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Why not just watch a movie?

Games and movies are not viable replacements for each other tbh. Just because a game has a cinematic adult-themed story doesn't mean it lacks everything else that makes a game a game.

Then you see how redundant Xbox/PS has become.

How have they become redundant? They're the only ones providing a high-end home console. Console still offers an experience that is quite noticeably different from PC, and Nintendo doesn't offer a valid replacement for these devices either because its performance could be described as gen 8.5 at best, not gen 9 and let alone gen 10. Yeah it's great that I can play FF7 Remake on the go, a game I played originally on PS4 back in 2020, and have it look just as good as when I played it. But we're no longer on PS4. PS5 has been out for 6 years and PS6 will drop next year. The performance Nintendo hardware is offering just doesn't cut it if you're used to more when it comes to third party games. Which is what 100m+ customers are used to.

Sony and Microsoft releasing stinkers isn't healthy for their platforms and it makes them look like clowns.

Dude, just try to stay in touch with reality. These stinkers don't matter because 90% of Sony's game revenue comes from games they don't make anyway. Games that people still prefer to play on their hardware even though they're also available on PC, Xbox or in some cases Nintendo. The sooner you accept that this is just the status quo, the sooner you can just appreciate what Nintendo is doing instead of having to fantasize about a future where they finally take revenge on Sony for booting them out of the home console market in the 2000s. Call of Duty sells more PlayStation consoles than any of their own shit. And as we can see, Call of Duty finally being on Nintendo again is not really making a difference.

Zelda is actually interactive and a game. It’s not press square and move a little bit.

All these games are interactive. These AAA cinematic games just include more non-interactive segments but you're still on the sticks 80-90% of the runtime.
 
Games and movies are not viable replacements for each other tbh. Just because a game has a cinematic adult-themed story doesn't mean it lacks everything else that makes a game a game.


All these games are interactive. These AAA cinematic games just include more non-interactive segments but you're still on the sticks 80-90% of the runtime.

His argument doesn't make sense. Why watch a movie when you can read a book instead?
 
They're the only ones providing a high-end home console.
Yes, mr sony lawyer thanks your defense of the uuuuh Sony Evil Inc. but Call of Duty is now on everything. Thanks for playing.
Weird way you talk so obsessively about a company losing but you apparently don't care if Sony loses. Very curious.
When Nintendo was losing I didn't give a shit, I knew they were gonna win anyways so I just waited until NX came out.

Dude, just try to stay in touch with reality.
You know you're insane, right? Like actually insane. I've told you many times before you're the delusional one for a reason.
The fact you think I care about Playstation dying or Sony losing is dumb. I care about as much as Xbox dying which is not at all.
Everything you're saying is simply not tied to reality or any historical basis.

Take this for example:
Call of Duty sells more PlayStation consoles
So Xbox is dying because their exclusives and marketing is shit and they simply did what Sony wanted to do first, like killing physical.
PC gamers doesn't give a shit about COD, COD wasn't on Nintendo. Yet somehow Sony winning in the future is gonna be about COD which is already declining in sales? lol. lmao.
 
Yes, mr sony lawyer thanks your defense of the uuuuh Sony Evil Inc. but Call of Duty is now on everything. Thanks for playing.
Weird way you talk so obsessively about a company losing but you apparently don't care if Sony loses. Very curious.
When Nintendo was losing I didn't give a shit, I knew they were gonna win anyways so I just waited until NX came out.


You know you're insane, right? Like actually insane. I've told you many times before you're the delusional one for a reason.
The fact you think I care about Playstation dying or Sony losing is dumb. I care about as much as Xbox dying which is not at all.
Everything you're saying is simply not tied to reality or any historical basis.

Take this for example:

So Xbox is dying because their exclusives and marketing is shit and they simply did what Sony wanted to do first, like killing physical.
PC gamers doesn't give a shit about COD, COD wasn't on Nintendo. Yet somehow Sony winning in the future is gonna be about COD which is already declining in sales? lol. lmao.

If you don't care why even make a thread about Sony being in trouble next gen?
 
