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Digital Foundry: PlayStation has an "exclusive of sorts for RDNA5 on handhelds"

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heroeskillrats said:
I know what you believe but it's just delusional.
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Well until Switch 2 announces games like GTA6, Witcher 4 and and Divinity, its a fact Switch 2 wont be the mainplatform for 3rd party games.
If it was, they would of been revealed for there. They might get some bad ports eventually.

Nintendo's strength has always been 1st party. And some exclusives from 3rd party. And as a real Nintendo fan, thats what I want. Dont care about the rest
 
Kokoloko said:
A.) You're the one bringing 160 into it lol. I was never comparing it to PS2. I made a passing comment saying MAYBE PS2.
So why are you even acting like I was comparing it when I wasnt.
I said MAYBE PS2. Do you know what Maybe means...

"20-30million on top of PS4 numbers could beat their previous gens, MAYBE even PS2. "
As in maybe they could beat PS2 numbers, I wasnt saying maybe 30+ 117 = 160.... That might be hard for you to understand, but it wasnt never that lol.

B.) I said 20-30 million. I didnt start a full on maths conversation with PS2 numbers.
So when someone says 30, it means 117+ 30 = 147. Not 117+ 20= 137
how can i be off by 23, when 117+ 30 = 147

So my maybe range was between 137-147 right. 147 means I cant be off by 23. I can only be off by 13. Its simple
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The very issue is that you're bringing up PS2, the best selling console in history, as a potential metric that PS6 could reach which is completely moronic and highlighted by how your math didn't add up at all. Nobody rational thinks S2 is reaching S1 without some sort of miracle and here you are immediately buying into the GTA hype and acting as these surge of sales are normal and as if PS hadn't been having decade level lows right before it along with numerous other conditions like their 1st parties completely declining. As multiple people have said now, the peak of console sales is over. Let's first see if after the initial 3 month launch of GTA if PS5 stabilizes with these current GTA hype sales or if it goes back to pre-GTA levels or even just seeing what the PS6 price is before trying to hype PS6 as a potential 120M+ seller.

117+20=137 and 137 is 23 off from 160. You keep ignoring that you said 20-30.
I said you were off by over 10-20 million. 13 million from your 30 estimate and 23 million from your 20 estimate. You're the one trying to revise your history and act like you didn't use the "20" at all and only used 30.
 
Kokoloko said:
Well until Switch 2 announces games like GTA6, Witcher 4 and and Divinity, its a fact Switch 2 wont be the mainplatform for 3rd party games.
If it was, they would of been revealed for there. They might get some bad ports eventually.
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This type of talk is just silly because it's just denying reality at this point. From the beginning I said 2027 was gonna show the big change because for one it can take 1-2 years to port the big games. So for any of the big companies to be there day 1 every time they'd have to pivot years earlier like Square Enix and Capcom.
 
voke said:
Whats fascinating to read is he keeps pointing to third party support being this major driver for them but he doesn't seem to realize that is where Nintendo is weak. They don't do much third party sales in the AAA space. That is completely dominated by Sony and Valve at the moment.
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He has deluded himself into believing that Nintendo now basically gets every third party game, and the ones that aren't on there will come because he thinks high console unit sales number means third party will have to support it (his reasoning for why this never happened with Switch 1 is because everyone was "caught off guard" by its success lmao, apparently these multibillion gaming corporations have been frozen in shock for 8 years). And if you try to tell him these third party games sell far less on Nintendo, he's just gonna bring up some singular Famitsu weekly chart or talk about how there are a few third party games in the top 10 on the eShop.

heroeskillrats said:
Lots of people like Yrass just live permanently in the early 2000s. The best place to buy games is Nintendo now because they got so many third party games and a hybrid platform, only place to get real physical. It's true not everything is here yet but people really gotta wake up that Sony's not gonna have some kind of advantage just because they're gonna release uber expensive consoles in late 2027.
In fact I think that's partly why some third parties are arriving as soon as they did.
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You are the one stuck in the 2000s and think there's still a PlayStation vs Nintendo console war, or that every new generation is a reset of the market where people will migrate to whichever platform has the best vibes at the time, or thinking that the majority of customers still care about physical.

