PlayStation is in serious trouble if they don’t reverse course

Neversummer · 12 Apr 2024

Gods&Monsters said:
A lot of great points.

Sony ARE following the Xbox strategy, the only difference is a couple of months for their SP titles. Soon the library will have parity with PC besides 1 or 2 titles.

A new customer could just get a PC if they don't care about that particular game that is not ported yet.

The PRO is also a waste because all the games will be on PC with scalable graphics anyway so you lose a selling point.

Sony had a winning strategy but they threw it all away to chase new customers that don't exist. It's like Phil and his billions of gamers

Yuh the PS5 Pro is pretty pointless there’s already something called the “PS5 Pro” it’s called PC.

With previous generation PS was a defacto platform/storefront if you wanted to play there games you had to bend the knee & buy the console & interact w the store. You no longer have to do that + I wouldn’t be surprised if PS shorten the PC port time from 1-2 years to 6 month to 1 year.

I’ve seen a lot of people say fear mongering & PS is doing just fine ignoring Nintendo is bout to not only have permanent exclusive & release more exclusive then PS by a massive amount those ip are more potent then PS owns ip & Nintendo will get a massive if not all 3rd party day 1 on its console where Nintendo never compete w PlayStation as a complete direct competitor. In 2023 Nintnedo release 9 first party games under there ip.

Gods&Monsters said:
A lot of great points.

Sony ARE following the Xbox strategy, the only difference is a couple of months for their SP titles. Soon the library will have parity with PC besides 1 or 2 titles.

A new customer could just get a PC if they don't care about that particular game that is not ported yet.

The PRO is also a waste because all the games will be on PC with scalable graphics anyway so you lose a selling point.

Sony had a winning strategy but they threw it all away to chase new customers that don't exist. It's like Phil and his billions of gamers

People keep ignoring Nintendo as there not direct competitor I’d argue there more cutthroat then any other competitor. Nintendo is about to release a hybrid handheld console that will play most if not all 3rd party if it’s power is anywhere around PS4 playing easily PS3 PS4 & PS5 games cutting out more exclusive games that would be defacto exclusive on PS before.

Exclusive games that PS would get by default will vanish as 3rd party publisher won’t be able to neglect or even take a Sony deal ignoring Nintendo massive & bigger install base where Nintendo solely prioritizes & makes there platform & storefront defacto.

In 2022 Nintendo release like 7-10 new first party Nintendo games while PlayStation released 2-3

In 2023 Nintendo release 9 new first party Nintendo games while PlayStation released 1

I’m not even taking account that Nintendo games are permanent exclusive where PS ports them & diminishes the platform. I love PS but PS fans are starting to look like Xbox fans when MS started to port Xbox games to PC & we see where Xbox is now.

Neversummer · 12 Apr 2024

DeadPGN said:
Cost of owning a capable PC that will last years VS a $500 capable machine that’s built to run 1st party games and is backward compatible? Whats that, like $3k vs $500?

3K for a capable PC. I went to bestbuy yesterday & saw a 4070 prebuilt for $1300. In the long run you’d save more money buying a $1300 PC then a console that no longer has exclusive games & are just timed + dealing w $80 online subscription & missing the massive PC sales on games that are generally better then PS sales

Nhomnhom · 12 Apr 2024

Neversummer said:
Giving how the gaming industry is heading more mobile w traditional console going away & hybrid handhelds taking the place of console where does PlayStation stands against its competitor imo there position in a awkward & dangerous spot within gaming & hardware.

Today ex 3rd party relationship joined Nintendo prior to the Switch 2 release.

With Nintendo doubling down on it’s hardware hybrid handheld console it seems like Nintendo is head for a major cadence the first 3 years w fans speculating a new smash or smash dlc, a new Pokémon already announced for 2025, a new 3D Mario speculated & a new Mario Kart 3/4 out of these options are very likely to release the first 1-2 years w other games like a new Metroid to be rumored to be release in its first year. A new Animal crossing & Splatoon would also not be shocking to be release its first 1-3 years of its life cycle.

Where does this put PlayStation. PC ports already converting PS gamers to migrate to other platforms as PS no longer has permanent exclusive to compete & strengthens its platform & storefront. And Sony reporting down year over year just after 4 years of PS5 being in the market (you can argue the first 2 years didn’t allow PlayStation to truly sell PS5 which the down year is shocking but can explain the lack of first party exclusive from first party PS studios having 1 or no major games in 2023 & 2024 making Sony miss 2023 targets of 25 million PS5 sold which would break all time record for PlayStation.

