Switch 2 will "be hybrid again" launch at $400. 8 inch LCD. use Nvidia chip & be BC. Nikkei says releases March 2025.Dev kit update.|UP| 5/2/24

[historia]

DLSS requires a good CPU and better matrix acceleration part inside CUDA cores to handle ML.

The problem is that Nintendo handheld has to abide by the 9W TDP. If they enable little cores to handle DLSS, then they will have to decrease GPU usage.

Another problem is to improve efficiency, they have to cut uneccessary part from GPU to achieve smaller die size. I bet that matrix accelaration would be on the chopping block first.

 

[quest4441]

The only reason Nintendo gets my money is because of xenoblade chronicles and Metroid. Please someone save those IP's from there. Xenoblade and Metroid deserve Horizon like graphics quality, such special IP's.

 

[Gamernyc78]

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[Gamernyc78]

Rumor | Nintendo Switch 2 May Use Samsung 5th Generation V-NAND With up to 1.4 GB/S Read Speed​

Nintendo Switch 2 May Use Samsung 5th Generation V-NAND With up to 1.4 GB/S Read Speed

The Nintendo Switch 2 may utilize Samsung's 5th generation V-NAND which will be a big step up over the original Switch

wccftech.com

The Nintendo Switch 2 may use Samsung 5th generation V-NAND, which would be a huge step up from its predecessor, judging from some recent findings.

As reported by Doctre81 in a new video shared on YouTube, the LinkedIn page of a former Samsung Electronics Device Solution Division Senior Director who's been at the company until 2019 lists among key qualifications and responsibilities having led the development of a NAND Flash Controller device for an unspecified Nintendo game card. Among the key achievements, the former Samsung employee also lists the development of Secure eMMC Card powered by Samsung Memory's 5th generation V-NAND Flash, which seems to line up not only with the NAND Flash Controller device for the unspecified Nintendo game card but also with some other information, such as innovating security for unspecified proprietary hardware and designing a new PUF IP (Physical Unclonable Function).
The Nintendo Switch 2 requiring faster read speeds than its predecessor isn't exactly surprising, but Nintendo using Samsung 5th Generation V-NAND is still great news, even though it is, by today's standards, somewhat dated tech, as Samsung is working on 9th and 10th generations V-NAND, with the latter planned to be released in 2025. Still, the up to 1.4 GB/s speeds featured by the 5th generation should be more than enough for the new console, and a major step up from its predecessor.

Very little is known about the Nintendo Switch 2, other than the fact that it will be powered once again by NVIDIA technology. The T239 chip will be a massive step up over the Tegra X1 chip powering the current Nintendo system, as it is said to support features such as NVIDIA DLSS upscaling and Ray Reconstruction that is will likely make it the best ray tracing capable gaming system on the market.

Source: https://wccftech.com/nintendo-switch-2-samsung-v-nand/

 

[Box]

Day 1 buy if True, Nintendo is going to dominate

 

[Entropi]

The article does say it's a dated technology, so it has credibility. Good news, though.

 

[Shmunter]

Ripe for emulation?

 

[PlacidusaX]

I'm not sure the Switch 2 is going to be a success. No one should be, to be honest.

The Nintendo 64 was fairly successful with 32 million consoles sold but then the Gamecube sold only 20 million.

Then people thought Nintendo had won their blue ocean market with the Wii with over 100 million consoles sold, just to be followed by the Wii U with 13 million sales.

The Switch is the best selling console ever with 140 million sales and now everyone is somehow assuming the Switch 2 is going to have a similar success... but:
- Nintendo isn't going to be alone in the handheld console market anymore, just like the Wii U wasn't alone in the waggle controllers anymore.
- Nintendo this time is using even older and weaker hardware for its launch date than they did with the Switch 1, like they did with the Wii U.



It's right after a major success that Nintendo tends to get way too greedy and relaxed, and it's honestly pointing that way with the Switch 2. They're basically going to launch in 2025 the same hardware they were going to use for a mid-gen upgrade back in 2021.
Besides the Steam Deck and windows handhelds (with even Qualcomm entering the scene), it looks like Sony isn't going to be leaving Nintendo alone in the handheld market either.

N64 bombed in comparison to PS so it was far from fairly successful.

GC sold about 22 million not 20.

PS2 which sold close to 160 million is the top selling CONSOLE. Switch sold less and isn't a console.

Even though I am leary about them doing the same stupid hybrid shit twice... they don't have any noteworthy contenders in this arena.
So I can see them doing worse than before but more than healthy.

Oh and Fffffffffuuuuuccccckkkk at Nintendo choosing another portable instead of a dedicated console.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

N64 bombed in comparison to PS so it was far from fairly successful.

