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Nah you were mentally off

How am I 20million off? More like 13 million max. So your someone who nitpicks about a post they read wrong and then gets their own accuracy wrong...

117m + 30 million = 147. Only 13 away from 160m mr accurate not 20million. This makes you look like an argumentative prick that cant even keep to their own point and accuracy properly...

If you want to be autistic accurate and waste life then its more like I'm maximum 13 million off your imaged number I supposedly said.

Plus all this for overthinking, something I didnt even say, instead of understanding the overall point I made.

Ill say it again:
If PS6 sells 20-30 million more than PS4, it would beat there PREVIOUS CONSOLES, and MAYBE PS2. ( You see that big fucking word spelt MAYBE, do you know what Maybe means?)

Maybe as in it could do more than 30m (because Ive said 10-30+ before) and MAYBE it beats PS2

Never did I say 10-30M is gonna be the same number as PS2 numbers

You said it “just needs to sell 20-30 million extra units”. 117+20=137 which is 23 million away from 160. You’re only showcasing your issues with either math or your memory here.

And you missed my point was that your points are out of touch and overhyping it as much as herorat. First of all, you’re basing your point around the PS6 home console by itself outselling the PS4 which in these current day circumstances is as unrealistic as the S2 outselling the S1. As said, it’s unlikely the PS6 will do as well as the PS5 which itself continues to stray further away from the PS4’s lifetime sales and is unlikely to reach it unless a miracle happens to suddenly make everyone much richer.

Second, you use the fact that PS home consoles have historically never sold below 80 as your evidence that PS6 home console will be guaranteed to sell over 80 but you continue to ignore that PS has historically also never remotely been a threat to Nintendo’s handhelds and Nintendo has historically dominated in handhelds. You claim PS6 handhelds will have all those 3rd parties that Nintendo doesn’t have but you continue to ignore that so does PC handhelds and PC handhelds haven’t done shit to either the S1 or S2. Now, of course a PS handheld will likely do more and be more mainstream than PC handhelds but it’s not going to be some brand new breakthrough you seem to think it is. Your posts right now are the same thing as Valve diehards thinking the Steam Deck will be the Switch killer. Third, with the expected prices the vast majority of people will not be buying both PS6 handheld and the home console. If both systems are the same exact ecosystem they will buy one or the other. Only the most brand loyal of brand loyalists will get both and that’s a tiny niche minority of PS owners. I’d say around the same amount as PC handhelds. And that means the handheld will logically cut into the home console sales, in a way that the previous handhelds did not. So if the handheld sells 20-30 million that could be 10-20 million cut from the home console sales.



Also, I have to note the cognitive dissonance in you claiming PS has nothing to lose by going into handhelds and are simply “expanding themselves” while Nintendo making a dedicated home console would be suicide. If Sony makes a handheld that does exceptionally poorly they absolutely would not be happy about that.
You’re ignoring or not aware that the fact that they’re “expanding” into handhelds is more than just “they’re on top of the world and are willing to throw money into any new area that they want”. (They wouldn’t be shutting down multiple studios if that were the case.) Part of is also due the fact that home consoles as a market has matured and has been steadily shrinking now while handhelds/hybrids are a potential new growth market. There’s a reason why the entire industry has been following this same direction. If Sony’s PS6 handheld does poorly that would absolutely be a big blow for them even if they do still have their home consoles as a backup.
 
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Big companies have already switched to multiplatform sooooo....

What are you talking about...

Im saying some games wont make it to Switch 2 because it wont be strong enough to play them like GTA6, Baldurs Gate 4, Like Divinity etc. Doesnt matter if big companies switched lol, so what.

Switch 2 is not gonna be the only handheld console to play these games anymore.

There will be a new place to play 3rd party games and they will run better.
3rd party fans will get a higher quality version then switch 2, so games like Fifa, Cod, Witcher 4, GTA6, Tekken, Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Max Payne, Divinity and all the major 3rd party games will run better on PS6 handheld.

People will then choose more affordable switch 2 or better quality PS6 handheld. Unless prices are closer than people think.

Sony is always gonna make better hardware than Nintendo powerwise. So like I said, Nintendo will rely on 1st party even more now, which is great anyway for Nintendo fans like myself. I dont think Ive bought a multiplatform game on Switch 2 except dragon builders 2
 
Im saying some games wont make it to Switch 2 because it wont be strong enough
I know what you believe but it's just delusional. You think everything's just gonna work and that's it but it doesn't work like that. You seem to think Sony have advantages and they're just expanding but they're doing the opposite. They're shrinking and getting rid of studios and Nintendo is the one expanding and Nintendo's expanding because they want to grab a bigger share of the console market.
 