I fully expect Nintendo with its crazy lineup to easily break 25 million once again showing Sony wrong that the old models for profits proves to be the reliable correct strategy to follow. (I think Nintendo can sell 25 million consoles multiple times in its first 1-2 years maybe even 3 years if they’re line up crazy.

Nintendo Switch 2 is rumored to be in the same power as the PS4 which will allow Nintendo to capitalize on 3rd party that never release on Nintendo console & what where once exclusive to PS previous, will see much aggressive competition from Nintendo with devs now releasing most if not all 3rd party games on Nintendo & PS.

And depending on 3rd party relationship. We could see a Nintendo that has exclusive Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy (if Nintendo is aggressive which I do see happening) skipping PS which would be crazy all while PS continues to lower there wall garden & further allow there platform & storefront to diminish & become obsolete & relevant long term.

Sony is putting themselves in the same position as Xbox. I could see a future where PS is all in PC ignoring all negative effects slowly boiling themselves like a frog where devs focus on PC & Nintendo & if Steam wanted to replace PS they would push Steamdeck as the hybrid console that can play PC, Xbox & PS games all in one platform. Steam also making new games would further push there already dominate & almost defacto platform & storefront in gaming.

It will be interesting to see how PlayStation navigate while not having exclusive to make its platform & storefront a defacto platform. Even if Sony announce a PS6 or if the PS6 is a hybrid handheld PS no longer has permanent exclusive all of there first party games are time exclusive & there will be a Steamdeck that can play those games once the get ported while also having the benefit of PC & having cheaper prices from sales, no pay online subscription plus Steam has its Valve permanent exclusive & exclusive PC games that don’t go to PS.

Also if Xbox somehow builds a open PC hybrid handheld that allows you to play Xbox, PS & PC games in 1 platform MS would ironically be more invested in hardware then PS themselves as a PS console would only have PS games missing Xbox games be it Xbox games get ported 1 year later & PC games.

Imo Sony is dumb for following Xbox disastrously failed strategy. Sony made there slow death bed & MS is probably laughing Sony decided to drop there wall garden no longer allowing PS to fully kill off Xbox. Unless Sony changes plan I doubt I continue investing on the PS platform & storefront that has to many holes & cautious signs for me to fully invest in the long run. I’m already in the procces of fully migrating to PC & Nintendo all I’m waiting for is if PS next leader continues this path that has diminished, harm & out risk of the PS brand identity & if the Switch 2 will be at the power of a PS4 which can play beautiful games like Uncharted 4, TLOU2, GOT, GOW if it does it will be an easy decision where to invest my money in the long run on a safe platform since I don’t ever see Steam or Nintendo ever dropping there wall gardens & seeking other methods such as mobile, live service, park, cross media, toys & other methods for increase profits & expansion that won’t harm, diminish its identity or put them at risk of Nintendo ability to be highly competitive.

Third party support is the last piece of the puzzle for Nintendo total domination of consoles. They already completely shut out Sony from the portable market and they are about to aggressively eat more and more into Sony market share.

Sony is now completely out of position because of PC ports, complacency and lack of a native portable device.

Neversummer said:
3K for a capable PC. I went to bestbuy yesterday & saw a 4070 prebuilt for $1300. In the long run you’d save more money buying a $1300 PC then a console that no longer has exclusive games & are just timed + dealing w $80 online subscription & missing the massive PC sales on games that are generally better then PS sales

The average PC player will also save money by pirating every PlayStation single player game day one.

Neversummer · 12 Apr 2024

Gods&Monsters said:
So? PC and laptops are getting sold to play Sony games. It's not just about the money. There's a wide range of prices. I don't think only rich people are playing Helldivers or Palworld

I was mostly talking about using graphics as a selling point for the Pro when all the comparisons will compare it with the PC version instead of the regular PS5. Barely any difference or parity.

I agree I would buy the PS5 Pro if PS actually had permanent exclusive + if they increased there abysmal first party PS studios output.

