Microsoft Phil Spencer says No to Mid Gen refresh
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They already have a mid-gen refresh.
Just wait when they release the power of Gamepass to reach 25TFs.
Just wait when they release the power of Gamepass to reach 25TFs.
Makes sense. There's no reason for a mid gen refresh. Where they should focus instead is in to refresh the quantity and quality of their 1st party releases in already existing consoles. They are apparently working on it, but apparently still not ready.
If they ever release a mid gen refresh they may do it in late 2024-early 2025, so if they are working on it there's no point on mentioning it now because it would hurt the sales of their current consoles.
If they ever release a mid gen refresh they may do it in late 2024-early 2025, so if they are working on it there's no point on mentioning it now because it would hurt the sales of their current consoles.
Puertorock made a great video about this predicament that Xbox has itself in. He was saying that casuals now dominate the Xbox model....
That Microsoft would rather sell loads of series S consoles and get as many people into the ecosystem as possible, they wouldn't even make the X if they didn't need to.
Now a new gamer to Xbox is worth the same as a person who is a hardcore Xbox fan from the very start, as long as they sub to Gamepass.
There are much more series S consoles out there than series X and they won't be stretching the gen out to a new console at a higher spec.
But it is dangerous, cause if Sony sell a load of Pro consoles, the developers might just not bother with the S and Microsoft will eventually have to bend to the devs.
That Microsoft would rather sell loads of series S consoles and get as many people into the ecosystem as possible, they wouldn't even make the X if they didn't need to.
Now a new gamer to Xbox is worth the same as a person who is a hardcore Xbox fan from the very start, as long as they sub to Gamepass.
There are much more series S consoles out there than series X and they won't be stretching the gen out to a new console at a higher spec.
But it is dangerous, cause if Sony sell a load of Pro consoles, the developers might just not bother with the S and Microsoft will eventually have to bend to the devs.
They're really in a tough spot. On the one hand they have millions of cheap/poor players who won't pay for games, would get priced out of a mid gen refresh, and on the other they have gamers who are loyal and want good games. In the end it's likely a good deal of enfranchised players will swap to PS considering larger population base (ie their friends whom they play with) and annoyance at having their games reduced in quality (BG3) to appease the rest of the fanbase.
Also leaves Game Pass on Xbox in a weird position: If you use it to play multiplayer games, it's more likely people you know have a PS5, so you'll be playing with other Game Pass fans (cheap, likely sore losers), but if you use it to play singleplayer games, most of the best singpleplayer games are on a different platform. In the end the core Xbox demographic is just people who want to get things for cheap - not the best customers!
MS could compete on the argument that Series S is a solid performance target. AAA devs are constantly saying they can't keep up with the tech curve, and visual fidelity is taking disproportionate effort compared with game design. But there's no consistency within MGS studios. The Coalition is known for pushing UE4 for all its worth. Rare games could probably run on an ipad. MGS teams should be setting the direction on their own platform.
Didn't Phil say he wanted Xbox to do 4k VR or something then completely backtrack & say they weren't interested in VR sure I saw a clip of the 2 faced twat saying something like that
What's hilarious bout all this is the reason Phil gave as to why they made the Series S in the first place. Series S was supposed to be their way back into selling more console hardware as Phil explained it. But the reality is the stupid box gave them a whole opposite effect. One that got their back in corner that they can't get out of.
What's really funny is he talks about the price as being consumer friendly when they've literally just stealth increased itWhat's hilarious bout all this is the reason Phil gave as to why they made the Series S in the first place. Series S was supposed to be their way back into selling more console hardware as Phil explained it. But the reality is the stupid box gave them a whole opposite effect. One that got their back in corner that they can't get out of.
They should just go 3rd party if the hardware is such a burden for them. If you're not gonna try to compete, why bother ?? Especially when your hardware is a boondoggle for 3rd party studios
Honestly speaking i never liked midgen console
The ps4 pro was so useless…500% more noise and heat for 10% better performance. I’m not buying a ps5 pro unless it’s SIGNIFICANTLY better and without ridiculous noise. Which I doubt is possible since it has to be below $600
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Something I can agree on with the grifter.
