‘The Last of Us’ Season 2 Will Have ‘A Lot More Infected,’ Creators Address Complaints About Lack of Action
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Good! Part of the problem with not having the infected be a constant threat throughout the show's runtime is that it takes a bit of impact out of the choice that Joel has to make. You see them trudge through pretty much the entirety of America, and only meet infected a few times - so why is the cure so important? In the game, you literally know WHY it's such a huge deal that Joel (potentially) fucked over the rest of humanity to save his surrogate daughter. In the game, that constant menace of not knowing if the next corner is going to have some runners or a bloater or a group of clickers...and then he goes and chooses to keep her alive instead? Now that's a huge moral dilemma. In the show, it feels like humanity is just kinda recovering slowly and if they're careful, everything will be ok, that moral dilemma is absent. NO.
I felt asleep at the mall episode.
the episode in which Joel is penetrated lacked real tension and it was vey lame.
the episode in which Joel is penetrated lacked real tension and it was vey lame.
Yes, I was looking at the beginning of the last episode yesterday. Joel and Ellie don't feel like they are too worried about the infected, not enough for there to be any kind of tension because of them.
This is in part because we have not seen a tense encounter with them since a couple of episodes ago (the swarm that comes out of the ground) , and in many episodes they don't even make their presence felt.
Well in the game the infected were just a side events and you fight way more humans than infected.
But I understand the criticism.
BTW I don’t think Joel ever cared about the infected in the game… same for Ellie… in the show they give more focus on infected and how they did start while in the game infected were there just as a side plot… the main plot could works with anything including without infected.
Infected could have been more explored in the game even so it should not affect the experience and plot of it.
But I understand the criticism.
BTW I don’t think Joel ever cared about the infected in the game… same for Ellie… in the show they give more focus on infected and how they did start while in the game infected were there just as a side plot… the main plot could works with anything including without infected.
Infected could have been more explored in the game even so it should not affect the experience and plot of it.
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Yeah I saw some people on twitter who never played the games, thinking the infected aren’t a big threat and the biggest threat is humans, most are thinking Joel did the right choice.
Joel did his own right choice.
In the Joel skin I should do the same... sorry that is the reality... in no way you will sacrifice your child for whatever small chance of cure... it is the right choice not to allow it.
You don't kill a human to do experiments in his body to have a small chance to find a hint to a cure for something else.
Take a bit of her blood or a small cut from her meat like a biopse to do experiments is acceptable.
Kill? It will never be... there is a clear line of what is right or wrong and Joel was right even if for selfish reasons.
Like I said I believe you guys are remembering The Last of Us not accuratelly... the humans were the biggest threat in the game not infected... 90% of the game is surviving against humans.
Infected could be anything else... now the humans interectations are what drivers TLOU... infected are just a side excuse.
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Nah both Marlene and Joel were wrong, they should had asked Ellie. She was the only one who can make a choice.
Everyone is being selfish. Marlene for presenting a possible cure and make the fireflies a heroic group, Joel because he feels alone and broken.
You can tell by episode 7 that Ellie would gladly do it by way less selfish reasons than Marlene and Joel.
The question isn’t about if there is a cure or not, it is about hope and how everyone is losing their humanity.
She was a kid.
I don't know how is the law in US but here in Brasil the parents should make the choice not the kid (unless the kid emancipated).
Like I said I should take the same choice because it is the right one for anybody that is a father (imo should be for these that are not a father too).
You say hope and losing their humanity when killing Ellie is exactly that... losing hope in humanity.
Humanity that kills a kid (well any human) for selfish reasons is not humanity at all.
While being selfish Joel did the right thing to survival of his (step) child... if somebody tries to kill my kid in my front I will kill him no matter what (or at least die trying)... if you are a father and lacks that then you already lose your humanity imo.
Curisous I always put myself in joke skin and I always thought he did the right when I played in 2013.
I confirmed my thoughts in 2019 when my first child born... it just reinforced is magnitudes way that Joel was right.
