If China shows up for the game like they did with Wukong it will have 1+ mil concurrent on launch.It's performing super well in the PS Store worldwide:
IconEra
Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Phantom Blade Zero | Review Thread
- Thread starter John Elden Ring
- Start date
Review
Massively lower developer salaries and a higher tolerance for crunch give East Asian game studios a huge competitive edge over the US. We're talking about fractions of the cost of US developer salaries. IIRC Wukong only cost $50-$70 million. US based development companies are gonna need to rely more and more on AI integration to manage costs and bridge the budget gap.
Offshoring happened with American manufacturing a generation ago, and it's happening now with games, especially when East Asian and Indian salaries are often as low as 20 cents to the dollar.
And yes those reviews are generally speaking good tbh!
It's gonna be the best melee gameplay ever in the gaming industry. Goons comparing this high-end gameplay to clunky ass souls-like is funny which has the second worst melee combat after the crown jewel of clunkiness The Blood of Dawnwalker which is extremely painful to watch let alone play.
Devs should have way lower salaries than they are in the US, and only have a percentage of the sales to force them to make good games. If so we won't see as much woke garbage as we see today.
US studios were fine with $20-50M budgets. Passion isn't there anymore, and Blackrock inflated that shit a lot. This over-budget could end up being another money laundry scam that we don't know about and feeding another Epstein island clone.
I don't think there is any passion in US game development as there is more emphasis on DEI hiring
Dude, stop bringing up bribery allegations against Microsoft for business dealings they were having abroad like 10-20 years ago as somehow meaning they definitely bribe gaming outlets to write negative reviews about other people's games. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny at all. If it was true then Sony games would never get high scores from these outlets, but they do, and Xbox games would never get low scores, but they do.
Microsoft encouraged console warring, ok? What do you think PlayStation has done? And Nintendo has absolutely encouraged platform warring against Sega and Sony in the 90s and early 2000s too.
Also if having some shady or dodgy actions totally unrelated to games media is enough to make a company suspicious then what about Nintendo's history with the yakuza? Or the fact that both Sony and Nintendo have been sued for price fixing in the past?
You wanna know something funny, out of these three companies only Sony has ever been caught trying to manipulate reviews. In the early 2000s they created a fake movie reviewer and featured quotes from "his" reviews on posters for those movies.
Well, I mean books and movies using 5-point scales is a decent argument for why games should too. A 5-point scale is not inherently worse than a 10-point one, but the problem is when both are getting mixed and matched on aggregate review sites like Metacritic.
You know the cost of living in the US is vastly higher and these game companies are competing for people with a lot of the technical skillset that the tech industry at large uses as well, where salaries are insanely high?
US studios were having $20-25m budgets in the past because games were far less ambitious and much smaller in scope. Japanese dev budgets have also skyrocketed compared to 20 years ago, it's just that the salaries that are livable in Japan are much lower and the yen has depreciated a lot compared to the dollar.
Nerds have made plenty of stinkers and dogshit games, and people from minority backgrounds can and often will be nerds as well. You guys are taking the greatest hits of the 90s and 2000s, ignore all the trash that came out during those years, and are comparing it to the mediocre and bad games of today that will be forgotten about in a handful of years.
The "undiluted vision" only exists because it's cheap enough to protect. When your average developer salary is closer to $50k than $200k, you can do a lot of tinkering and don't need to rush games out. Eastern studios can afford to let creators be passionate because a commercial flop won't bankrupt the entire publisher.
The studio doesn't need to be in California. It can be in other states to justify lower budgets. That's it.
They aren't huge fans of Xbox however so it's gonna be interesting if they put it there.
That's too simplistic.Because they don't have woke mind virus
Massively lower developer salaries and a higher tolerance for crunch give East Asian game studios a huge competitive edge over the US. We're talking about fractions of the cost of US developer salaries. IIRC Wukong only cost $50-$70 million. US based development companies are gonna need to rely more and more on AI integration to manage costs and bridge the budget gap.