The whole point of the Pro was to decrease the PC migration of console users now PS is porting all of there singleplayer games to PC. I also agree people won’t compare PS5 Pro to PS5 & instead compare PS5 Pro to PC which PS5 Pro will always loose

voke · 12 Apr 2024

doubt it.

voke · 12 Apr 2024

gokuss4 said:
This site is becoming a parody like xbox era
I can't tell if some of the posts here are joke or serious
The guy left sony in early 2018 or 2017 I don't remember
Good for him he's allowed to work anywhere he wants
Also some members here are always in stress and Constant fear I mean ps5 is doing great and the third-party support is great too
I feel some people here didn't witness sony in ps3 era I remember these dark days with no indie support terrible third-party support and everyone hated sony first party games and let's not forget the studios that sony closed like studio liverpool and the terrible marketing for sony first party games sony at that time was very close to leave the console market with the billions they lost at that time I remember the rumors about Apple entering the console market and we had articles every day about ps3 getting dreamcast treatment
Those were the dark days indeed
These days sony is doing great ps5 is their most successful console and people in the real world actually love the console I don't care about the manufactured hatred on twitter aka the land of fake bots accounts according to the owner elon musk and reddit which is known now most users left the site due to the heavy censorship and now reddit is full of fake ai accounts
And let's not forget sony biggest rival are going third-party and yes I don't believe these fake rumors that Ms will release new console soon
Anyway sorry for my long rant But some the posts here are stupid lol

exactly. we dont need to be as insecure as the bots please.

Neversummer · 12 Apr 2024

J_Paganel said:
X360 owners also switched to XONE by inertia, but this momentum quickly ended when XBOX began to lose ground due to the launch of GamePass and PC releases.

The Series generation demonstrates even worse dynamics, and this is despite very loud and expensive marketing, and the factor of PS5 shortage at the start of the generation (XSX was much easier to buy, with a short waiting period, and XSS was freely available on the shelves). And the presence of the purchased library of X360 and XONE owners did not save the situation, perhaps it only slowed the fall a little.

So if Sony doesn't return to its successful and time-tested policy, PS will suffer the fate of XBOX, but it will take longer, due to the greater safety margin of the PS brand.

Fully agree this is why I’m talking about PS6 generation much harder for consumers of PS & even outside like Xbox, Nintendo or PC to buy a PS knowing there games will end up on PC & with the dynamic of Nintendo & PlayStation power gap shortening I think this will make it even easier for a gamer outside or who’s invested on another platform to ignore PS console.

Neversummer · 12 Apr 2024

xollowsob said:
Forwards compatibility is the killer. Why upgrade from a PS4/pro when I can still play the most popular titles?
Upgrade to a PS5 for; returnal and ratchet. That's not enough incentive.

OT: Op, call me a doomer but I think it's too late for any course correction to have a meaningful impact. Yes, Sony need to change course, they need to return to tradition and reject the modern AAA industry as soon as possible.
Leave behind the politics on both sides that the common man is sick of.
Leave behind the majority of games being high budget.
Leave behind the chasing of cross platforms.

Return to; high powered console at a reasonable price with quick turnaround games and reduced the dev time from 7 years to 18 months. The time to triangle this gen is a joke.
Rebuild the A/AA markets.
Revamp and resurrect old IPs instead of letting them sit dormant.

Return to being Sony 1994 and not Microsoft 2014.

I think cutting budget would be better then porting PS first party to direct competitor & dropping your wall garden. I rather have GOW 1,2,3 w a budget of 100 million that releases every 3-4 years then GOW 2018/2022 w a budget of 200+ million & releases every 4-5 years. Sony can also make a lot of there studios multi team like Insomniac like Santa Monica team 1 working on a new ip, team 2 mainline gow, team 3 spin of gow in the veins of gow 1,2,3. Also licensing out your ip like Nintendo to increase output of beloved franchise

Neversummer · 12 Apr 2024

J_Paganel said:
Unfortunately, this is not the 90s, games have become technically more complex, and require more people, money (and this is without the inflation factor) and time.

But something really needs to be done about it, because when a direct continuation of GOW 2018 is made for 4 years, having already a ready technical base and assets, it looks strange. Also, when Sony puts all its eggs in the basket of naughty dog, insomniac and Guerrilla, and cuts the budgets of others, and even buries successful new IP (Days Gone says hello), it hurts the platform a lot and leads to the current situation, when there are no new ones on the horizon releases

PS: As for AA/AAA projects, I personally do not separate them. Budgets can be really different, but this does not greatly affect the quality of the final product.

For example, Yakuza and Valkyria Chronicles are not AAA, but they look great. As you know, there were not the biggest budgets, although in their case there is a factor of reuse of content and assets, because these are not new IPs that have more than one game in the series. Or Sleeping Dogs with a $30m budget (apparently without marketing) still looks great and in many ways can compete with modern AAA (and the game is more than 10 years old). It's a shame that the players then behaved like pigs and a great game was drowned by poor sales.

