It explains your delusion so much when you post shit like this. Actually completely retarded.
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Digital Foundry: PlayStation has an "exclusive of sorts for RDNA5 on handhelds"
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Without dedicated software the new PS handheld will only compete with generic PC handhelds. Its wishful thinking to put this new platform agaisnt the Switch.
They will just sell this as an accessory and wont try to compete, bc again, they got kicked out of this market before.
And while PS 1st parties are great to us hardcores, they empirically don't touch Nintendo's to a general audience.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/9216...ues-beats-sony-by-3-billion-xbox-8/index.html
And PS 1st party sales have declined since then.
I also don't get this ecosystem thing you keep going on about. A handheld with the PS ecosystem... isn't that the PS portal? And if it's about being able to play offline without streaming, do you think people will buy PS6 handheld without the home console, that the PS audience that plays powerful next gen hardware will move from home consoles to handhelds? Or do you think they will buy both, which would likely total to $1.5K+? Some of you are clearly a bit too enthralled by the GTA6 launch hype. That's not going to last forever, realistically it's half a year at most.
Would be totally silly and pointless in this day and age. Lets take our studios, do the opposite of Nintendo and split them up to make PS5 games and then PS6 games. What would be the point.
A full library of PS4, PS5 and PS6 games is what its gonna be. Hopefully they can speed up the PS1,PS2 games and bring those PS3 games over too
What is hard to understand? Its like Steamdeck, which shares the same Steam PC library.
PS Portal is online only, so nothing like a PS6 Handheld.
Some people will buy one or the other, PS6/ PS6 Handheld. Some fans will buy both like myself as I travel. Numbers will be part of the PS6 family. Its not gonna hurt sales, it just all depends on price and marketing, if they are gonna go past PS4 numbers again.
Its gonna share the same library as PS6, which is gonna be PS4, PS5 and PS6 games.
Its like a Steamdeck and Switch. No separate libraries, no1 is that retarded to do that in this day and age. Maybe some touch screen games will be for the handheld only and Vita library.
GTA5 sales went crazy after the first year, it went strong for years and more on the PS4 then PS3.
For years when people mention a PS Handheld, they make it seem like its some unattainable unicorn, while Nintendo and Valve have been doing it. Its gonna happen, no amount of confusion or bad talk on forums is gonna stop it lol. Sony isnt gonna ignore the Handheld market anymore, why should they when theres a good 10-30+ units they can sell for the next gen.
Its a Steamdeck but on PS platform and better hardware. They no longer have to worry about dedicated games, missing shoulder buttons, or dedicated memory, those Vita issues are gone
And Steam Deck, while a great system for its audience, has only sold 4-6 million. It’s not remotely a threat to Nintendo. People are acting like the PS6 handheld is going to sell 100M+ and beat Nintendo now that “they’re directly confronting them with their whole ecosystem which has historically not worked out for Nintendo” ignoring how Nintendo has beat “their whole ecosystem” with Wii and Switch while Sony’s has historically never done more than 52% of Nintendo’s respective system with their handhelds and there’s nothing indicating this’ll be anything different.
You at least seem to have a more realistic outlook on how much the PS6 handhelds could sell but I’m referring those that seem to think PS will now also start dominating handhelds after having previously gotten trounced so bad they threw it away.
Although I do have to question why you think Switch 2 won’t sell 100 million at its price while you think PS6 and its handheld might reach PS4 numbers at likely significantly higher prices. Do you think there are more enthusiast gamers than casuals or that the bulk of PS owners aren’t also casuals? Take a look at which games make up the vast majority of PS’s revenue.
I’m referring to the launch hype that causes massive spikes in systems sold. That lasts for several months but eventually wanes again within the year. GTA5 was evergreen but its spike in systems sold for PS3 and 360 only lasted a few months and it sold the rest on other platforms, particularly PC. It did not help PS3 and 360 surpass the Wii.