N64 may've sold less units but Nintendo's 1P obliterated Sony's 1P sales (cumulative output) that gen in software. In fact IIRC most of the games that did 8+ million that gen were N64 titles and most of those were Nintendo's titles.

Also FWIW, in America there were a few stretches where N64 outsold the PS1, not just at launch either. The two were actually quite close in the US & European markets; it's in Japan and other Asian territories where PS1 left N64 in the dust.

GC sold about 22 million not 20.

Yeah, and it did sell less than OG Xbox by ~ 3 million. Even so, again, Nintendo's 1P titles did extremely well in terms of attach rate, more than any other publisher that generation.

PS2 which sold close to 160 million is the top selling CONSOLE. Switch sold less and isn't a console.

TBF, PS2 was on sale until like 2009 (maybe even a bit later than that), and sold ~ 50 million of its units AFTER the PS3 came out. In fact, I'd reckon part of its great sales post-PS3 were due to the bad initial launch of PS3 itself. PS2 + PSP were just a better combo PS-wise from like 2005 - 2008 or so, not just in terms of price but also (obviously) software.

 

[PlacidusaX]

N64 may've sold less units but Nintendo's 1P obliterated Sony's 1P sales (cumulative output) that gen in software. In fact IIRC most of the games that did 8+ million that gen were N64 titles and most of those were Nintendo's titles.

Also FWIW, in America there were a few stretches where N64 outsold the PS1, not just at launch either. The two were actually quite close in the US & European markets; it's in Japan and other Asian territories where PS1 left N64 in the dust.



Yeah, and it did sell less than OG Xbox by ~ 3 million. Even so, again, Nintendo's 1P titles did extremely well in terms of attach rate, more than any other publisher that generation.



TBF, PS2 was on sale until like 2009 (maybe even a bit later than that), and sold ~ 50 million of its units AFTER the PS3 came out. In fact, I'd reckon part of its great sales post-PS3 were due to the bad initial launch of PS3 itself. PS2 + PSP were just a better combo PS-wise from like 2005 - 2008 or so, not just in terms of price but also (obviously) software.

1.Who's talking IP's?

2.PS1 sold four times the n64 get out of here with this.

3.Again nobody mentioned IP's nor Xbox.

4.I don't care how you wanna spin it PS2 is the top selling CONSOLE in gamings history.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

As reported by Doctre81 in a new video shared on YouTube, the LinkedIn page of a former Samsung Electronics Device Solution Division Senior Director who's been at the company until 2019 lists among key qualifications and responsibilities having led the development of a NAND Flash Controller device for an unspecified Nintendo game card. Among the key achievements, the former Samsung employee also lists the development of Secure eMMC Card powered by Samsung Memory's 5th generation V-NAND Flash, which seems to line up not only with the NAND Flash Controller device for the unspecified Nintendo game card but also with some other information, such as innovating security for unspecified proprietary hardware and designing a new PUF IP (Physical Unclonable Function).
The Nintendo Switch 2 requiring faster read speeds than its predecessor isn't exactly surprising, but Nintendo using Samsung 5th Generation V-NAND is still great news, even though it is, by today's standards, somewhat dated tech, as Samsung is working on 9th and 10th generations V-NAND, with the latter planned to be released in 2025. Still, the up to 1.4 GB/s speeds featured by the 5th generation should be more than enough for the new console, and a major step up from its predecessor.

I read the linkedin entries in that video and it looks like it's a guy who worked on a memory controller for a Nintendo console, and worked on a Samsung gen V NAND Flash. It isn't implicit that they're both the same solution.

Getting 1.4GB/s on the internal storage and cartridges and letting devs use that kind of I/O speeds would mean that storage wouldn't be expandable through regular SD cards. I'm not sure Nintendo is ready to break that feature.

They're used to selling cheap consoles with huge margins, but not being able to quickly and cheaply expand the storage of the Switch 2 with SD cards would put pressure on Nintendo to release a console with a large 512-1TB internal storage which doesn't come cheap (in Nintendo's standards).

The T239 chip will be a massive step up over the Tegra X1 chip powering the current Nintendo system, as it is said to support features such as NVIDIA DLSS upscaling and Ray Reconstruction that is will likely make it the best ray tracing capable gaming system on the market.

The RX6700 equivalent on the PS5 is faster at raytracing than the 100W RTX 3050, but Wccftech thinks Nintendo's 5-10W SoC using the exact same GPU architecture and fab process is going to be better at ray tracing than a PS5.

Their level of ignorance-induced hopium and hypium is reaching critical mass.