Also the call for console isnt the traditional high power box that sits under your tv & only allows you to play game while your at home & instead the future is a hybrid handheld where sure you can dock your handheld to your tv to play like traditional but also play natively on the go outside your house taking your PS & your games wherever you want to play similar to mobile.

It would be a mistake for Sony to make the PS6 a high power traditional box console when the industry is moving more mobile & lowering access to play your games outside your home

panda-zebra · 12 Apr 2024

Dunno about Sony being in serious trouble or whatever all that rambling wank was about, but my sanity is in dire straits after the repeated homonym assaults in here. Nukes to the fucking dome.

Neversummer · 12 Apr 2024

Nhomnhom said:
Third party support is the last piece of the puzzle for Nintendo total domination of consoles. They already completely shut out Sony from the portable market and they are about to aggressively eat more and more into Sony market share.

Sony is now completely out of position because of PC ports, complacency and lack of a native portable device.

The average PC player will also save money by pirating every PlayStation single player game day one.

I agree PS vita came at the wrong time 3 years before PS4 then when PS4 release they was all hands on deck thoe I guarantee the PS6 will be a native hybrid handheld like Switch.

Xbox is rumor to do a handheld & traditional box which imo is disaster it’s better to take Nintendo approach of combing both markets into 1 it overall streamline the process.

The key for Sony is creating a $500 PS6 native handheld at the power of PS5 to play PS5, PS4 & PS6 games with all the bell & wistle & offer a much smaller stream lined no led, no vibration, smaller battery, no detachable controllers, smaller screen to get the PS6 at the magical $300 price. PS2 & Switch will sell 160+ million that $300 price tag is the secret it’s a no brainer & extremely low barrier to entry.

But yuh if PS doesn’t change course there going to get absolute slaughter Nintendo first party output is insane they usually drop a minimum of 6-10 new Nintendo first party games while PS can only manage to release 1-2 in some cases like 2024 they will release 0 major game including a super slow 2023 year with only SM2 which again will just go to PC. I can always recommend Nintendo console to buy o can’t say the same w PS porting there games I’d say invest in a PC if you really don’t have FOMO.

KvallyX · 12 Apr 2024

gokuss4 said:
This site is becoming a parody like xbox era

Nhomnhom · 12 Apr 2024

Neversummer said:
I agree PS vita came at the wrong time 3 years before PS4 then when PS4 release they was all hands on deck thoe I guarantee the PS6 will be a native hybrid handheld like Switch.

Xbox is rumor to do a handheld & traditional box which imo is disaster it’s better to take Nintendo approach of combing both markets into 1 it overall streamline the process.

The key for Sony is creating a $500 PS6 native handheld at the power of PS5 to play PS5, PS4 & PS6 games with all the bell & wistle & offer a much smaller stream lined no led, no vibration, smaller battery, no detachable controllers, smaller screen to get the PS6 at the magical $300 price. PS2 & Switch will sell 160+ million that $300 price tag is the secret it’s a no brainer & extremely low barrier to entry.

But yuh if PS doesn’t change course there going to get absolute slaughter Nintendo first party output is insane they usually drop a minimum of 6-10 new Nintendo first party games while PS can only manage to release 1-2 in some cases like 2024 they will release 0 major game including a super slow 2023 year with only SM2 which again will just go to PC. I can always recommend Nintendo console to buy o can’t say the same w PS porting there games I’d say invest in a PC if you really don’t have FOMO.

Something else that would be brutal for PlayStation is that at this point they got used to selling games that sell 10m/20m. If they ever drop to selling around 90m like int the PS3 days things will collapse for their internal studios that seemed to all be tied to massive games that take 5 years+ to make.

PS5 selling bellow PS4 would be extremely concerning for PlayStation long term health.

Their bet on PC was just completely misguided and took a lot of momentum away from PlayStation, enough to possibly have killed their business long term (just like PC ports killed Xbox).

xollowsob · 12 Apr 2024

Reddit post incoming

Yurinka said:
I think it would be better to stop making -at least most of- their games bigger and bigger and instead scale back to make more shorter, 10-30 hours long games, but why do you want Sony to stop focusing making AAA games and focus on indie sized games instead? Their best 1st and 3rd selling games on their platform are the big ass ones, not the indies.