Of course Sony is making a handheld, the entire industry is now that it seems portables are the future, which is primarily led by the Switch. But it’s only on PS enthusiast forums where people actually think PS will immediately dethrone the brand that led the groundwork for this movement after historically losing to them hard both times they’ve tried before.
I don't think Switch 2 will reach Switch 1 numbers if they keep the same price. Nintendo consoles sell best when cheaper. DS/ Wii, Switch 1 compared to its competition.
I dont think PS6 will reach PS4 if they have higher prices. The price has to be right. But they still fair a better chance than Nintedo with higher prices.
Marketing has to be right, and games too for PS6. I think it should launch at a lower price than current PS5. But even now at its higher price, its selling decent. So it could beat PS5. But who knows in a world of wars, and viruses.
Another factor would be Nintendo’s price when PS6 is launched and there games. It will by then have Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing which will do big numbers. Nintendo will still rule Japan, but if Sony prices PS6/Handheld correctly and releases enough Japanese centric games, they could go back to PS3 numbers in japan of 13million units.
And yeah, both Playstation and even Xbox before had more hardcore fans than Nintendo that show up.
Ive bought every Nintendo console and handheld since the Nes, but where were the fans when the Wii U, N64, Gamecube came out? Playstation has never sold less than 80million for a console except Vita (which was a disaster in planning). And PS3,PS4,PS5 were all much higher prices than Nintendo’s
PS3 had 1 1 million seller
PS4 had 3 1 million sellers in Japan
PS5 never had a single 1.
Switch 1 has 35 games that sold 1m+ in Japan
Switch 2 already has 3 1 million sellers by the way, MKW has sold 3m+ already.
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It probably won't reach reach S1 numbers with these economic circumstances but it's likely going to do better than 3DS and PS3. 3DS and PS3's drops were due to having horrific launches, some of the worst in history, while S2 has literally been the exact opposite. While the former two were able to recover it off, you can never fully shake away that initial launch performance.
In these economic circumstances PS6 doing as well as PS5 is questionable and PS5 itself has been doing worse than the PS4 despite having siphoning off the remainder of much of Xbox's playerbase. It's easy to forget since we're currently in the midst of GTA hype but PS was going through decade level lows and steadily declining the past year until GTA gave it some life back. New Gen Pokemon will be doing the same thing for S2 and so will 3D Mario, new 3D Zelda, AC, and Smash.
Not just the pricing and Japan-oriented games (both of which need a very high level of optimism to believe that the PS6 handheld will meet) but Japan is also much more partial towards physical for consoles than the west and well...
You're looking at it wrong. In those generations, casuals picked PS and Xbox over Nintendo. N64, Gamecube, and even the Wii U (which was also a disaster in planning and marketing) weren't casual-friendly systems. The first two were the reason the "blue ocean" strategy was created and casuals didn't know the latter existed and it was a gimmick that didn't appeal to casuals (as well as lacking games in general including Nintendo 1st parties).
At that time, the casuals were on the Gameboys, the DS, and 3DS. PS3 lost to the Wii, PS4 did worse than the Switch, and while it's still too early to tell for lifespan, PS5's numbers launch-aligned are only half of S2's. And even then, the price discrepancy so far is much less than the currently expected price of next gen devices. Of course, they might pull a miracle to be able to get the price lower than expected but that's why I said in the beginning, prices are going to be the real make-or-break. Games are second. Power is a distant third if not fourth to additional accessibility.
Nope, Switch 2 is operating at the power level of a PS4 Pro. It has more modern features like faster read speeds and upscaling so it's easier to get games running on it vs a PS4 Pro, but in terms of hardware power the two are pretty similar. You are the retarded one here thinking it's trading blows with PS5 and Xbox Series X lol.
The thing with PC handhelds is... they're PC handhelds. So even if they have 99% of the library you could play on the PS6 handheld, it's a vastly different experience from what you'll get on a Switch 2 or PS6 handheld. And when you compare the PS6 handheld library vs the Switch 2 library it's not just the Sony first party games setting it apart, it's also the full on third party release support which Switch 2 doesn't have even if it's improved compared to the Switch 1.