You said it “just needs to sell 20-30 million extra units”. 117+20+137 which is 23 million away from 160. You’re only showcasing your issues with either math or your memory here.

And you missed my point was that your points are out of touch and overhyping it as much as herorat. First of all, you’re basing your point around the PS6 home console by itself outselling the PS4 which in these current day circumstances is as unrealistic as the S2 outselling the S1. As said, it’s unlikely the PS6 will do as well as the PS5 which itself continues to stray further away from the PS4’s lifetime sales and is unlikely to reach it unless a miracle happens to suddenly make everyone much richer.

Second, you use the fact that PS home consoles have historically never sold below 80 as your evidence that PS6 home console will be guaranteed to sell over 80 but you continue to ignore that PS has historically also never remotely been a threat to Nintendo’s handhelds and Nintendo has historically dominated in handhelds. You claim PS6 handhelds will have all those 3rd parties that Nintendo doesn’t have but you continue to ignore that so does PC handhelds and PC handhelds haven’t done shit to either the S1 or S2. Now, of course a PS handheld will likely do more and be more mainstream than PC handhelds but it’s not going to be some brand new breakthrough you seem to think it is. Your posts right now are the same thing as Valve diehards thinking the Steam Deck will be the Switch killer. Third, with the expected prices the vast majority of people will not be buying both PS6 handheld and the home console. If both systems are the same exact ecosystem they will buy one or the other. Only the most brand loyal of brand loyalists will get both and that’s a tiny niche minority of PS owners. I’d say around the same amount as PC handhelds. And that means the handheld will logically cut into the home console sales, in a way that the previous handhelds did not. So if the handheld sells 20-30 million that could be 10-20 million cut from the home console sales.



Also, I have to note the cognitive dissonance in you claiming PS has nothing to lose by going into handhelds and are simply “expanding themselves” while Nintendo making a dedicated home console would be suicide. If Sony makes a handheld that does exceptionally poorly they absolutely would not be happy about that.
You’re ignoring or not aware that the fact that they’re “expanding” into handhelds is more than just “they’re on top of the world and are willing to throw money into any new area that they want”. (They wouldn’t be shutting down multiple studios if that were the case.) Part of is also due the fact that home consoles as a market has matured and has been steadily shrinking now while handhelds/hybrids are a potential new growth market. There’s a reason why the entire industry has been following this same direction. If Sony’s PS6 handheld does poorly that would absolutely be a big blow for them even if they do still have their home consoles as a backup.

Im not even reading all that lol. I never said anything is guarantee or defined, Im talking in theory you schizo retard.

Yes I said 20-30 million units. See the 30...? Or you blind to it?

What kind of retarded math is that?"117+20+137 which is 23 million away from 160". Wtf...
Why you ignoring the 30 lol

117m+ 30m= 147.
The gap between 147 and 160 is 13. Not 20.
1+147 = 148...
2+ 147 = 149...
3+ 147 = 150
Guess what 13+ 147 =.... 160

So i was never off by 20.

All this for something I was talking in rough numbers and MAYBE PS2.... You a schizo

And Your overthinking, I never overhyped, its an opinion and a theory. No guarentees, Im just making a comment.

And my opinion on Playstation having a better chance because they havent sold less than 80 is based on fact. Im
Not saying its guarantee, but it would be a similar trend and them doing it again seems possible because there fanbase turns up for home consoles

When has nintendo sold a strong home console well?.....more than 2 decades ago? the wii is a $200 weak console. Not a strong home console to compete with playstation or even Xbox....
My opinion is based on some fact while your is based on fantasy and hate.

Yes Playstation didnt beat Nintendo with handhelds, but saying they sell bad isnt entirely true. They sold 70million psps lol.

70m is a decent number. 70m..you know, that number Nes, Snes, N64, Gamecube, Wii U ans majority of Nintendo home consoles all failed to reach.... ah do some maths wizkid 173+ 34+1458 = 23... fucking troll

And the difference is they are hybrids now, so much bigger library, not just handheld vs handheld.

Dont worry about my cognition you autistic retard. Go learn that the world isn't so serious.

Learn what the word MAYBE means.
No Matter what mental gymnastics maths you, it doesnt matter because I said MAYBE PS2 lol.