People in this forums are constantly crying saying that Sony haz no games when they have a record amount of games under development at the same time, and also say that their smaller projects "don't count".

And well, AA and even many indie games take way more than 18 months to be made, this isn't realistic at all to ask Sony to make games in a year and a half. Also, the idea is to make more money, not less. Most indie games don't sell a shit compared to big Sony AAA games.

And if they'd stop making AAA games, why would they want a powerful console?

Regarding course correction, doesn't make any sense to correct anything when they are better than ever and growing in basically all areas. The logical thing would be to continue with the strategy that is helping them to grow in all areas.

Yeah this is what I was getting at. Their big tentpole games like Horizon, uncharted, TLoU etc keep as their big bangers, AAA budget games that push the envolope. Everything else keep small. Steller blade and RoR look to make some big bucks while being very good games. Focus on this strategy and keep it on PS5/6.

Yurinka said:
They are in the market of 2024, not the one of 1994 or 2014. The games that sell are different and way more complex, so they require a lot of more work to be made.

And the Sony of 2024 is being way more successful than the Sony 1944 and Microsoft 2014 combined, and in a yearly pattern of growth in all areas. Which means that they will continue being even more successful in 2025, 2026, etc.

The growth isn't growth. We've been over this time and time again. Fudging numbers and not adjusting for inflation means the industry can paint a rosey picture but it's lies, damned lies and statistics.

Sony own the console market. The only reason people believe the market is different today than it was in 94 is because we're told it is.

J_Paganel said:
Unfortunately, this is not the 90s, games have become technically more complex, and require more people, money (and this is without the inflation factor) and time.

Games aren't more complex. They're pants-on-head levels of retardedly simple stories, 2d cookie-cutter characters and empty worlds.
If there's any argument to say games are harder to make, it's because modern devs are largely in-fucking-competent and it's about time they were called out for it.

J_Paganel said:
But something really needs to be done about it, because when a direct continuation of GOW 2018 is made for 4 years, having already a ready technical base and assets, it looks strange. Also, when Sony puts all its eggs in the basket of naughty dog, insomniac and Guerrilla, and cuts the budgets of others, and even buries successful new IP (Days Gone says hello), it hurts the platform a lot and leads to the current situation, when there are no new ones on the horizon releases

I agree. Launching that game on both PS4 and PS5 after such a long wait was dumb. It should have been exclusive.

J_Paganel said:
PS: As for AA/AAA projects, I personally do not separate them. Budgets can be really different, but this does not greatly affect the quality of the final product.

For example, Yakuza and Valkyria Chronicles are not AAA, but they look great. As you know, there were not the biggest budgets, although in their case there is a factor of reuse of content and assets, because these are not new IPs that have more than one game in the series. Or Sleeping Dogs with a $30m budget (apparently without marketing) still looks great and in many ways can compete with modern AAA (and the game is more than 10 years old). It's a shame that the players then behaved like pigs and a great game was drowned by poor sales.

I agree again. AA projects can be fantastic with smaller budgets and Sony should focus more on A and AA games to pad out the long waits between AAA.

Neversummer said:
I think cutting budget would be better then porting PS first party to direct competitor & dropping your wall garden. I rather have GOW 1,2,3 w a budget of 100 million that releases every 3-4 years then GOW 2018/2022 w a budget of 200+ million & releases every 4-5 years. Sony can also make a lot of there studios multi team like Insomniac like Santa Monica team 1 working on a new ip, team 2 mainline gow, team 3 spin of gow in the veins of gow 1,2,3. Also licensing out your ip like Nintendo to increase output of beloved franchise

Nailed it, 100%. Small teams remake old Ip's and keep the library padded/ticking over while the bigger games have their releases a couple of times per generation, as has happened from 94-'14, until Sony dropped the ball, chased the western corporate idea of 'money now' and decided, for some unknown reason, to follow Microsoft off of a cliff

xollowsob · 12 Apr 2024

gokuss4 said:
I feel some people here didn't witness sony in ps3

Where Sony released an expensive console with no games for years? Imagine repeating the same mistake.
They won that generation by making games, lots of them, with high quality, that were only available on the PS3 while the competitor sat on their thumbs. If MS had released a new console in 2010, before PS3 momentum started, things would have been very dire for Sony,

gokuss4 said:
These days sony is doing great ps5 is their most successful console

Based on?