Not that I think Nintendo is seriously going to be threatened in a meaningful way by it, but the appeal of the device itself is not that hard to imagine tbh. Naturally every piece of hardware launching is going to be kneecapped hard by the component price issue though.
The same will happen with Nintendo. Switch 2 is highly likely to not sell as much as Switch 1, do you see Nintendo bending over backwards to make sure it does? No. These companies are running a business. As long as the financial results keep improving they don't give a fuck about how much their fanboys can brag about console unit sales. And so far Sony is the one releasing a device that'll directly compete with Nintendo's offering, not the other way around.
Nintendo still doesn't have third party support parity, plus the PS6 handheld will be much more powerful and run all those third party games they do share substantially better.
Also, the world is bigger than Japan, it makes up less than 10% of the global games market.
At this stage no console is going to match, or let alone outperform its predecessor. PS5 will end up below PS4 (the only way it can surpass it is if they keep it on the market for much longer), PS6 will end up below PS5 and Switch 2 will end up below Switch 1.
In the end none of this shit matters though. Console unit sales are an outdated metric that maybe made sense when every generation was a hard reset, when all 3 manufacturers released a console around the same time, and when they were all quite similar in price. But in a day and age where there are big price gaps, where one manufacturer is releasing consoles on a totally separate schedule and when these consoles are just continuations of their predecessors rather than a big reset, it makes more sense to look at other metrics to gauge the success of these businesses.
And Nintendo gaining third party support parity is a global problem for Sony.
Nintendo didn't hide Wii U numbers though because they're way hungrier than Sony and they always went all in and they want to kill all console competition which is why you're wrong about everything you say. But Sony's consoles will flop and there's nothing Sony can do about it.
They're never gonna subsidize insanely like they did with PS3, they don't want to lose billions again.
I dont see what that has anything to do with what I said.
3rd party software is selling better on PS then Switch 2 atm, GTA6 wont be on Nintendo, neither will some other games
In a few years. Nintendo will never be the place to play 3rd party or be superior for it. Japan dont buy Nintendo for 3rd party
Out of those games that sold over a million. Majority are 1st party.
Playstation just has to sell a few million handheld unitd to catch up to PS3 days and it will be a success for them.
No1 is expecting PS to outsell Nintendo in Japan.
You're confusing fans with shareholders. It's a common mistake round these parts.
Nintendo already won agaisnt the PSP and buttkicked PS out of the handheld space in the Vita generation.
Without dedicated software the new PS handheld will only compete with generic PC handhelds. Its wishful thinking to put this new platform agaisnt the Switch.
Dedicated software lol
That would be super dumb.
That would be super dumb.
Thats not dedicated software, nice try.
They will just sell this as an accessory and wont try to compete, bc again, they got kicked out of this market before.
They probably mean exclusives since without exclusives how exactly are PS6/5/4 libraries different from PC handhelds whose lifespan the S2 has already quadrapled in a year?
And while PS 1st parties are great to us hardcores, they empirically don't touch Nintendo's to a general audience.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/9216...ues-beats-sony-by-3-billion-xbox-8/index.html
And PS 1st party sales have declined since then.
I also don't get this ecosystem thing you keep going on about. A handheld with the PS ecosystem... isn't that the PS portal? And if it's about being able to play offline without streaming, do you think people will buy PS6 handheld without the home console, that the PS audience that plays powerful next gen hardware will move from home consoles to handhelds? Or do you think they will buy both, which would likely total to $1.5K+? Some of you are clearly a bit too enthralled by the GTA6 launch hype. That's not going to last forever, realistically it's half a year at most.
Would be totally silly and pointless in this day and age. Lets take our studios, do the opposite of Nintendo and split them up to make PS5 games and then PS6 games. What would be the point.
