of them would've easily outsold the Wii.
Nintendo was warning that chasing graphics was a mistake? It just further illustrates Nintendo has no pull, despite you believing they are/were the market leader, because all third parties went ahead with chasing graphics anyway and made bank doing so.
No one is saying PS3 was a huge success btw. PS3 was a disastrous gen that they managed to salvage midway through (something Nintendo couldn't do with the Wii U). And obviously it cost Sony a bunch of money. All it shows is that your fantasies where Sony just completely abandons the sub $1000 console market and sits back as Nintendo takes over the entire industry from underneath them will never be in the cards. They burned through billions to maintain a grip even after they had only lost 50% of their market share. And that was when gaming wasn't even their core business vertical.
Adjusted for inflation it's not gonna be much worse than the PS3 and in this day and age it's not going to be entirely self inflicted like PS3's price point was. Everyone can see around them that ALL electronics have jumped up in price like crazy. People are reasonable enough to understand that a big chunk of the price point is completely out of their control. This is also why people are accepting a $500 Switch 2.
And beyond that, all this talk doesn't matter because we're not in the 2000s anymore where every generation is a total reset and everyone reconsiders which console they will buy every 7 years as if it's a presidential election. PlayStation is now going to enter its third generation of backwards compatibility. People have hundreds, if not thousands of dollars worth of games built up. That's much harder to leave behind than it was back in the 2000s when you were forced to leave that behind even if you stuck with PlayStation, and where no one really wanted to play old shit anyway because of how big the graphical and technical leap was between them and current gen games. Nowadays games that are 10 years old can sometimes compete with new releases, something unthinkable back then.
You're the only person who views Switch 2 as a gen console instead of a late-to-the-party gen 9 console like normal people.
What? PS2 sold 160 million while PS4, the second best performing PS sold 117 million. Even if PS6 home console by itself reaches PS4 which is extremely unlikely, it'd need 43 million from the PS6 handheld to reach PS2 if you're combining the two.
We dont know the prices yet. They’ve also never sold below 80million. It could launch horribly like PS3 and still not lose a gen like Wii U,Gamecube, N64, did etc. Selling 80m home consoles is Something Nintendo and Xbox struggle to do. Not Sony
But it will depends on price
Playstation can just fall back to what they do, they are expanding, not staying the same. Nintendo doesnt have that luxury, they need handheld sales and they cant afford stronger tech.
Why is Nintendo gonna have to rely more on 1st party. Why do you think Sir?
PS6 is gonna have GTA6, Fifa, Divinity, Witcher 4, RDR3 and play Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Dragon Quest and every 3rd party game way better than Nintendo. Nintendo isnt gonna be the leader for these games on handheld anymore.
Nintendo is going basically unchallenged because theres not much better options for 3rd party. The better option will be PS6 handheld for 3rd party
Switch 2 has a 2 year head start but imo I dont think they are competitions in that same way anymore.
I think they are in their own lanes, but its Sony that is now reentering with a handheld option and looking to expand. So they would expect to add 10-20+ units.
Nintendo isnt doing anything different from last gen.
All depends on price. If they release at a good price and market, they can get there userbase back to 13+million in Japan and add 20-30million extra units for PS4 total. If they dont, then, it could be a slower 80million total. Who knows until the prices reveal
I said "maybe"
I was going by rough numbers too. We're not doing autistic accuracy to the closest decimal, chill
120m + 20-30 = 140/50 its close to maybe PS2 numbers
You were over 10-20 million off. I'd think anybody who's been passionate about arguing PS sales numbers would know the numbers for the two highest selling PS systems. It just makes you look like you're saying things without having done your research. Especially when your points are almost as overhyping of PS6 as herorat overhyping the S2. I've been wondering if you're intentionally exaggerating in order to make a point of how much he's exaggerating but the fact that you're responding to others with the same points makes it seem like you're genuine.
Nah you were mentally off
How am I 20million off? More like 13 million max. So your someone who nitpicks about a post they read wrong and then gets their own accuracy wrong...
117m + 30 million = 147. Only 13 away from 160m mr accurate not 20million. This makes you look like an argumentative prick that cant even keep to their own point and accuracy properly...
If you want to be autistic accurate and waste life then its more like I'm maximum 13 million off your imaged number I supposedly said.
Plus all this for overthinking, something I didnt even say, instead of understanding the overall point I made.
Ill say it again:
If PS6 sells 20-30 million more than PS4, it would beat there PREVIOUS CONSOLES, and MAYBE PS2. ( You see that big fucking word spelt MAYBE, do you know what Maybe means?)
Maybe as in it could do more than 30m (because Ive said 10-30+ before) and MAYBE it beats PS2
Never did I say 10-30M is gonna be the same number as PS2 numbers
Yes. Both Microsoft and Sony copied the Wii. Both Sony and Microsoft coped hard over and over that Nintendo's strategy wouldn't be worth it long-term, they were both wrong.
"While rivals struggled to sell more than a few million copies of their games, Nintendo routinely sold tens of millions."
"It’s also why Sony released the PlayStation Move and Microsoft released the Kinect."
And now we got Sony and Microsoft and other companies copying Nintendo yet again, they're creating new subpar handhelds that can't compete with the real thing.
I think that's where it's headed though. 10-30m for Sony.
lol the leader is whoever sells the most hardware and that's gonna be really obvious during generation 10.
I don't see third parties doing anything but taking a wait and see approach with PS handheld.
You think it's about options for third parties? Like woe is me we have to optimize for a hybrid console with 12gb of RAM?
No, the more it sells, the more they like Nintendo because it means their games can sell more and third parties know any game on NS2 means their games will be on Switch 3.
It's a lot longer headstart than you think because you gotta take Switch 1 in mind and how many people will just naturally upgrade to Switch 2. And Nintendo is doing something different in terms of marketing, Nintendo is chasing third party and marketing NS2 with that in mind. Most likely giving certain companies free marketing and some free top spots on the eshop. Casuals already associate Nintendo with gaming and handheld gaming, when more and more people associate Nintendo with third party then they're not thinking about PS anymore. It's at the point where it's really third parties losing if they're not day 1 on Nintendo anymore because they're missing sales, as much as Yrass loves to deny it.
If they both sell 1 million each in Japan I'd consider that good for Sony honestly.
Ok buddy....
if you think Sony will only sell 10-30 million units, 1 being in Japan. Then have a nice few years in Lala land of wishes that don't come true.
I dont think 3rd party has choose Nintendo for the main release in decades ao thats hilarious to think.
All the big next gen games, will be played best on PS6 and some wont even come to Switch 2
Did you hear the news that GTA6 is coming to Switch because its SECOND best selling console of all time userbase is huge...
Oh yeah they didnt because it cant handle the game.... like many next gen games wont.
Big companies have already switched to multiplatform sooooo....
Brother, the irony of you saying sony will make a subpar, handheld when switch 2 is charging for voice chat, while the vita had it built in, along with a built in camera. 2 cameras even.