Learn the world isnt absolutes.

Learn this is opinion and conversation, not overhyping.

Understand that when you think I said guaranteed, and when you think I said more than PS2. That all is a figment of your schizo mind, making shit up because your too excited to argue

Learn when I say Playstation hasnt sold less than 80m, its a fact

Understand the fact Nintendo hasnt sold an expensive home Console for almost 2 decades and when they did it sold worse than the Vita.. Wii U. Fact

Understand basic math that the gap between 147 and 160 is 13 not 20.

Anyway fucktard troll. your blocked
 
Im not even reading all that lol. I never said anything is guarantee or defined, Im talking in theory you schizo retard.

Yes I said 20-30 million units. See the 30...? Or you blind to it?

What kind of retarded math is that?"117+20+137 which is 23 million away from 160". Wtf...
Why you ignoring the 30 lol

117m+ 30m= 147.
The gap between 147 and 160 is 13. Not 20.
1+147 = 148...
2+ 147 = 149...
3+ 147 = 150
Guess what 13+ 147 =.... 160

So i was never off by 20.

All this for something I was talking in rough numbers and MAYBE PS2.... You a schizo

So are you pretending to be dense or are you actually this braindead?

You said 20-30 million units. 117+20=137 (I accidentally typod it but anyone with an IQ over room temperature could deduce what I meant) and 137 is 23 million away from 160. You were 13-23 million off. I'm not ignoring the 30. I acknowledged it when I said you were 10-20 million off. If you're not trolling then someone as genuinely stupid as you has no room to be making estimates and theories. I also like how you're throwing around mental disorders and clearly projecting yourself since you're the one that types like you have a low functioning mental illness.
 
I know what you believe but it's just delusional. You think everything's just gonna work and that's it but it doesn't work like that.

The irony

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And my opinion on Playstation having a better chance because they havent sold less than 80 is based on fact. Im
Not saying its guarantee, but it would be a similar trend and them doing it again seems possible because there fanbase turns up for home consoles

When has nintendo sold a strong home console well?.....more than 2 decades ago? the wii is a $200 weak console. Not a strong home console to compete with playstation or even Xbox....
My opinion is based on some fact while your is based on fantasy and hate.

Yes Playstation didnt beat Nintendo with handhelds, but saying they sell bad isnt entirely true. They sold 70million psps lol.

70m is a decent number. 70m..you know, that number Nes, Snes, N64, Gamecube, Wii U ans majority of Nintendo home consoles all failed to reach.... ah do some maths wizkid 173+ 34+1458 = 23... fucking troll

And the difference is they are hybrids now, so much bigger library, not just handheld vs handheld.

Dont worry about my cognition you autistic retard. Go learn that the world isn't so serious.

Learn what the word MAYBE means.
No Matter what mental gymnastics maths you, it doesnt matter because I said MAYBE PS2 lol.

Learn the world isnt absolutes.

Learn this is opinion and conversation, not overhyping.

Understand that when you think I said guaranteed, and when you think I said more than PS2. That all is a figment of your schizo mind, making shit up because your too excited to argue

Learn when I say Playstation hasnt sold less than 80m, its a fact

Understand the fact Nintendo hasnt sold an expensive home Console for almost 2 decades and when they did it sold worse than the Vita.. Wii U. Fact

Understand basic math that the gap between 147 and 160 is 13 not 20.

Anyway fucktard troll. your blocked

And PS having historically always gotten trounced by Nintendo in handhelds is also a fact and their last handheld doing so bad they fled the market is also a fact. If you're going to argue that the PS6 handheld is totally different and going to do something new and break the previous historical pattern then that also applies to the reverse, that the PS6 home console could sell less than 80 million with everything that's been going on and the PS6 handheld cutting into its sales if the handheld does start making waves.

Who's talking about strong home consoles besides herorat? I don't think they're ever doing strong home consoles again both because they don't need to when they're doing so well in the portable market and because the strong home console market is a shrinking market (which is also an empirical fact) so there's little to no incentive to do so even if they manage to do well which is also unlikely.
You have it the other way around. I'm talking in objective facts while you're talking in made up fantasies and current hype.

PSP did decent in hardware sales by itself (although they notoriously did poorly software-wise) but it was not remotely a threat to the DS which soared past it and your whole point was acting as if the PS6 handheld would be a decent threat to the S2 when historically that has never been the case.
Ah, the "It's not serious" card after you got your objectively wrong points corrected and called out. Maybe you should stop crying about herorat who's "not serious" either. I guess if he puts a "maybe" in front of saying Nintendo making a new strong home console will beat PS6's that would stop it being being completely delusional. If the world isn't absolutes and this is just opinions and conversations why are you so upset over herorats?