The only reason third parties are now dropping more regularly on Switch is because Japanese publishers want to maintain a gateway to their domestic market where they should have all the advantages, and because Switch 2 is actually capable of running these games because a lot of them have been targeting 60 FPS on home consoles all generation long which means that by cutting the framerate in half and massively downscaling the graphical fidelity they become possible on something like a Switch 2. Something which didn't work last gen because even home consoles could only run those games at 1080p/30.

Nintendo is not the best place to buy games because the Nintendo version of third party games is always the worst version with the most compromises. The only time it's worth buying a third party game on Switch over PC/home console is when you want to play that game on the go. Third party games don't have "real physical" in most cases either - almost all of them are GKC because they're cheaper to make and because third party games are often bigger than the max limit on a cartridge. Even if you care about physical, PlayStation is still a better place to get these games until 2028 - which will be when Switch enters its third year already.

Sony's advantage is not in them releasing "uber expensive consoles" next year, it's in it being the only high-end home console that's actually available for purchase in most places in the world, that has the best third party support out of all the consoles. And right now their device only costs $100 more than a Switch 2, and I very much doubt they're going to phase out that device unless they can somehow get the PS6 to hit a comparable price point.

heroeskillrats said:
This type of talk is just silly because it's just denying reality at this point. From the beginning I said 2027 was gonna show the big change because for one it can take 1-2 years to port the big games. So for any of the big companies to be there day 1 every time they'd have to pivot years earlier like Square Enix and Capcom.
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Porting doesn't take 1-2 years, lay off the copium lol. The reason other third parties haven't committed to day one Switch 2 releases like SE or Capcom is simply because they have no intention of doing it. It didn't take third parties 1-2 years to start committing to Series S/X and PS5.
 
Yrassinad said:
Porting doesn't take 1-2 years
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Shit, who do I believe? Yrass who's wrong about everything and lies all the time or multiple experienced developers and porting studios who says big games does take 1-2 years? Especially when it's a new engine like the modern RAGE engine would be on Switch 2.

Yrassinad said:
or that every new generation is a reset of the market
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Just because Sony doesn't have any exclusives anymore and Xbox died doesn't mean exclusives or console resets stopped being a thing.
Stop deluding yourself that if PS6 flops it's somehow still "fine" for Sony.
 
heroeskillrats said:
Shit, who do I believe? Yrass who's wrong about everything and lies all the time or multiple experienced developers and porting studios who says big games does take 1-2 years? Especially when it's a new engine like the modern RAGE engine would be on Switch 2.
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I'm wrong about everything? This is ironic as hell coming from the dude who was predicting GTA6 day one on Switch 2, or Spider-Man and Horizon on Switch 2, or 3D Mario and Pokemon in 2026, or who keeps repeating that Nintendo getting better third party support is somehow a threat to PlayStation like a broken record only for AAA third party games on PS5 to still outsell Switch 2 almost 3 or 4 to 1 in Japan, Nintendo's home turf where they have almost an identical install base between Switch 2 and PS5.

No game takes 1-2 years to port, it's a load of bullshit and just a cope theory you made up to explain why games are missing on Switch 2. Just like how you made up shit about how they dropped the RDR2 port for Switch 2 to get GTA6 launch on Switch 2 instead to explain why RDR2 still isn't on Switch 2. And then GTA6 didn't come either lol.

heroeskillrats said:
Just because Sony doesn't have any exclusives anymore and Xbox died doesn't mean exclusives or console resets stopped being a thing.
Stop deluding yourself that if PS6 flops it's somehow still "fine" for Sony.
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Lmao, console resets stopped being a thing a long time ago. It died the moment every console moved to x86 architecture and digital distribution, which allowed for PC-like endless forward compatibility. And even if resets were happening, this would only be about whether Xbox and PS users would swap sides because literally no one sees Nintendo as part of the same "generational resets" anymore because they do not offer a comparable product. The last time they did was when George W Bush was president. And we all know it's not PS who's going to be losing users to Xbox.

And exclusives didn't stop being a thing but exclusives have never mattered as much for PlayStation as you want to believe. 99% of the content on PlayStation hasn't been exclusive for over a decade. And yet it's still the #1 home console by a long shot and keeps growing in users and revenue. People aren't buying PlayStations primarily because of exclusives. They buy them because of the user experience, which gives people a hassle free plug and play solution (unlike PC) at high fidelity and performance (unlike Nintendo). Only Xbox offers a comparable product but Xbox is literally not even being sold in most of the world anymore, and when it comes to Xbox exclusives vs PS exclusives it's easy to see which one wins there. Nintendo is never going to be viable stand-in replacement for PlayStation without a home console.
 
