FT: Sony and Nintendo left to battle in console wars as Microsoft signals exit

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This seems pretty clickbait lol

Oh don't get me wrong it is, but they quote different anaylyst sources instead of the norms from wider breadth and give a more compelling argument.

If you have more of a consensus from wider range of anaylysts then it's a pretty safe bet that this will be a more likely outcome.
 

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If not a full surrender, certainly a tactical retreat.

Their hardware will never sell though IMO.
 
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Microsoft’s decision to ease off its 23-year competition with Sony and Nintendo over supremacy in games hardware has opened a path for Japan’s return as the world’s undisputed home of the console.
The prospect of a new, less internationalised era of console wars has raised hopes of happier times for the Japanese survivors, but has also caused analysts and investors to revisit the question of how much longer the whole genre of dedicated games machines will continue to exist.
Microsoft head of gaming Phil Spencer last month revealed plans to release what would previously have been exclusively Xbox games for use on rival platforms, as part of a new focus on cloud-based gaming.
While the US technology giant has said it is still working on a new generation of more powerful consoles, analysts think its long-term direction is clear.
“All signs point to the hardware becoming less and less important to Microsoft, so there is that possibility that we could go back to a point like we were in the 1990s where the viable choices of console were all Japanese,” said Serkan Toto, head of the games consultancy Kantan Games.
Giving up the console fight to concentrate on software could be taken as a huge victory for Japan. To many, the birthplace of Super Mario, Sonic the Hedgehog, Final Fantasy and Pokémon is the spiritual home of the console and has featured industry’s fiercest “golden age” 1980s and 1990s clashes of Nintendo vs Sega, and later, Nintendo vs Sony.
“It may not happen immediately because the technology of cloud gaming is clearly not ready yet, but from what Microsoft is indicating, there is a possibility that we go back to an all-Japan console industry with Sony and Nintendo each dominating their part of that market in their different, unique ways.” said David Gibson, an analyst at MST Financial.
But the return to a Japan-only industry for dedicated games hardware could more clearly define the console as a commercial cul-de-sac.
That issue, said independent games analyst Pelham Smithers, could be particularly acute for Sony, which last week announced plans to cut 900 staff from its games unit.
“It was tough enough for Sony arguing the need to investors for a PS5 — and a lot of people at the time were saying that the PS5 could be the end of the line — but Microsoft’s commitment to console gaming helped,” said Smithers.
Nintendo, meanwhile, faces an issue of timing. Its Switch machine, released in 2017 and now significantly underpowered even when compared with some mobile phones, is to be replaced with a next generation successor. But the Kyoto-based company has yet to say precisely when and what it will look like.
Analysts said Nintendo is still traumatised by the experience in 2012 when it launched a poorly-conceived successor to the global blockbuster Wii console.
Sales of the existing Switch are respectable, said Toto, but more or less everyone who wanted the console has bought one by now. The market, he said, will be waiting for Nintendo’s successor and may hold back on buying games for the Switch ahead of a new machine being released.
Line chart of Annual console hardware sales (mn units) showing Sony is dominating Microsoft and Nintendo in the console wars
Gibson said Sony’s problems are very different: its PS5 machine, now four years old, is popular but its games business is now guided by “accountants”, rather than people primed to manage a creative business.
Previous generations of the PlayStation had been launched with an expectation that the machine would initially be sold at a loss, before the price of components quickly fell, allowing the company to break even and, in time, allow price cuts for customers.
By its fifth year of release the PS4 had two price cuts totalling $100. The PS5 has had none. “With the accountants in charge, Sony is not prepared to cut prices by $100 to stimulate demand because that would cost $2bn in profits,” Gibson said.
Microsoft, which has spent huge sums on acquisitions of game studios such as the $75bn purchase of Activision, is facing similar issues with its hardware economics. Analysts said the US company may have greater motivation than Sony to become an all-platform king
“The state of the console market right now may not be an advertisement per se for Japan getting its mojo back. It feels more like these three very idiosyncratic businesses are doing well or not for idiosyncratic reasons,” said Robin Zhu, games analyst at Bernstein.
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There is a chance that Microsoft’s new direction is a “win, win, win situation”, according to Atul Goyal at Jefferies, because of the different situation each company finds itself in.
Microsoft, he said, could pump up returns by offering its games across different platforms while Nintendo and Sony would face “less intense competition” and benefit from having a wider choice of titles for customers.
But, as Zhu said, one factor that might keep Microsoft from killing off the Xbox entirely is the same thing that will keep Sony and Nintendo in the market — the fierce loyalty of gamers.
“The concern [Microsoft] will have is that you’ve already convinced your customers to buy the hardware; by telling them that Xbox games will be on every other platform, you risk upsetting your highest engagement and most dogmatic customers,” he said.
 