Yes, mr sony lawyer thanks your defense of the uuuuh Sony Evil Inc. but Call of Duty is now on everything. Thanks for playing.
Weird way you talk so obsessively about a company losing but you apparently don't care if Sony loses. Very curious.
When Nintendo was losing I didn't give a shit, I knew they were gonna win anyways so I just waited until NX came out.

Congrats, Call of Duty is finally back on Nintendo after a 20-year hiatus. Now what? You think the ball and gun gamers on PS5 are now going to run out to buy a Switch 2 so they can play the game they already had but with lower framerates and graphics? You think they're gonna play it on the shitter and get completely bodied by people not playing on wifi and joycons?

I'm not talking obsessively about a company losing dude, no one here is losing. This is the difference between you and me. You think one platform must win and the rest is all losing. I've always maintained that Sony and Nintendo are both doing well and both can co-exist just fine since they address totally different niches and in many ways a single person can buy both systems and get the best of both worlds. Unlike say Xbox which is offering 99% the same as what you get on a PlayStation, just worse.

I really don't care if Sony were to actually lose, because whatever is currently available on it will just move to something else. But they're nowhere near losing.

You know you're insane, right? Like actually insane. I've told you many times before you're the delusional one for a reason.
The fact you think I care about Playstation dying or Sony losing is dumb. I care about as much as Xbox dying which is not at all.
Everything you're saying is simply not tied to reality or any historical basis.

It's very obvious you care about PlayStation dying and Sony losing due to how much you're fantasizing about it. Not even the people pissed off at Sony for killing physical on this place are as mad at Sony's existence as you are. You're already writing the obituary for PS6 even though we know nothing about it other than some leaked specs. You're obsessed with your fantasy of PlayStation collapsing so Nintendo can take its place. Because deep down you too want to play all these games at higher performance than Nintendo is offering, that's why you fantasize about them returning to the home console space. Even though hybrid handhelds supposedly already outperform a traditional console lmao.

So Xbox is dying because their exclusives and marketing is shit and they simply did what Sony wanted to do first, like killing physical.
PC gamers doesn't give a shit about COD, COD wasn't on Nintendo. Yet somehow Sony winning in the future is gonna be about COD which is already declining in sales? lol. lmao.

Yes Xbox is dying because of a long list of bad moves and because there is another product on the market that offers 99% the same thing Xbox offers and more. The same cannot be said for PlayStation, how hard is that to grasp man? If PlayStation didn't exist, Xbox would be selling 100m+ units despite all their fuck ups. Nintendo offers a wildly different product than what Xbox/PS offer.

It's also funny as fuck how you make all this hooplah about COD now finally being on Nintendo again but then act like PlayStation farming all that COD money for decades is coming to an end because it's declining in sales. If it's declining in sales how exactly is it going to benefit Nintendo then, Einstein?

You think PC gamers are the only ones who don't give a shit about COD? Just wait until you survey your average Switch 2 user.
 
Congrats, Call of Duty is finally back on Nintendo after a 20-year hiatus. Now what? You think the ball and gun gamers on PS5 are now going to run out to buy a Switch 2 so they can play the game they already had but with lower framerates and graphics? You think they're gonna play it on the shitter and get completely bodied by people not playing on wifi and joycons?

I'm not talking obsessively about a company losing dude, no one here is losing. This is the difference between you and me. You think one platform must win and the rest is all losing. I've always maintained that Sony and Nintendo are both doing well and both can co-exist just fine since they address totally different niches and in many ways a single person can buy both systems and get the best of both worlds. Unlike say Xbox which is offering 99% the same as what you get on a PlayStation, just worse.

I really don't care if Sony were to actually lose, because whatever is currently available on it will just move to something else. But they're nowhere near losing.



It's very obvious you care about PlayStation dying and Sony losing due to how much you're fantasizing about it. Not even the people pissed off at Sony for killing physical on this place are as mad at Sony's existence as you are. You're already writing the obituary for PS6 even though we know nothing about it other than some leaked specs. You're obsessed with your fantasy of PlayStation collapsing so Nintendo can take its place. Because deep down you too want to play all these games at higher performance than Nintendo is offering, that's why you fantasize about them returning to the home console space. Even though hybrid handhelds supposedly already outperform a traditional console lmao.

It's obvious that he cares.