Playstation has always gotten trounced by Nintendo in handhelds/hybrids is a fact.
Which is why Nintendo has stopped making strong home consoles (and them "winning" every generation since then is a "fact"). The only person who's talking about Nintendo making strong home consoles is herorat although by your logic of "nothing is absolute", "maybe" Nintendo can beat PS in that the next time.

You said 20-30 million extra units. 117+20=137 which is 23 million off from 160. You were over 10-20 million off. You are objectively wrong.

You are actually retarded.
 
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Yes. Both Microsoft and Sony copied the Wii. Both Sony and Microsoft coped hard over and over that Nintendo's strategy wouldn't be worth it long-term, they were both wrong.
"While rivals struggled to sell more than a few million copies of their games, Nintendo routinely sold tens of millions."
"It’s also why Sony released the PlayStation Move and Microsoft released the Kinect."
And now we got Sony and Microsoft and other companies copying Nintendo yet again, they're creating new subpar handhelds that can't compete with the real thing.

PlayStation had the EyeToy during the PS2 gen before the Wii existed. Only Xbox copied them. And in case of the PS Move, they "copied" it only as an accessory. It didn't become the main focus of their business like it was for Nintendo and like Xbox tried to do.

Also motion gaming clearly hasn't been worth it long term. They were absolutely right.

lol the leader is whoever sells the most hardware and that's gonna be really obvious during generation 10.
I don't see third parties doing anything but taking a wait and see approach with PS handheld.

No, the leader is the company with the largest market share who can actually somewhat dictate what happens in the industry. In not a single market in the world is the company that sells more units of whatever they're selling while making noticeably less revenue and profit than a competitor perceived as the market leader. If that was the case, premium brands could never be market leaders and it would always be the cost-cutting brands that would be the "market leader". But that's not how it works.

Third parties are going to keep putting every game on PlayStation which means they'll automatically be on the PS6 handheld. You unironically arguing that PlayStation will have worse third party support than Nintendo is new levels of delusion.

You think it's about options for third parties? Like woe is me we have to optimize for a hybrid console with 12gb of RAM?
No, the more it sells, the more they like Nintendo because it means their games can sell more and third parties know any game on NS2 means their games will be on Switch 3.

The amount of extra sales third parties get from supporting Nintendo hardware is almost never proportional to how much Nintendo hardware is actually out there. You think for a third party a Nintendo console unit sale and a PlayStation unit sale are one and the same thing. Thus Nintendo having more unit sales would mean they would prioritize Nintendo. But they are not. They will make more money on average on a PlayStation unit than on a Nintendo unit.

I know what you believe but it's just delusional. You think everything's just gonna work and that's it but it doesn't work like that. You seem to think Sony have advantages and they're just expanding but they're doing the opposite. They're shrinking and getting rid of studios and Nintendo is the one expanding and Nintendo's expanding because they want to grab a bigger share of the console market.

This is ironic as hell. You somehow think the PS6 handheld will struggle with third party support in terms of whether PS4/PS5 games will run on it, but meanwhile you're over here arguing that 12GB of RAM on Switch 2 should be enough for every third party to put their games on it.

Here's the obvious thing you are completely missing: this kind of shit will be mandated and forced on publishers. Just like Xbox forced Series S support on everyone. You're delulu if you think Sony is going to make handheld support optional. And skipping the PS platform wholesale is never going to be an option for a third party. You can't in the same breath argue Nintendo has become too big for third parties to ignore and then try to argue it's perfectly feasible for them to ignore another platform with 130m+ MAU and 100m+ devices in the wild.

Also you're crazy if you think developers are going to go through the effort of making their games run on a Switch 2, but then won't do the same for a PS handheld where it'll be infinitely easier due to it having much more modern hardware.
 
Sony can mandate what they want and punish developers to release their games on flopped consoles, of course, but it'd just cause problems.

They don't have to punish shit lol. If publishers want to access a massive and lucrative install base platform in the form of PlayStation, and they do, they have no choice but to make their game run on the handheld. Just like those same publishers were made to support Series S in order to publish on Series X, consoles with a combined install base of maybe 35m at best.