Joel is selfish, evil, killker, agressive, brutal, etc... and I should become that in his place without thinking twice... I should deal with criticism, law, jail, blame, society, etc after with my concience clean because I did the right thing.
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First, to put in context there’s no law in a post apocalyptic world. Second, it is cinema/art so even if the story is very clear, people will have different interpretations and it’s ok. If you can relate to a character it means the story was good.
is it too much pressure to put a big decision on a kid? Absolutely
Would they find a cure? We don’t know
Does the people on that world deserve to be saved?
The ending just raises questions that are more prone to personal interpretations.
Agreed. And it's pretty much implied that Ellie would have sacrificed herself. Knowing Joel from the games, he would have accepted that because it was her decision. He goes on a rampage because he finally found someone worth fighting for, a daughter so to speak, and she was taken away again. His reaction, while brutal, is understandable.
Yes, but the game is not setup by the events of a civil war (however the end situation is similar).
I think their presence and how dangerous they are should be a constant thing you are made to feel.
Also, doesn't Joel or another character say at some point that he prefers to fight humans because they are more predictable?
I know people rationalize Joel's decision and in his POV he is absolutely right. But overall he is wrong and he'll always be wrong. His choices and actions are completely understandable and relatable, yes, it doesn't mean he wasn't wrong and that he isn't an asshole for doing what he did.
He had no right on doing what he did, going in a killing spree and robbing Ellie of her choice. Had he not done anything, part II wouldn't have happened.
Every single death in Part II is consequence of Joel's egotistical decision. This is a fact.
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Lmao. This was a conscious decision all throughout. They had internal critical feedback/peer review team for sure after each episode - they all do....and they would have told them that by episode 6 there was something wrong in leaving so many infected sections out of the story and how it was affecting the overall package, story flow, pace, character building backstory etc.... Pretty sure they prioritized other variables overriding the need for correction to make actual good TV.
So they knew, they didn't need any user/public feedback or backlash..... more like, can I get away with it without the audience noticing or bitching? Most are sheep after all - self admitted by trick or treatsters.
They decided to mail it mainly to fit in the budget and the episode cap, and make room for their little political indulgences and political statements to appease a culturally/politically motivated crowd - for (fake praise) or against (social drama and engagement - look at me!).
Fuck em. Sounds like Philly boy, since we talk gaming here.... "we were light on games this year, we promise to be better". TLOU Part 1 was the easiest to adapt. Part 2 is a big mess that will need even more patience and time. Budgets and episode caps don't fit well into those things, and Pascal is a goner.... unless they make the decision to extend his stay beyond the first 2 episodes for star power carry through.... which should tell you all you need to know about confidence.
So they knew, they didn't need any user/public feedback or backlash..... more like, can I get away with it without the audience noticing or bitching? Most are sheep after all - self admitted by trick or treatsters.
They decided to mail it mainly to fit in the budget and the episode cap, and make room for their little political indulgences and political statements to appease a culturally/politically motivated crowd - for (fake praise) or against (social drama and engagement - look at me!).
Fuck em. Sounds like Philly boy, since we talk gaming here.... "we were light on games this year, we promise to be better". TLOU Part 1 was the easiest to adapt. Part 2 is a big mess that will need even more patience and time. Budgets and episode caps don't fit well into those things, and Pascal is a goner.... unless they make the decision to extend his stay beyond the first 2 episodes for star power carry through.... which should tell you all you need to know about confidence.
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I can't even see how part 2 can be made to fit one season.
This whole season has 1 time where the infected are effective, this is the clicker in the second episode I believe (and the swarm a bit later). The rest are useless (one for Bill's trap? And the swarm has slapstick humor qualities to it).
They can find excuses about wanting to have the focus on the characters journey, but having at least some tension because of the constant infected presence would have done a great service to the show.
Also, relying entirely on old hospital medical equipment and medicine makes no sense. People would be going back to medicinal plants concoctions to try their best at curing themselves. At least in part.