Obviously his motivation for opining so is different than what should be the real reason. That is, Philochio is already running two sku's and doesn't need a third, with the cost involved plus the low sales past experience he had with the Xbox One X. Sales are already declining for X/S. Adding another sku already proven to sell marginally low is an exercise in stupidity. That's Philochio's motivation.... strictly bottomline oriented.
The correct underlying principle will continue to be that the less consoles become like PCs, the better for long term console differentiation and for a prolonged dominance of the premium games market by consoles. A PS5 Pro is no different than upgrading your rig from a 3080 to a 4090 (for illustration purposes). The more consoles become like PCs, the more attractive the real thing, aka PCs, become. Luckily for console makers like Sony and their short-sighted strategies and solutions to old problems;.... Nvidia comes to the rescue. If there is a favorite past time for Nvidia is milking the PC enthusiast aka the Port Begging Master Race crowd to the last drop of hard worked sweat, blood and tears by jacking up card prices. And Nvidia sets the standard in pricing that AMD prices against, and the mirror relationship exist between Intel and AMD on the CPU side.
Despite the advances and successes Microsoft and Valve have achieved in shifting the console market into a disadvantageous position vis a vis Windows PCs since the X360, Nvidia sabotages on the hardware side which in turn makes the value proposition of consoles maintain the status quo. Greed has a way of getting in the way...always... despite the best machinations of Microsoft and Valve. However, on the net, ground has been ceded to PC from the highs of the PS2 era, despite the potential for even worse damage had Nvidia been interested in sinking Sony and Nintendo and not religiously obsessed in batting for their margins and bottomline......which is also why the cloud is so attractive to MS. In an "all cloud" future, the dominant player controls both the hardware, software and distribution model.... a third leg like Nvidia loses power to dictate entry cost, and thus, the sabotage of well thought out monopolistic plans is lessened significantly and to a trivial degree.
Obviously his motivation for opining so is different than what should be the real reason. That is, Philochio is already running two sku's and doesn't need a third, with the cost involved plus the low sales past experience he had with the Xbox One X. Sales are already declining for X/S. Adding another sku already proven to sell marginally low is an exercise in stupidity. That's Philochio's motivation.... strictly bottomline oriented.
The correct underlying principle will continue to be that the less consoles become like PCs, the better for long term console differentiation and for a prolonged dominance of the premium games market by consoles. A PS5 Pro is no different than upgrading your rig from a 3080 to a 4090 (for illustration purposes). The more consoles become like PCs, the more attractive the real thing, aka PCs, become. Luckily for console makers like Sony and their short-sighted strategies and solutions to old problems;.... Nvidia comes to the rescue. If there is a favorite past time for Nvidia is milking the PC enthusiast aka the Port Begging Master Race crowd to the last drop of hard worked sweat, blood and tears by jacking up card prices. And Nvidia sets the standard in pricing that AMD prices against, and the mirror relationship exist between Intel and AMD on the CPU side.
Despite the advances and successes Microsoft and Valve have achieved in shifting the console market into a disadvantageous position vis a vis Windows PCs since the X360, Nvidia sabotages on the hardware side which in turn makes the value proposition of consoles maintain the status quo. Greed has a way of getting in the way...always... despite the best machinations of Microsoft and Valve. However, on the net, ground has been ceded to PC from the highs of the PS2 era, despite the potential for even worse damage had Nvidia been interested in sinking Sony and Nintendo and not religiously obsessed in batting for their margins and bottomline......which is also why the cloud is so attractive to MS. In an "all cloud" future, the dominant player controls both the hardware, software and distribution model.... a third leg like Nvidia loses power to dictate entry cost, and thus, the sabotage of well thought out monopolistic plans is lessened significantly and to a trivial degree.
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