If pretty much every third party publisher bent over for Xbox, you are absolutely delusional if you think they won't do so for PlayStation. And since you believe they will all support Switch 2 anyway, which is a much weaker device than this PS6 handheld will be, scaling that up to a PS6 handheld version is going to be easy as fuck.

I'm sorry but there is no future where PlayStation will have spottier third party support than Nintendo. It's always going to be PC > PlayStation > Nintendo when it comes to third party support.
 
Just wait and see. So far Sony had power with third parties because their consoles sold enough but PS6 and PS handheld will flop.
Sony loses that power, Nintendo gains the upper hand
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Keep huffing that copium bro. Like I said, Xbox has better third party support than Switch 2 and they've only sold 35m units this gen. PS6 is easily going to sell more than that. And the PS5 install base is not going anywhere either. They've kept releasing COD on PS4 up until this year, almost the entire gen. And you think they're gonna drop PS5? Lmao. Even if PlayStation were to somehow collapse, publishers would flock to PC instead of Nintendo. Because a lot of the PS refugees will end up on PC long before they end up on Nintendo hardware.
 
I know companies aren't going to support consoles that flop, we've seen it every time no matter who makes the consoles. You for some mysterious reason doesn't think it's gonna hurt Sony.

Once again, they are supporting Xbox Series S|X. More so than they support Nintendo. Despite them being consoles that failed to sell 40m units after almost 7 years on the market. You have no idea wtf you are talking about. When Pachter retires you should apply for his job, you'll have roughly the same track record with your predictions.
 
If you think Sony missing all Japanese games will be a win for Sony's future then think again

You are utterly delusional if you think Japanese games will be skipping PlayStation. Most of those games now sell the bulk of their copies outside of Japan, where Sony has more users than Nintendo. Again... they don't even fucking skip Xbox dude. Square-Enix moved to support Xbox before they went to Nintendo. Capcom was naturally already on there. Sega even handed Xbox marketing deals. Dude just try to stay in reality land with the rest of us.
 
You are utterly delusional if you think Japanese games will be skipping PlayStation. Most of those games now sell the bulk of their copies outside of Japan, where Sony has more users than Nintendo. Again... they don't even fucking skip Xbox dude. Square-Enix moved to support Xbox before they went to Nintendo. Capcom was naturally already on there. Sega even handed Xbox marketing deals. Dude just try to stay in reality land with the rest of us.
Whats fascinating to read is he keeps pointing to third party support being this major driver for them but he doesn't seem to realize that is where Nintendo is weak. They don't do much third party sales in the AAA space. That is completely dominated by Sony and Valve at the moment.
 
Whats fascinating to read is he keeps pointing to third party support being this major driver for them but he doesn't seem to realize that is where Nintendo is weak. They don't do much third party sales in the AAA space.
Lots of people like Yrass just live permanently in the early 2000s. The best place to buy games is Nintendo now because they got so many third party games and a hybrid platform, only place to get real physical. It's true not everything is here yet but people really gotta wake up that Sony's not gonna have some kind of advantage just because they're gonna release uber expensive consoles in late 2027.
In fact I think that's partly why some third parties are arriving as soon as they did.
 
So are you pretending to be dense or are you actually this braindead?

You said 20-30 million units. 117+20=137 (I accidentally typod it but anyone with an IQ over room temperature could deduce what I meant) and 137 is 23 million away from 160. You were 13-23 million off. I'm not ignoring the 30. I acknowledged it when I said you were 10-20 million off. If you're not trolling then someone as genuinely stupid as you has no room to be making estimates and theories. I also like how you're throwing around mental disorders and clearly projecting yourself since you're the one that types like you have a low functioning mental illness.

A.) You're the one bringing 160 into it lol. I was never comparing it to PS2. I made a passing comment saying MAYBE PS2.
So why are you even acting like I was comparing it when I wasnt.
I said MAYBE PS2. Do you know what Maybe means...

"20-30million on top of PS4 numbers could beat their previous gens, MAYBE even PS2. "
As in maybe they could beat PS2 numbers, I wasnt saying maybe 30+ 117 = 160.... That might be hard for you to understand, but it wasnt never that lol.

B.) I said 20-30 million. I didnt start a full on maths conversation with PS2 numbers.
So when someone says 30, it means 117+ 30 = 147. Not 117+ 20= 137
how can i be off by 23, when 117+ 30 = 147

So my maybe range was between 137-147 right. 147 means I cant be off by 23. I can only be off by 13. Its simple
 
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