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No battle IMO. Very little overlap of content (in so many ways). Have both, love both!

This idea you got pick a side and dig your heels in is just wrong. It's not the rest of the industry's fault that Xbox is a crapola platform.
 

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Pretty spot on about current Sony.

It really summaries a lot of my issues with PS right now. It's all numbers and analysis led and they are completely ignorant to why people buy PlayStation and what their customers demand and expect.

If they need to lose money on getting the consoles out there, then so be it... the install base is how they will eventually make most money ans expand the MAUs etc.

It's always been the last few years where consoles make the bulk of profit. Never the first 3. They should be going balls to the wall now that Xbox is basically on the ground.
 

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It really summaries a lot of my issues with PS right now. It's all numbers and analysis led and they are completely ignorant to why people buy PlayStation and what their customers demand and expect.

If they need to lose money on getting the consoles out there, then so be it... the install base is how they will eventually make most money ans expand the MAUs etc.

It's always been the last few years where consoles make the bulk of profit. Never the first 3. They should be going balls to the wall now that Xbox is basically on the ground.
It's all about setting up PS6 to fail and then lerning all the wrong lessons from it.
 

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It's all about setting up PS6 to fail and then learning all the wrong lessons from it.

Something like that, Sony leadership has no original ideas or conviction in their existing businesses... you see that with their mobility initiative... it could have been interesting but the end product is just a very basic electric car that has no presence, attitude or appeal.

It's limp.

PlayStation used to have attitude, it used to know what the fuck it was and be unapologetic about that.

Hopefully the investors put more and more pressure on Ken Yoshida and Totoki to get the consoles sold at high numbers and they wont be able to ignore them. They are the ones that Sony listen to most now.
 

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It really summaries a lot of my issues with PS right now. It's all numbers and analysis led and they are completely ignorant to why people buy PlayStation and what their customers demand and expect.

If they need to lose money on getting the consoles out there, then so be it... the install base is how they will eventually make most money ans expand the MAUs etc.

It's always been the last few years where consoles make the bulk of profit. Never the first 3. They should be going balls to the wall now that Xbox is basically on the ground.
It's all about setting up PS6 to fail and then lerning all the wrong lessons from it.
Something like that, Sony leadership has no original ideas or conviction in their existing businesses... you see that with their mobility initiative... it could have been interesting but the end product is just a very basic electric car that has no presence, attitude or appeal.

It's limp.

PlayStation used to have attitude, it used to know what the fuck it was and be unapologetic about that.

Hopefully the investors put more and more pressure on Ken Yoshida and Totoki to get the consoles sold at high numbers and they wont be able to ignore them. They are the ones that Sony listen to most now.
It's sad that I wouldn't even be surprised if Sony actually put their games on Xbox and Nintendo....
 

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If Sony's strategy of maintaining PlayStation's status as a luxury brand pays off, they'll be in a better position than the race to cut costs/prices that previous console gens have been fixated with. It's definitely more likely than not that they'll succeed given Xbox has been blown the fuck out and all of their games will now release on PlayStation.

One thing I fundamentally disagree with in the article is that Xbox leaving hardware is a win win win situation. It's win win for Sony and Nintendo, yes, but Xbox just becomes a third party publisher like EA, Take 2, and Ubisoft. That's an even more competitive environment with none of the benefits afforded by platform holder status. You can't get by with Halo Infinite and Forza Motorsport when they have to compete head to head with Helldivers 2 and GT7, or Metroid and Mario Kart.
 

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Pretty grim graph for Xbox that it's already peaked.

Switch is still outselling xbox by a pretty big margin in its final years lmao, this is even with xbox getting a massive price cut

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Also if the whole “ran by accounts” shit is true for PS going forward then the PS6 is doa. The last time management (accounts) at Sony got involved with PS direction creators got overlooked/left out and we ended up with the PS3.
 
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