Yrassinad said:
Nintendo is never going to be viable stand-in replacement for PlayStation without a home console.
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Nintendo Switch already proved this wrong. A hybrid console doesn't sell like a handheld, it has everything Nintendo and third party support which is enough for everybody.
 
heroeskillrats said:
Nintendo Switch already proved this wrong. A hybrid console doesn't sell like a handheld, it has everything Nintendo and third party support which is enough for everybody.
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What are you even saying anymore? A hybrid is selling exactly like a handheld, luckily for Nintendo it's definitely not selling like their home consoles.

And no, Nintendo and spotty third party support is not "enough for everybody". That's why there are far more people on non-Nintendo platforms than there are on Nintendo platforms. This goes for every platform that's not PC btw. And that's not going to change.

Yallah make your Nintendo Switch 2 lifetime sales prediction. Apparently PS6 is going to only sell 10-30m consoles according to you (somehow you can predict those numbers with 0 knowledge about its price or game lineup) and even when PS4 sold 115m+ units Switch 1 managed to sell 155m+. Nintendo is "enough for everybody" and Nintendo now apparently has all the third party games. You supposedly "predicted" Switch 1 150m+ sales with less info available to you. What's the hold up?
 
heroeskillrats said:
Nintendo Switch already proved this wrong. A hybrid console doesn't sell like a handheld, it has everything Nintendo and third party support which is enough for everybody.
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A hybrid console is just a handheld with a dock. You can use the handheld without a dock but you can't use the dock without the handheld.

Limited third party support and the worst performance by far.
 
Yrassinad said:
A hybrid is selling exactly like a handheld
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Nope. A real handheld was way more limited in power and needed specific games. A hybrid can outsell any traditional or handheld console because it outperforms both and does both. Remember that NS1 didn't even have the biggest third party games yet and this only started to be possible with Switch 2.
 
heroeskillrats said:
Nope. A real handheld was way more limited in power and needed specific games. A hybrid can outsell any traditional or handheld console because it outperforms both and does both. Remember that NS1 didn't even have the biggest third party games yet and this only started to be possible with Switch 2.
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A hybrid doesn't outperform a traditional console, stop the cope man. Switch 2 is barely outperforming a PS4 Pro. Let alone a PS5 or PS6.

And yeah you don't have to remind me that Switch 1 didn't have the biggest third party games, you should remind yourself of that because it's going to be exactly the same with Switch 2. And even when these games do make it to Switch 2, it's the worst way to play them unless you have to be on the go.
 
heroeskillrats said:
Of course it does. If you bought discs on PS1-PS5 and you then buy PS6 and PS handheld, you can play nothing.
If someone bought Switch 1 and then buys Switch 2, all of their games work.
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What a dumb fucking argument. Yeah, none of my SNES cartridges work on my Switch 1/2 either. Neither do the GameCube and Wii discs people bought. Or even the Wii U games. What's your point?

And guess what, those PS1-PS5 discs won't work on a Switch 2 either. All this means is that someone who has been buying Switch games all this time is less likely to drop Nintendo whole sale and move to another platform. Just like a PlayStation gamer, who have been buying the majority of their games digitally in recent years. I'm someone who buys most of my games physical and even I have hundreds of digital games on PS just through PS+ redemptions.
 
heroeskillrats said:
They won't work on Sony's next consoles so they might as well switch to Switch 2.
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Why the fuck would they? Unless they are really hardcore physical game purists, they'd gain absolutely nothing other than trading Sony exclusives and full third party support at high resolutions/framerates for Nintendo exclusives (which they likely don't care about, otherwise they wouldn't be on PS5) and spotty third party support with games running at much lower fidelity and framerates. Their PS5s are not going anywhere and will be receiving games for many more years.

Also, even people who primarily buy physical will still have tons of digital content. PS+ games, save files, DLC packs etc. All kinds of stuff they'd lose by swapping platforms. And for what?

You are stupid as fuck if you think people are going to "upgrade" from PS5 to Switch 2. At least a few months ago you were only arguing about people swapping from PS4 to Switch 2, at least that was somewhat more in the orbit of reality. .
 
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