A full library of PS4, PS5 and PS6 games is what its gonna be. Hopefully they can speed up the PS1,PS2 games and bring those PS3 games over too
I can understand the argument that it doesnt make sense to have dedicated software nowadays, but I stand firmly to the point that a machine that can cost $600 and offer just the same games you can already play on your PS5 is a hard sell
You will sell it to enthusiasts and to people that personally want to play on the go, other than that its a redundant purchase
You will sell it to enthusiasts and to people that personally want to play on the go, other than that its a redundant purchase
What is hard to understand? Its like Steamdeck, which shares the same Steam PC library.
PS Portal is online only, so nothing like a PS6 Handheld.
Some people will buy one or the other, PS6/ PS6 Handheld. Some fans will buy both like myself as I travel. Numbers will be part of the PS6 family. Its not gonna hurt sales, it just all depends on price and marketing, if they are gonna go past PS4 numbers again.
Its gonna share the same library as PS6, which is gonna be PS4, PS5 and PS6 games.
Its like a Steamdeck and Switch. No separate libraries, no1 is that retarded to do that in this day and age. Maybe some touch screen games will be for the handheld only and Vita library.
GTA5 sales went crazy after the first year, it went strong for years and more on the PS4 then PS3.
For years when people mention a PS Handheld, they make it seem like its some unattainable unicorn, while Nintendo and Valve have been doing it. Its gonna happen, no amount of confusion or bad talk on forums is gonna stop it lol. Sony isnt gonna ignore the Handheld market anymore, why should they when theres a good 10-30+ units they can sell for the next gen.
Its a Steamdeck but on PS platform and better hardware. They no longer have to worry about dedicated games, missing shoulder buttons, or dedicated memory, those Vita issues are gone
And Steam Deck, while a great system for its audience, has only sold 4-6 million. It’s not remotely a threat to Nintendo. People are acting like the PS6 handheld is going to sell 100M+ and beat Nintendo now that “they’re directly confronting them with their whole ecosystem which has historically not worked out for Nintendo” ignoring how Nintendo has beat “their whole ecosystem” with Wii and Switch while Sony’s has historically never done more than 52% of Nintendo’s respective system with their handhelds and there’s nothing indicating this’ll be anything different.
You at least seem to have a more realistic outlook on how much the PS6 handhelds could sell but I’m referring those that seem to think PS will now also start dominating handhelds after having previously gotten trounced so bad they threw it away.
Although I do have to question why you think Switch 2 won’t sell 100 million at its price while you think PS6 and its handheld might reach PS4 numbers at likely significantly higher prices. Do you think there are more enthusiast gamers than casuals or that the bulk of PS owners aren’t also casuals? Take a look at which games make up the vast majority of PS’s revenue.
I’m referring to the launch hype that causes massive spikes in systems sold. That lasts for several months but eventually wanes again within the year. GTA5 was evergreen but its spike in systems sold for PS3 and 360 only lasted a few months and it sold the rest on other platforms, particularly PC. It did not help PS3 and 360 surpass the Wii.
Of course Sony is making a handheld, the entire industry is now that it seems portables are the future, which is primarily led by the Switch. But it’s only on PS enthusiast forums where people actually think PS will immediately dethrone the brand that led the groundwork for this movement after historically losing to them hard both times they’ve tried before.
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A lot of PS fans for some reason believes Sony's gonna be ready to throw down with Nintendo. I doubt it. I don't think Sony has that hunger in them anymore to even really compete anymore. If their consoles sell less, they'll just say so be it.
I don't think Switch 2 will reach Switch 1 numbers if they keep the same price. Nintendo consoles sell best when cheaper. DS/ Wii, Switch 1 compared to its competition.
I dont think PS6 will reach PS4 if they have higher prices. The price has to be right. But they still fair a better chance than Nintedo with higher prices.
Marketing has to be right, and games too for PS6. I think it should launch at a lower price than current PS5. But even now at its higher price, its selling decent. So it could beat PS5. But who knows in a world of wars, and viruses.
Another factor would be Nintendo’s price when PS6 is launched and there games. It will by then have Pokemon, Mario, Animal Crossing which will do big numbers. Nintendo will still rule Japan, but if Sony prices PS6/Handheld correctly and releases enough Japanese centric games, they could go back to PS3 numbers in japan of 13million units.
