Sony needs to wait at least 3 years to put a game on PS+, needs to stop copying MS

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they've completely ruined Horizon Forbidden West sales including the game a year later on the catalog of Extra/Premium, they need to put games on the service after the 2 year window of sales, the right thing would be to put them on Plus Extra/Premium 3 years after the initial release, i do not want PlayStation to be viewed as a subscription service in the future, this is what'll end up happening if they start to push PS Plus too much, the most important thing THEY NEED TO STOP looking at what Microsoft is doing and creating responses to it, instead of doing big acquisitions like they did with Bungie, they should've invested 3 billion dollars on their own studios, creating multiple teams across Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Bend, Insomniac Games, Santa Monica Studio, Firesprite and Guerrila to be able to develop multiple projects at the same time, having at least 2 projects being developed at the same time, similar to what Insomniac already have today, they need to apply the Insomniac model of developing games to all of their first party studios


instead of trying to compete with GamePass, and instead of trying to mimic Microsoft's moves (last place), they should be looking to copy Nintendo and their model, this is the model that is sustainable and will provide them long term streght to continue to be relevant in this market
 
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another thing that bothers me: they lower the value of their own games to a point where they sell a game of the year game like The Last Of Us Part II for miserable 10 dollars on a sale, Nintendo would never do such a thing, and that's why they're so profitable, the same games that were released with the Switch back in 2017 are still costing 60 dollars, meanwhile, Horizon Zero Dawn released in the same year was given for free in the Play At Home initiative and is constantly being sold for 10 dollars on the store, if their games are so expensive to produce, they need to be priced at a premium price and not go on heavy sales, they need to cost 60/70 and be dropped to a max of 10 - 20 dollars on a sale (sold for at minimum 40 - 50 dollars), these games are costing 200 - 300 million dollars to make, they need to be priced at a premium price, not given for free on bundles and discounted heavly
 
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if i were the next CEO:

immediatly stop the 'PlayStation Hits' initiative, it's unsustainable for this generation and even last gen (premium games need to have premium prices, lock that shit on 60/70)
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put games on Plus Extra/Premium only after 2 and a half - 3 years after the release date
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stop PC porting immediatly, put Nixxes to work on PS3 backwards compatibility and Remastered Collections / Remakes for the PS5
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work on a NATIVE handheld that is simply called PS6 portable, released TOGETHER with the PS6, running the same games and backwards compatible with the PS4/PS5 library + PS6 games, a premium device, designed for the japanese market, very powerful like the rog ally, priced at 600 dollars, sales of the device to be counted together with PS6 sales, same thing as PS5 Pro (the handheld could be called PS5 Lite or something similar)
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When did Sony copy MS?

We're really getting these threads for the sake of getting them. A lot of it doesn't even make sense.

Sony so much as farts and it's all over.
they're literally copying everything MS did last gen, PC initiative, aggressive subscription service, and now they'll pursue Cloud gaming very aggressivly too, console will take the backseat
 

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they're literally copying everything MS did last gen, PC initiative, aggressive subscription service, and now they'll pursue Cloud gaming very aggressivly too, console will take the backseat
Except one tiny little detail. MS does all that day one. Sony waits a few years. Major difference. Also, despite all that, Sony still sells a crapload of consoles, software and subscriptions. Something MS can;t do, despite everything being day one.
 
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they've completely ruined Horizon Forbidden West sales including the game a year later on the catalog of Extra/Premium, they need to put games on the service after the 2 year window of sales, the right thing would be to put them on Plus Extra/Premium 3 years after the initial release, i do not want PlayStation to be viewed as a subscription service in the future, this is what'll end up happening if they start to push PS Plus too much, the most important thing THEY NEED TO STOP looking at what Microsoft is doing and creating responses to it, instead of doing big acquisitions like they did with Bungie, they should've invested 3 billion dollars on their own studios, creating multiple teams across Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Bend, Insomniac Games, Santa Monica Studio, Firesprite and Guerrila to be able to develop multiple projects at the same time, having at least 2 projects being developed at the same time, similar to what Insomniac already have today, they need to apply the Insomniac model of developing games to all of their first party studios


instead of trying to compete with GamePass, and instead of trying to mimic Microsoft's moves (last place), they should be looking to copy Nintendo and their model, this is the model that is sustainable and will provide them long term streght to continue to be relevant in this market
They need to put first party games onto PS+ after 5 years.