Offshoring happened with American manufacturing a generation ago, and it's happening now with games, especially when East Asian and Indian salaries are often as low as 20 cents to the dollar.
Last edited:
You're disgusting
China hero has produced some solid games before
Disagree, part of what makes eastern games isn't the low salaries, it's because it's made by people who are still fans of the product and have a vision of what they want to make that is undiluted by focus testing and all the typical AAA kpi metric slop
It sounds like it's a must have game for sure.
And yes those reviews are generally speaking good tbh!
Keep coping. Crunch has nothing to do with the quality of the game lol
He is just coping
It's gonna be the best melee gameplay ever in the gaming industry. Goons comparing this high-end gameplay to clunky ass souls-like is funny which has the second worst melee combat after the crown jewel of clunkiness The Blood of Dawnwalker which is extremely painful to watch let alone play.
Devs should have way lower salaries than they are in the US, and only have a percentage of the sales to force them to make good games. If so we won't see as much woke garbage as we see today.
US studios were fine with $20-50M budgets. Passion isn't there anymore, and Blackrock inflated that shit a lot. This over-budget could end up being another money laundry scam that we don't know about and feeding another Epstein island clone.
Ai: Limit is an underrated anime souls game
Prometheus
Veteran
And thank God for that. Fuck Soul games.
Prometheus
Veteran
When nerds make video games you know damn well you're going to get a good product.
I don't think there is any passion in US game development as there is more emphasis on DEI hiring
Dude, stop bringing up bribery allegations against Microsoft for business dealings they were having abroad like 10-20 years ago as somehow meaning they definitely bribe gaming outlets to write negative reviews about other people's games. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny at all. If it was true then Sony games would never get high scores from these outlets, but they do, and Xbox games would never get low scores, but they do.
Microsoft encouraged console warring, ok? What do you think PlayStation has done? And Nintendo has absolutely encouraged platform warring against Sega and Sony in the 90s and early 2000s too.
Also if having some shady or dodgy actions totally unrelated to games media is enough to make a company suspicious then what about Nintendo's history with the yakuza? Or the fact that both Sony and Nintendo have been sued for price fixing in the past?
You wanna know something funny, out of these three companies only Sony has ever been caught trying to manipulate reviews. In the early 2000s they created a fake movie reviewer and featured quotes from "his" reviews on posters for those movies.
Well, I mean books and movies using 5-point scales is a decent argument for why games should too. A 5-point scale is not inherently worse than a 10-point one, but the problem is when both are getting mixed and matched on aggregate review sites like Metacritic.
You know the cost of living in the US is vastly higher and these game companies are competing for people with a lot of the technical skillset that the tech industry at large uses as well, where salaries are insanely high?
US studios were having $20-25m budgets in the past because games were far less ambitious and much smaller in scope. Japanese dev budgets have also skyrocketed compared to 20 years ago, it's just that the salaries that are livable in Japan are much lower and the yen has depreciated a lot compared to the dollar.
Nerds have made plenty of stinkers and dogshit games, and people from minority backgrounds can and often will be nerds as well. You guys are taking the greatest hits of the 90s and 2000s, ignore all the trash that came out during those years, and are comparing it to the mediocre and bad games of today that will be forgotten about in a handful of years.
Having a 50%-80% advantage on salaries is coping? You post some retarded shit on here, but this takes the cake.
The "undiluted vision" only exists because it's cheap enough to protect. When your average developer salary is closer to $50k than $200k, you can do a lot of tinkering and don't need to rush games out. Eastern studios can afford to let creators be passionate because a commercial flop won't bankrupt the entire publisher.
Last edited:
The studio doesn't need to be in California. It can be in other states to justify lower budgets. That's it.
Very hard to build studios in many states because the infrastructure and talent pull just isn't there. Same reason why you don't see movies being filmed outside of very specific locations
After a year the game will have done everything it needs to do. It's always good to give the devs the option if they want to put the game else where.
They aren't huge fans of Xbox however so it's gonna be interesting if they put it there.