He suffers from console war ptsd and can't let go the gen 5 and gen 6 ass whoopings Nintendo received from Playstation. That and the Wii U situation.

He's living in a fantasy world in where Nintendo dominates the high end market.
 
Previously I wasn't sure what Nintendo was going to do in the future, now I do.

You've been saying this shit about Nintendo killing PlayStation the entire time you've been here. The only thing that's changed is that now that the component price crisis make it more and more likely PS6 is going to come in near the $1000 mark, you have this renewed hope of thinking Sony will actually suffer a massive collapse and Nintendo will somehow be able to take its place (as if the same factors that would collapse Sony don't apply to Nintendo if they're making a home console). But if you should've learned anything in the past year, it should've been to not believe your own hopes. The same hopes that made you "predict" GTA6 and PlayStation ports on Switch 2.

Nintendo isn't going to do shit dude, they're just going to continue what has been working thus far. They don't need to fight and steal users from Sony who are now more entrenched than they've ever been (aside from a small subsect of diehard physical gamers). If anything their business model is currently under some minor pressure, because in the past Nintendo was making some healthy profits from their hardware on top of the software sales but now they're basically subsidizing or selling the hardware at cost to keep it affordable. Fighting Sony would become an insanely costly battle rather quickly.
 
You've been saying this shit about Nintendo killing PlayStation the entire time you've been here.
Yeah, but I don't know what Nintendo would do and what they got planned but I know Nintendo as a company.
If you really think all of this was about the AI crisis then no.

Fighting Sony would become an insanely costly battle rather quickly.
Unlike Sony who keeps cutting costs Nintendo's already doing that by expanding and saying they're looking out for investments.
Of course how Nintendo choses to fight might be a bit different from how Sony and Microsoft does things. I think Nintendo might expand more inside Japan and in Asia for cost-cutting reasons and for long-term stability. I think investing into Retro still makes sense though if they're looking to change Retro into classical shooters or something else, new IPs, rather than using them as the 3D Metroid factory.
 
NIntendo fanboys are usually just evangelical over their output. To a point where some of them ignore the wider gaming landscape.

then you have @heroeskillrats perpetually platform warring instead of just enjoying the content.

Playstation and Nintendo are hardly even comparable businesses, but the way you're always framing Nintendo as some future benevolent leader of the industry is just very cringe. Just accept their position and enjoy the games.

You do way to much, that's coming from someone who loves Nintendo.
 
Yeah, but I don't know what Nintendo would do and what they got planned but I know Nintendo as a company.
If you really think all of this was about the AI crisis then no.

You clearly don't know Nintendo as a company, you've constantly made wrong and insanely bullish predictions about their plans. You believe they somehow want to fight Sony when they've repeatedly said they don't care about that fight in the past.

Unlike Sony who keeps cutting costs Nintendo's already doing that by expanding and saying they're looking out for investments.
Of course how Nintendo choses to fight might be a bit different from how Sony and Microsoft does things. I think Nintendo might expand more inside Japan and in Asia for cost-cutting reasons and for long-term stability. I think investing into Retro still makes sense though if they're looking to change Retro into classical shooters or something else, new IPs, rather than using them as the 3D Metroid factory.

What investments is Nintendo making man? Sony is cutting costs after they spent billions on acquisitions, something Nintendo hasn't done. Sony is spending way more money on acquisitions, marketing deals, R&D, studio expansions and so on. Sony has always been the far more aggressive company out of the two and nothing has changed there.

Even with how many games they cancelled and studios they've shut down, they still have more studios now than they did at the start of the generation. Almost all the shutdowns were on stuff they acquired post-2020 anyway.

Here you are again fantasizing about Nintendo's expansions, meanwhile it's Sony who's going to be encroaching on Nintendo's territory soon rather than the other way around. Not saying it's going to change anything but Nintendo is by far the more passive company here.

NIntendo fanboys are usually just evangelical over their output. To a point where some of them ignore the wider gaming landscape.

then you have @heroeskillrats perpetually platform warring instead of just enjoying the content.

Playstation and Nintendo are hardly even comparable businesses, but the way you're always framing Nintendo as some future benevolent leader of the industry is just very cringe. Just accept their position and enjoy the games.

You do way to much, that's coming from someone who loves Nintendo.