Same w the PC port.

Just like putting your games on subscription negatively effect PS, PC ports are negatively effecting PS.

If we didn’t get the leaks we wouldn’t have thought putting your games on PS+ 1-2 years would fully flatline the game even 2-3 years it’s to short unless it’s a game like Sackboy, Astro Bot or a small AA game w a budget less then 30 million even then a AA game would also flatline unless those games going into PS+ has MTX or some form of online 4 player coop that can entice players to buy the game & hope they buy MTX.
 

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When did Sony copy MS?

We're really getting these threads for the sake of getting them. A lot of it doesn't even make sense.

Sony so much as farts and it's all over.
Yeah i dont get it either. They experimented with Horizon on plus and learned quickly that it does indeed quickly destroy sales and would assume that that wont happen on that timeline again anytime soon.
 

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Half the people here are still in denial and will either pretend they arent seeing it or will get mad at you for pointing it out.

Devaluing their own games by quickly putting them on PS+ and PC not only kills the sales of that specific title but also weakens sales of all their future games for many years to come.

We cant do anything about it, if Sony wants to destroy their business so be it.

I just don't get how someone can hate Xbox yet like this modern PlayStation that is just Xbox of some years ago.

When did Sony copy MS?
All the time?
 
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Except one tiny little detail. MS does all that day one. Sony waits a few years. Major difference. Also, despite all that, Sony still sells a crapload of consoles, software and subscriptions. Something MS can;t do, despite everything being day one.
you have the CEO of the entire company telling you ON VIDEO their future will be "ubiquous" and wherever there is computing power people will play their games, doesn't this remember you of someone?
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really... sometimes i feel like people on this site live on a bubble or something, Sony is literally going in the same direction as Microsoft and this is TERRIBLE. they're literally desperate and were considering putting PS Plus on Fire Stick and Smart TVs because Microsoft bought Activision, we have documents of that in the Insomniac leak, they're literally making these steps little by little and the outcome will be the same, the death of the console, if they want to remain supreme in this area they need to be like Nintendo, play ONLY on their hardware.
 

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They’re not putting them on extra. Horizon and Returnal were to bolster the service’s launch and sacrificed for just that. I don’t see them doing it with most of their blockbuster games at all; stuff like Ragnarok and GT7 are evergreen sellers…. Extra is not like gamepass. Gamepass is a revenue and studio killing disaster.

They haven’t added anything major since these. It’s mostly just been a dumping ground for Ubisoft and square’s flop factories
 
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Yeah i dont get it either. They experimented with Horizon on plus and learned quickly that it does indeed quickly destroy sales and would assume that that wont happen on that timeline again anytime soon.
you don't get it? i'll simplify for you...

the future of PlayStation: PC, Mobile, Cloud and Console (and Smart TVs potentially)

now tell me, how do you continue to sell 100M+ consoles every gen if your games are going to run on everything? we're seeing Xbox console sales declining year over year after they pushed this PC and Cloud thing.
 
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They’re not putting them on extra. Horizon and Returnal were to bolster the service’s launch and sacrificed for just that. I don’t see them doing it with most of their blockbuster games at all; stuff like Ragnarok and GT7 are evergreen sellers…. Extra is not like gamepass. Gamepass is a revenue and studio killing disaster.

They haven’t added anything major since these. It’s mostly just been a dumping ground for Ubisoft and square’s flop factories
they're pushing day one releases on the service, even if these games are indies, it creates a bad habit of users not wanting to pay for the games
 
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Half the people here are still in denial and will either pretend they arent seeing it or will get mad at you for pointing it out.