And yeah, both Playstation and even Xbox before had more hardcore fans than Nintendo that show up.
Ive bought every Nintendo console and handheld since the Nes, but where were the fans when the Wii U, N64, Gamecube came out? Playstation has never sold less than 80million for a console except Vita (which was a disaster in planning). And PS3,PS4,PS5 were all much higher prices than Nintendo’s
Back then Sony didn't even have to worry about third party support on Nintendo, now it is on Nintendo so logically more people will simply not buy Playstation again. Look at the software numbers instead
PS3 had 1 1 million seller
PS4 had 3 1 million sellers in Japan
PS5 never had a single 1.
Switch 1 has 35 games that sold 1m+ in Japan
Switch 2 already has 3 1 million sellers by the way, MKW has sold 3m+ already.
Nintendo Switch - nichebarrier.com
Nintendo Switch best selling games, hardware sales, software sales in Japan.
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It probably won't reach reach S1 numbers with these economic circumstances but it's likely going to do better than 3DS and PS3. 3DS and PS3's drops were due to having horrific launches, some of the worst in history, while S2 has literally been the exact opposite. While the former two were able to recover it off, you can never fully shake away that initial launch performance.
In these economic circumstances PS6 doing as well as PS5 is questionable and PS5 itself has been doing worse than the PS4 despite having siphoning off the remainder of much of Xbox's playerbase. It's easy to forget since we're currently in the midst of GTA hype but PS was going through decade level lows and steadily declining the past year until GTA gave it some life back. New Gen Pokemon will be doing the same thing for S2 and so will 3D Mario, new 3D Zelda, AC, and Smash.
Not just the pricing and Japan-oriented games (both of which need a very high level of optimism to believe that the PS6 handheld will meet) but Japan is also much more partial towards physical for consoles than the west and well...
You're looking at it wrong. In those generations, casuals picked PS and Xbox over Nintendo. N64, Gamecube, and even the Wii U (which was also a disaster in planning and marketing) weren't casual-friendly systems. The first two were the reason the "blue ocean" strategy was created and casuals didn't know the latter existed and it was a gimmick that didn't appeal to casuals (as well as lacking games in general including Nintendo 1st parties).
At that time, the casuals were on the Gameboys, the DS, and 3DS. PS3 lost to the Wii, PS4 did worse than the Switch, and while it's still too early to tell for lifespan, PS5's numbers launch-aligned are only half of S2's. And even then, the price discrepancy so far is much less than the currently expected price of next gen devices. Of course, they might pull a miracle to be able to get the price lower than expected but that's why I said in the beginning, prices are going to be the real make-or-break. Games are second. Power is a distant third if not fourth to additional accessibility.
Nope, Switch 2 is operating at the power level of a PS4 Pro. It has more modern features like faster read speeds and upscaling so it's easier to get games running on it vs a PS4 Pro, but in terms of hardware power the two are pretty similar. You are the retarded one here thinking it's trading blows with PS5 and Xbox Series X lol.
The thing with PC handhelds is... they're PC handhelds. So even if they have 99% of the library you could play on the PS6 handheld, it's a vastly different experience from what you'll get on a Switch 2 or PS6 handheld. And when you compare the PS6 handheld library vs the Switch 2 library it's not just the Sony first party games setting it apart, it's also the full on third party release support which Switch 2 doesn't have even if it's improved compared to the Switch 1.
Not that I think Nintendo is seriously going to be threatened in a meaningful way by it, but the appeal of the device itself is not that hard to imagine tbh. Naturally every piece of hardware launching is going to be kneecapped hard by the component price issue though.
The same will happen with Nintendo. Switch 2 is highly likely to not sell as much as Switch 1, do you see Nintendo bending over backwards to make sure it does? No. These companies are running a business. As long as the financial results keep improving they don't give a fuck about how much their fanboys can brag about console unit sales. And so far Sony is the one releasing a device that'll directly compete with Nintendo's offering, not the other way around.
