AMD’s Zen 5 processors will arrive on July 31st.

[John Elden Ring]

It’s official now, confirmed by several retailers stocking the new Ryzen 9000 CPUs or preparing for preorders and AMD themselves: the official launch date for Zen5-based desktop CPUs is July 31st, the last day of this month, fulfilling their promise.

The launch includes four SKUs: the 16-core Ryzen 9 9950X, 12-core Ryzen 9 9900X, 8-core Ryzen 7 9700X, and 6-core Ryzen 5 9600X. AMD has not yet disclosed pricing information, which is expected to be unveiled next week. This carefully planned approach may be to prevent Intel from gaining an advantage in pricing their Core Ultra 200K series, or to gather feedback from reviewers who are already testing the new series.

There are four CPUs in the new Ryzen 9000 series, which includes the beastly 16-core, 32-thread Ryzen 9 9950X flagship. Pricing still hasn’t been disclosed, but it’s currently expected to align with the Zen 4 series chips.

 

[anonpuffs]

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[anonpuffs]

AMD deep-dives Zen 5 architecture — Ryzen 9000 and AI 300 benchmarks, RDNA 3.5 GPU, XDNA 2, and more

Zen 5's 16% IPC improvement floats all boats.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD Zen 5 architecture: A ground up redesign that lays the foundation for future Ryzen CPU architectures

AMD is confident a 16% IPC uplift will see its Ryzen 9000-series ascend the CPU silicon throne.

www.pcgamer.com

The AMD Zen 5 Microarcitecure: Powering Ryzen AI 300 Series For Mobile and Ryzen 9000 for Desktop

www.anandtech.com

 

[ethomaz]

16% increase in IPC performance even with * is not bad at all.

 

[anonpuffs]

16% increase in IPC performance even with * is not bad at all.

will wait for 3rd party benchmarks but it seems decent, not mindblowing but it feels like they are making solid progress each gen. Most excited that all of this is at 65w TDP/ 170w TDP on the 16 core.

 

[Systemshock2023]

I want to see RPCS3 performance with those AVX 512 instructions. Should help a lot.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

If we ever get a Strix Point handheld, this is the gaming performance upgrade we should expect over Hawk Point:

19% is nothing to scoff at, especially considering Hawk Point itself is already a bit faster than Phoenix at that TDP.

Though it's possible that handhelds will only be seeing the Kraken chip that is better suited for handhelds and should consume a bit less than Phoenix / Hawk Point at 10-25W.

I want to see RPCS3 performance with those AVX 512 instructions. Should help a lot.

There's AVX512 on Zen4 Phoenix already, i.e. all the ROG Ally, Legion Go and chinese handhelds with the 7840U/7640U.

 

[anonpuffs]

If we ever get a Strix Point handheld, this is the gaming performance upgrade we should expect over Hawk Point:

19% is nothing to scoff at, especially considering Hawk Point itself is already a bit faster than Phoenix at that TDP.

Though it's possible that handhelds will only be seeing the Kraken chip that is better suited for handhelds and should consume a bit less than Phoenix / Hawk Point at 10-25W.




There's AVX512 on Zen4 Phoenix already, i.e. all the ROG Ally, Legion Go and chinese handhelds with the 7840U/7640U.

Imo handhelds should go down to 5-10w instead of 15w, battery life sucks at 15w

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Imo handhelds should go down to 5-10w instead of 15w, battery life sucks at 15w

Not if they have a whopping 80W.h battery in there, which is the case of the ROG Ally X and I suspect many more handheld makers will follow up.

Regardless, Kraken (4x Zen5 + 4x Zen5C, 8CU RDNA3.5) is probably the better chip for 5-10W.

 

[anonpuffs]

Not if they have a whopping 80W.h battery in there, which is the case of the ROG Ally X and I suspect many more handheld makers will follow up.

Regardless, Kraken (4x Zen5 + 4x Zen5C, 8CU RDNA3.5) is probably the better chip for 5-10W.

80wh still sucks at 15w because the 15w is chip only, you still have to power the screen, memory, storage, controller, networking, audio. Easily another 5-10w which means 3-4h battery. Awful

 

[ToTTenTranz]

80wh still sucks at 15w because the 15w is chip only, you still have to power the screen, memory, storage, controller, networking, audio. Easily another 5-10w which means 3-4h battery. Awful

The rest of the system is hardly 5W total unless you're using the speakers at max volume and the screen at max brightness.
3.5-4 hours of gameplay is far from awful.. very few modern gaming devices reach that battery life in 3D games.

4h is an entire morning or afternoon, which is a lot more than the median 30+ year-old gamer usually has to play games.
We already transitioned from time-rich and money-poor to time-poor and money-rich.

 

[anonpuffs]

The rest of the system is hardly 5W total unless you're using the speakers at max volume and the screen at max brightness.
3.5-4 hours of gameplay is far from awful.. very few modern gaming devices reach that battery life in 3D games.

4h is an entire morning or afternoon, which is a lot more than the median 30+ year-old gamer usually has to play games.
We already transitioned from time-rich and money-poor to time-poor and money-rich.

Steamdeck can draw upwards of 7w for screen+audio+networking+ssd even on the OLED models in heavy games, and that's a 720p screen. a 1080p screen like the rog will easily draw 10w.

most modern gaming devices don't have 80wh batteries either, and the ones that do are heavy. Regardless I don't like having to charge every session, if I'm below half after a 2h session it feels bad.

 

[Evilnemesis8]

To those who follow CPU/GPU stuff on PC, which generation should be the next big paradigm shift for CPUs?
By that I mean is which next set of CPUs will see a much bigger performance uplift through innovation in design.

 

[anonpuffs]

To those who follow CPU/GPU stuff on PC, which generation should be the next big paradigm shift for CPUs?
By that I mean is which next set of CPUs will see a much bigger performance uplift through innovation in design.

zen 7 is the next big redesign of amd, and arrow lake is going to be on a new intel manufacturing process and a new motherboard socket. I don't think we'll ever get vast increases in CPU performance again, the biggest we've seen so far is the AMD x3d chips which basically brute forced it by stacking a bigger L3 cache on top of the CPU die. From now on I expect there will be portions dedicated to coprocessing like the NPU (AI engines) that may or may not be useful, remains to be seen. Zen 6 should be out in 2026 or 2027, arrow lake (15th gen) will be out end of this year or beginning of next year.

 

[YeezyDude]

It sounds like it'll be good so far!

 

[ethomaz]

There's AVX512 on Zen4 Phoenix already, i.e. all the ROG Ally, Legion Go and chinese handhelds with the 7840U/7640U.

Zen4 doesn't have AVX512 data path... it uses two AVX256 data path to support AVX512 that they call "double pumping".
Zen5 has full AVX512 data path.

In real case you can have performance increase with AVX512 "double pumping" in Zen4 since the software is optimized to that but at the same time your CPU will have reduced clock speed and higher power consumption.

Zen5 now try to fix these issues with AVX512 to make it useful.

For RPCS3 it is all good news because now the CPU really can emulate Cell using AVX512 data path without big performance penalties.

 

[ethomaz]

To those who follow CPU/GPU stuff on PC, which generation should be the next big paradigm shift for CPUs?
By that I mean is which next set of CPUs will see a much bigger performance uplift through innovation in design.

Not sure if I understand but these big changes in design with x86 happened few times in the history.
x86 is more about micro improvements because it has to support legacy for over 30 years.

Maybe you can say Pentium and Pentium 3 were big changes.
Or the Core architecture.