Devaluing their own games by quickly putting them on PS+ and PC not only kills the sales of that specific title but also weakens sales of all their future games for many years to come.

We cant do anything about it, if Sony wants to destroy their business so be it.

I just don't get how someone can hate Xbox yet like this modern PlayStation that is just Xbox of some years ago.


All the time?
they're already coming at me, when we have Kenichiro Yoshida saying on video the future of playstation will be everywhere, he even specifies, PC, Mobile, Cloud and wherever there is computing power people will have a place to play, now tell me, how will they be able to maintain relevance in the console market if every person on planet earth will be able to play games like Spiderman and God Of War on their cellphones, smart tvs, computers, tables and etc? i find it HARD to believe that people will continue to spend 500 dollars on a box to play games if the games are going to be avaliable everywhere, PlayStation will be as useless as an Xbox in the next couple years
 
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Sony is the one who started the game subs with PS Plus and PS Now, not MS.
and they completely refreshed it with a more aggressive approach to respond MS, that's the thing, why they feel like they need to respond MS moves? why can't they just follow what they've been doing with PS4 and watch MS completely destroy themselfs from inside out?
 
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and they completely refreshed it with a more aggressive approach to respond MS, that's the thing, why they feel like they need to respond MS moves? why can't they just follow what they've been doing with PS4 and watch MS completely destroy themselfs from inside out?
In their defense they have backed off on putting their games on PS+. Horizon Forbidden West was a trial and it backfired though they also used it as a eat to Stunt Game Pass which they successfully did.

But the real issue lies in putting games on PC that's where the real devaluation happens.
 
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and they completely refreshed it with a more aggressive approach to respond MS, that's the thing, why they feel like they need to respond MS moves? why can't they just follow what they've been doing with PS4 and watch MS completely destroy themselfs from inside out?
Every generation they upgrade their hardware accesories and service, learning from what's out there.

They saw that Microsoft's copy of PS Now had two good ideas: to bundle the cheap sub in the expensive one and to add a download only cheaper tier and to make a cheaper interemediate tier, which is a download only version of the PS Now copy. That's all they copied from GP so far.

Everything else Sony did it before, like including some games at launch or emulated games from previous generations in game subs. But in some rare cases, not always and not with their own games. Sony never will do it because that doesn't add to their business model: that would negatively affect it.

Sony uses PS+ and PC as secondary revenue source to mostly make more money with games that no longer sell anymore on PS. An extra on top of the normal sales, which is better than nothing having an old game sitting on the PS store getting ignoring and selling basically nothing.

When Sony did their game sub overhaul, their game subs were pretty much stuck and GP had a greath gowth. With the ovehaul, Sony's games sub revenues highly inceased and still today continue growing. And now it's the MS one the one who has been stuck since around a couple years ago, it only did grow when added the Gold subbers that didn't have it from GPU.

Regarding cloud gaming, Xcloud released later adding higher streaming quality and something Sony alreaady announced in 2013 they had it in the works for the future, and in particularly in 2019 said they planned to implement it this generation: to extend it to mobile and smart tvs.

As part of their current gen PS Now refresh, also increased its quality going beyond the Xcloud one: up to 4K, 60fps, with HDR, 3D audio and Dual Sense features. PS Now expansion to mobile (announced before GP and Xcloud existed) pretty likely will wait a bit more, in a year or two once Sony had their GaaS and PC expansions pretty much fully implemented putting Sony a top GaaS and top PC publisher, a moment where I expect to swap to pushing their off-console growth efforts to mobile, starting to release their PS cloud version there, their mobile games and maybe their PSN mobile store too.

why can't they just follow what they've been doing with PS4 and watch MS completely destroy themselfs from inside out?
This is what Sony is doing.

The most recent meaningful strategy change Sony did was around 2018, when Shawn Layden was chairman of PS Studios, Shuhei Yoshida as president/head of PS Studios and John Kodera as head of SIE. They were the ones who decided and started to expand PS Studios to GaaS/MP, PC and mobile, not Jimbo or Hermen.