Back then Sony didn't even have to worry about third party support on Nintendo, now it is on Nintendo so logically more people will simply not buy Playstation again. Look at the software numbers instead
PS3 had 1 1 million seller
PS4 had 3 1 million sellers in Japan
PS5 never had a single 1.
Switch 1 has 35 games that sold 1m+ in Japan
Switch 2 already has 3 1 million sellers by the way, MKW has sold 3m+ already.
Nintendo Switch - nichebarrier.com
Nintendo Switch best selling games, hardware sales, software sales in Japan.
Nintendo still doesn't have third party support parity, plus the PS6 handheld will be much more powerful and run all those third party games they do share substantially better.
Also, the world is bigger than Japan, it makes up less than 10% of the global games market.
At this stage no console is going to match, or let alone outperform its predecessor. PS5 will end up below PS4 (the only way it can surpass it is if they keep it on the market for much longer), PS6 will end up below PS5 and Switch 2 will end up below Switch 1.
In the end none of this shit matters though. Console unit sales are an outdated metric that maybe made sense when every generation was a hard reset, when all 3 manufacturers released a console around the same time, and when they were all quite similar in price. But in a day and age where there are big price gaps, where one manufacturer is releasing consoles on a totally separate schedule and when these consoles are just continuations of their predecessors rather than a big reset, it makes more sense to look at other metrics to gauge the success of these businesses.
Absolutely, for sure, there is definitely a market for PS6 handhelds, I personally own both previous ones, and it's most likely going to be bigger than PC handhelds which I don't believe are failures either. Contrary to the fanboy tunnel visions that only see in extremes there's a massive world in between flopping and dominating. I'm just responding to the silly notion that "the full brunt of the PS ecosystem on a handheld" would be some never before seen combination of an unstoppable entity that the rest of the industry fear out of the gate.
What I've been saying as well. The notion that that the PS6 can get away with high prices or even surpass its predecessors with it while the others can't is delusionally optimistic and clearly coming from the current month's success and hype. And yeah, console unit sales are no longer the main metric to determine how a business is doing, but it does still have its place in business talks as businesses and analysts do still take note of them, it's just one factor instead of the primary one.
I didn't say it was a Japanese problem. It shows what games Japanese want are Nintendo exclusives which means Playstation will at best be secondary in Japan, and that's a huge if when their consoles will cost $1000+.
And Nintendo gaining third party support parity is a global problem for Sony.
Why did Sony hide PS3 numbers? Why did they hide Vita numbers? Why is Microsoft hiding Xbox Series numbers?
Nintendo didn't hide Wii U numbers though because they're way hungrier than Sony and they always went all in and they want to kill all console competition which is why you're wrong about everything you say. But Sony's consoles will flop and there's nothing Sony can do about it.
They're never gonna subsidize insanely like they did with PS3, they don't want to lose billions again.
Back then Sony didn't even have to worry about third party support on Nintendo, now it is on Nintendo so logically more people will simply not buy Playstation again. Look at the software numbers instead
PS3 had 1 1 million seller
PS4 had 3 1 million sellers in Japan
PS5 never had a single 1.
Switch 1 has 35 games that sold 1m+ in Japan
Switch 2 already has 3 1 million sellers by the way, MKW has sold 3m+ already.
Nintendo Switch - nichebarrier.com
Nintendo Switch best selling games, hardware sales, software sales in Japan.
I dont see what that has anything to do with what I said.
3rd party software is selling better on PS then Switch 2 atm, GTA6 wont be on Nintendo, neither will some other games
In a few years. Nintendo will never be the place to play 3rd party or be superior for it. Japan dont buy Nintendo for 3rd party
Out of those games that sold over a million. Majority are 1st party.
Playstation just has to sell a few million handheld unitd to catch up to PS3 days and it will be a success for them.
No1 is expecting PS to outsell Nintendo in Japan.
Lying as usual. Some games already outsell the PS version and it'll get way worse obviously.
What's "just" about it? And this is modern Sony we're talking about, extremely greedy and not showing any signs they're willing to invest big to win back Japan.