I really don't get him man, Nintendo has been killing it since 2017. They found a perfect solution to the predicament of having to juggle a home console and a handheld and always having one of the two underperform. Their franchises have found huge new audiences. And yet this guy thinks all this time they've been primarily concerned with figuring out ways to dislodge the 100m+ PlayStation gamers away from that platform instead of continuing what they're best at, which is drawing in new players entirely and capturing them before any other gaming company does.

One platform is focused on portability and first party games, the other one is focused on high performance and third party games. They are barely overlapping, which is why so many people buy both. But somehow that's not enough for this bloodthirsty Nintendo he has conjured up in his head, Nintendo doesn't just want those PS gamers to buy a Switch 2, they need to stop buying PlayStation all together. Why? Only this dude who is consuming more shrooms than Mario can tell.
 
It means, you're a hopeless idiot.
Stop insulting yourself.

You believe they somehow want to fight Sony when they've repeatedly said they don't care about that fight in the past.
"In response to this situation, it is crucial that we provide unique entertainment experiences that only Nintendo can offer, so that customers will choose us." From their latest Q&A. Nintendo says all the time they want people to only choose them over everything else.

What investments is Nintendo making man? Sony is cutting costs after they spent billions on acquisitions, something Nintendo hasn't done. Sony is spending way more money on acquisitions, marketing deals, R&D, studio expansions and so on. Sony has always been the far more aggressive company out of the two and nothing has changed there.
You mean like Bungie? Yeah, that worked out great.

One platform is focused on portability and first party games, the other one is focused on high performance and third party games. They are barely overlapping, which is why so many people buy both.
You've said it yourself you're not gonna buy PS. "High performance consoles" is just Sony's lawyer talk because Xbox bought COD so they needed a reason why Playstation would die if they lost those type of things. They were desperate.
 
"In response to this situation, it is crucial that we provide unique entertainment experiences that only Nintendo can offer, so that customers will choose us." From their latest Q&A. Nintendo says all the time they want people to only choose them over everything else.

There is a big difference between what they're actually saying and how you're reading it. They're saying they want customers to choose them, not choose only them.

They're also saying they want to provide "unique entertainment experiences that only Nintendo can offer" aka first party exclusives. Note how they're not trying to make third party games that release elsewhere the main selling point of their hardware.

Nintendo doesn't give a fuck whether I run a Switch 2 only or a PS5/PC+Switch 2 combo. Would they prefer me to buy all multiplatform games on their hardware instead of other hardware? Obviously. But I probably spent more on my Switch while it was a secondary device for me than many people running it as their primary.

You mean like Bungie? Yeah, that worked out great.

Yeah, the Bungie acquisition was and is a fucking disaster. But that's not the point. The point is that Sony dropped nearly $4bn on them. So arguing that Sony is not expanding while Nintendo is, is completely detached from reality. Just because some of these acquisitions backfired doesn't mean that they're not expanding. Again, Sony has expanded more than Nintendo did. Between 2020 and now PlayStation gained about 2,800 new employees while Nintendo increased by about 2,500.

You've said it yourself you're not gonna buy PS. "High performance consoles" is just Sony's lawyer talk because Xbox bought COD so they needed a reason why Playstation would die if they lost those type of things. They were desperate.

What I and you do is irrelevant. I'm an outlier consumer. I spend far more than the average gamer and I am a diehard physical buyer. The average user spends way less than me, spends far more on live service titles, and buys the bulk or all of their games digitally.

The only reason I dipped out of buying a PS6 is because they decided to kill physical on the platform. But a lot of people don't give a fuck about physical games or even if they do, don't care enough about it to skip PlayStation. If they kept supporting discs I'd have bought one day one even if it was going to be $1500 and they announced all first party games would be launching on PC day and date.

High-performance consoles is lawyer talk (FTC lawyer in this case, not Sony lawyer) but it's not detached from reality. It's just an easy way to describe the product both Sony and Microsoft are offering and how they operate as businesses. They are very much alike in both, while Nintendo has a different business structure and offers a different product (something you refuse to accept). There is a reason the judge in the ABK case accepted the framing (not just in the US but the UK as well), which is something she wouldn't have done if the consensus among industry experts is that this is not an accurate reflection of the realities on the market.