 

[Rayman]

Nintendo will have to do something to ensure that the successor to the Nintendo Switch isn't a failure because every successor that Nintendo has released has been a failure, i.e. sold less than its predecessor

 

[Yuniac]

There are quite a few Nintendo games I want to play (the last time I played Mario was way back in the day), good thing the switch 2 is around the corner

 

[Gamernyc78]

Nintendo will have to do something to ensure that the successor to the Nintendo Switch isn't a failure because every successor that Nintendo has released has been a failure, i.e. sold less than its predecessor

Switch 2 wont have tht problem no matter what even if its just a stronger Switch.

 

[RE4-Station]

N64 may've sold less units but Nintendo's 1P obliterated Sony's 1P sales (cumulative output) that gen in software. In fact IIRC most of the games that did 8+ million that gen were N64 titles and most of those were Nintendo's titles.

Also FWIW, in America there were a few stretches where N64 outsold the PS1, not just at launch either. The two were actually quite close in the US & European markets; it's in Japan and other Asian territories where PS1 left N64 in the dust.



Yeah, and it did sell less than OG Xbox by ~ 3 million. Even so, again, Nintendo's 1P titles did extremely well in terms of attach rate, more than any other publisher that generation.



TBF, PS2 was on sale until like 2009 (maybe even a bit later than that), and sold ~ 50 million of its units AFTER the PS3 came out. In fact, I'd reckon part of its great sales post-PS3 were due to the bad initial launch of PS3 itself. PS2 + PSP were just a better combo PS-wise from like 2005 - 2008 or so, not just in terms of price but also (obviously) software.

The only year the N64 might of outsold the PS1 in the US was in 1997, but starting in 98 the PS1 dominated the N64 and it wasnt even close in Europe as well. Also the best selling game on PS1 is Gran turismo at 10.85 million and the best selling N64 title was Super Mario 64 which was at 11.62 million which is less than a million more than GT. Also only 3 N64 games sold over 8 million while 6 PS1 games sold over 8 million

 

[JAHGamer]

Nintendo should cut the Switch 2 life short like they did the Wii U and create a powerful console to rival the PS5 Pro/PS6. They would finally beat Sony in the "high end" console space, since Sony is hellbent on killing themselves.

 

[Infinity Gems]

Jesus, I love how PS1 was ALWAYS pushed as a 3rd party console and had over 7,900 games released across ALL regions. Then someone comes in and says “Well n64 outsold 1st party Sony games!!!”. Yeah, N64 had 388 games released IN ALL. No wonder Nintendo 1st party carried that console the entire life of that generation. Looking at lifetime sales of software at 962m vs 224m as well. Wow, Nintendo sold more 1st party than Sony, Gamer spent almost 5X more in software on PlayStation.

If PS had less variety I wonder if their 1st party sales would have been higher whodathunk

 

[JAHGamer]

Jesus, I love how PS1 was ALWAYS pushed as a 3rd party console and had over 7,900 games released across ALL regions. Then someone comes in and says “Well n64 outsold 1st party Sony games!!!”. Yeah, N64 had 388 games released IN ALL. No wonder Nintendo 1st party carried that console the entire life of that generation. Looking at lifetime sales of software at 962m vs 224m as well. Wow, Nintendo sold more 1st party than Sony, Gamer spent almost 5X more in software on PlayStation.

If PS had less variety I wonder if their 1st party sales would have been higher whodathunk

Correct, and rare miss from @thicc_girls_are_teh_best . The same thing still applies even today, Nintendo and Xbox fanboys always like to brag that Nintendo 1st party outsells PlayStation 1st party. That's significantly easier to do when you don't have to compete with the likes of Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate, Street Fighter, CoD, Diablo 4, Resident Evil, GTA, Red Dead, Cyberpunk, etc, etc....

 

[Box]

Nintendo should cut the Switch 2 life short like they did the Wii U and create a powerful console to rival the PS5 Pro/PS6. They would finally beat Sony in the "high end" console space, since Sony is hellbent on killing themselves.

At this rate we will have Sony games on the Switch 2

 

[Rayman]

Correct, and rare miss from @thicc_girls_are_teh_best . The same thing still applies even today, Nintendo and Xbox fanboys always like to brag that Nintendo 1st party outsells PlayStation 1st party. That's significantly easier to do when you don't have to compete with the likes of Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate, Street Fighter, CoD, Diablo 4, Resident Evil, GTA, Red Dead, Cyberpunk, etc, etc....

Nintendo 1st party games have always been better than PlayStation's, eg The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64) has a 99 on Metacritic, and no PlayStation first-party game has a 99 on Metacritic. Sony would never consider porting its games to PC if its video games sold as well as Nintendo's games.

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time

As a young boy, Link is tricked by Ganondorf, the King of the Gerudo Thieves. The evil human uses Link to gain access to the Sacred Realm, where he places his tainted hands on Triforce and transforms the beautiful Hyrulean landscape into a barren wasteland. Link is determined to fix the problems...

www.metacritic.com