Jimbo and Hermen main changes have been relatively pretty minor, since what they did was pretty much to double down on things Sony already did before:
  • Highly grow the manpower of all their existing teams
  • Acquire many companies more, some organic growth, other to expand in new areas they want to grow like GaaS, PC or eSports
  • Unify and coordinate with a global vision certain teams that previously worked independently in each region (XDEV/2nd party publishing and support, marketing, PR, CM)
  • To improve and double down their efforts and performance in all areas they had: console hardware, accesories game subs, cloud gaming, number of 1st party games developed at the same time, budget for 2nd party, number of 3rd party exclusives, VR, PC, cinema/tv show adaptations, mobile
The next permanent CEO pretty likely will also have a continuist role following what Jimbo already did, releasing all the projects they had in the work and following the strategy they already had:
  • To double down in all areas mentioned before
  • To release the console games they have in the works, a majority being non-GaaS SP games but also including some GaaS heavy hitters
  • Window for PC port release as until now: in case of GaaS day one for most cases, for the rest 2 or more years since their original PS release (original not being possible remasters or remakes).
  • To release mobile games they have in the works
  • To release mobile + PS Portal + smart tv PS cloud gaming clients
  • Pretty likely to release PSN store for PC and mobile
  • Release next gen iteration of their console (PS6), accesories, game sub, cloud gaming, VR, etc.

they're already coming at me, when we have Kenichiro Yoshida saying on video the future of playstation will be everywhere, he even specifies, PC, Mobile, Cloud and wherever there is computing power people will have a place to play, now tell me, how will they be able to maintain relevance in the console market if every person on planet earth will be able to play games like Spiderman and God Of War on their cellphones, smart tvs, computers, tables and etc? i find it HARD to believe that people will continue to spend 500 dollars on a box to play games if the games are going to be avaliable everywhere, PlayStation will be as useless as an Xbox in the next couple years
They have been saying since 2013 that they plan to bring PS games everywhere (including PC, phones, tablets or smart tvs) via PS Now.

Sony has been making computer games since the first half of the '80s, basically when computer games started to be relatively mainstream. Sony also has been making mobile games since mobile games started in the 2000s.

Most of the most popular (by usage or sales) PlayStatation games always have been always multiplatform. Exclusive games represent a small part of the game sales in PS. And PS kept dominating the console market generation after generation.

Their plan is to make more money by reaching more people who only plays in other devices and neve would play on a console, and also to allow their existing customers to play their games in more places and in different ways.

Having more money will allow them continue making high end quality games, very expensive stuff, and increase the number of games they make at the same time. Having more exposure to more people makes their brand more popular, which makes their console more popular and help them sell more consoles and games.
 
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they're already coming at me, when we have Kenichiro Yoshida saying on video the future of playstation will be everywhere, he even specifies, PC, Mobile, Cloud and wherever there is computing power people will have a place to play, now tell me, how will they be able to maintain relevance in the console market if every person on planet earth will be able to play games like Spiderman and God Of War on their cellphones, smart tvs, computers, tables and etc? i find it HARD to believe that people will continue to spend 500 dollars on a box to play games if the games are going to be avaliable everywhere, PlayStation will be as useless as an Xbox in the next couple years
At this point I'm startig to hope for no more third party exclusives from Sony, if not for FFVII Rebirth and GTA6 I would have ditched my PS5 already.

Physical media and these big third party releases pretty much all that is left for me on PS5.
The excitiment for Sony PS5 releases this gen does not even come close to PS4 release for me. There is nothing on the same level of impact of Bloodborne, Uncharted 4, GoW 2018 or TLoU Pt2.

If the Switch 2 can replace the PS5 for me when it comes to physical media I'm jumping ship.

I hate Xbox and I'll hate PlayStation conseles that are just as useless and boring as an Xbox.
 
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