Abysmal software numbers. Remove nintendo games and u re left with 20, 30 million third party sales.

This is like highlighting how few sales would be left for PlayStation if you removed all third party sales. Hint: it'd be even less than the third party sales on Nintendo.
 
They're saying they want customers to choose them, not choose only them.
I've seen way too many "And here's my I'm leaving Playstation post" and they're always either posting Switch 2.
You can blame the algo but in the past you've never see posts like that and it's happening because Nintendo has third party support.

Note how they're not trying to make third party games that release elsewhere the main selling point of their hardware.
Of course they are, and third parties want their games to sell on Switch 2 because they.... want to make money. I know that goes against your famous companies loves to lose money theory.

Yeah, the Bungie acquisition was and is a fucking disaster. But that's not the point. The point is that Sony dropped nearly $4bn on them. So arguing that Sony is not expanding while Nintendo is, is completely detached from reality. Just because some of these acquisitions backfired doesn't mean that they're not expanding. Again, Sony has expanded more than Nintendo did. Between 2020 and now PlayStation gained about 2,800 new employees while Nintendo increased by about 2,500.
Point is Sony expands and then closes shit down and has layoffs. Nintendo expands and keeps talent.

High-performance consoles is lawyer talk (FTC lawyer in this case, not Sony lawyer) but it's not detached from reality. It's just an easy way to describe the product both Sony and Microsoft are offering and how they operate as businesses.
Shawn Layden is out there the next PS should be $300, so even ex-Sony boss basically half admits that Nintendo was right all along.
 
I've seen way too many "And here's my I'm leaving Playstation post" and they're always either posting Switch 2.
You can blame the algo but in the past you've never see posts like that and it's happening because Nintendo has third party support.

Dude, the internet is feeding you what you want to see and in your case it's obvious you desperately want to see people go from PS to Nintendo. In reality anytime I do see anyone talking about leaving PS it's almost always to PC because they romanticize Steam, free online, better prices, modding etc. And because it'll actually offer 99% of the same games they're used to at similar or better levels of fidelity and performance. No one is going to leave PlayStation for Nintendo over third party games they're already getting access to at higher performance and fidelity.

Nintendo is only a viable replacement for PlayStation if you're content with giving up on full third party support and performance and are ok with pivoting the majority of your playtime to Nintendo games.

Of course they are, and third parties want their games to sell on Switch 2 because they.... want to make money. I know that goes against your famous companies loves to lose money theory.

Oh now you're adding more random shit to that quote that's not on there. They're saying they want "unique entertainment experiences that only Nintendo can offer", this naturally excludes third party games because not only can they be played elsewhere, they also play better elsewhere.

And yeah, third parties want to make money. Which is also why some of them understand that they can distinguish themselves by making games in genres that sell poorly on Switch or by chasing a level of graphical fidelity or scope that just isn't achievable on a Switch 2. Again, publishers skipped Switch 1 for years despite it having 150m units sold. You may have deluded yourself into thinking Switch 2 is on par with PS5/XSX but in reality it's nowhere near the same level of performance, and if developers are looking to fully use the power that PS6/Helix are going to offer, we're again going to have a similar hardware gap between PS6 and Switch 2 as we had between Switch 1 and PS5.

You vastly overestimate how much money there is to be made on Nintendo hardware for third parties. Not only does most of the money on the platform go to Nintendo's own stuff, a decent chunk of its users are not running it as their only device and can already be reached with versions on other platforms.

Point is Sony expands and then closes shit down and has layoffs. Nintendo expands and keeps talent.

Can you not read? Sony has expanded more than Nintendo did in the same time period, and that's with the layoffs accounted for. Layoffs are totally irrelevant if the net number is still higher than before.

Shawn Layden is out there the next PS should be $300, so even ex-Sony boss basically half admits that Nintendo was right all along.

Yeah except the Switch 2 is also $500 (for now) and not $300. And he's not saying Nintendo is right, he's arguing that console developers should now be finding ways to offer the same level of performance as PS5 for less rather than just continuously raising the performance levels even more. Note how he says they should make a $300 PS5 and not saying they should go back to PS4 Pro levels of performance.
 
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