Cyberbroly7 · 12 Apr 2024

Neversummer said:
Giving how the gaming industry is heading more mobile w traditional console going away & hybrid handhelds taking the place of console where does PlayStation stands against its competitor imo there position in a awkward & dangerous spot within gaming & hardware.

Today ex 3rd party relationship joined Nintendo prior to the Switch 2 release.

With Nintendo doubling down on it’s hardware hybrid handheld console it seems like Nintendo is head for a major cadence the first 3 years w fans speculating a new smash or smash dlc, a new Pokémon already announced for 2025, a new 3D Mario speculated & a new Mario Kart 3/4 out of these options are very likely to release the first 1-2 years w other games like a new Metroid to be rumored to be release in its first year. A new Animal crossing & Splatoon would also not be shocking to be release its first 1-3 years of its life cycle.

Where does this put PlayStation. PC ports already converting PS gamers to migrate to other platforms as PS no longer has permanent exclusive to compete & strengthens its platform & storefront. And Sony reporting down year over year just after 4 years of PS5 being in the market (you can argue the first 2 years didn’t allow PlayStation to truly sell PS5 which the down year is shocking but can explain the lack of first party exclusive from first party PS studios having 1 or no major games in 2023 & 2024 making Sony miss 2023 targets of 25 million PS5 sold which would break all time record for PlayStation.

I fully expect Nintendo with its crazy lineup to easily break 25 million once again showing Sony wrong that the old models for profits proves to be the reliable correct strategy to follow. (I think Nintendo can sell 25 million consoles multiple times in its first 1-2 years maybe even 3 years if they’re line up crazy.

Nintendo Switch 2 is rumored to be in the same power as the PS4 which will allow Nintendo to capitalize on 3rd party that never release on Nintendo console & what where once exclusive to PS previous, will see much aggressive competition from Nintendo with devs now releasing most if not all 3rd party games on Nintendo & PS.

And depending on 3rd party relationship. We could see a Nintendo that has exclusive Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy (if Nintendo is aggressive which I do see happening) skipping PS which would be crazy all while PS continues to lower there wall garden & further allow there platform & storefront to diminish & become obsolete & relevant long term.

Sony is putting themselves in the same position as Xbox. I could see a future where PS is all in PC ignoring all negative effects slowly boiling themselves like a frog where devs focus on PC & Nintendo & if Steam wanted to replace PS they would push Steamdeck as the hybrid console that can play PC, Xbox & PS games all in one platform. Steam also making new games would further push there already dominate & almost defacto platform & storefront in gaming.

It will be interesting to see how PlayStation navigate while not having exclusive to make its platform & storefront a defacto platform. Even if Sony announce a PS6 or if the PS6 is a hybrid handheld PS no longer has permanent exclusive all of there first party games are time exclusive & there will be a Steamdeck that can play those games once the get ported while also having the benefit of PC & having cheaper prices from sales, no pay online subscription plus Steam has its Valve permanent exclusive & exclusive PC games that don’t go to PS.

Also if Xbox somehow builds a open PC hybrid handheld that allows you to play Xbox, PS & PC games in 1 platform MS would ironically be more invested in hardware then PS themselves as a PS console would only have PS games missing Xbox games be it Xbox games get ported 1 year later & PC games.

Imo Sony is dumb for following Xbox disastrously failed strategy. Sony made there slow death bed & MS is probably laughing Sony decided to drop there wall garden no longer allowing PS to fully kill off Xbox. Unless Sony changes plan I doubt I continue investing on the PS platform & storefront that has to many holes & cautious signs for me to fully invest in the long run. I’m already in the procces of fully migrating to PC & Nintendo all I’m waiting for is if PS next leader continues this path that has diminished, harm & out risk of the PS brand identity & if the Switch 2 will be at the power of a PS4 which can play beautiful games like Uncharted 4, TLOU2, GOT, GOW if it does it will be an easy decision where to invest my money in the long run on a safe platform since I don’t ever see Steam or Nintendo ever dropping there wall gardens & seeking other methods such as mobile, live service, park, cross media, toys & other methods for increase profits & expansion that won’t harm, diminish its identity or put them at risk of Nintendo ability to be highly competitive.

All of that essay of info and it's all rubbish...I don't know who gave u that mindset and I'm don't even see any value it will produce to answer u but the idiotic is when u included the Nintendo with ppl migrating from PS to Nintendo , thats dumb..and the identity crisis ure babbling about, probably proves u know nothing about Sony's plans and what their aim is in gaming

Gediminas · 12 Apr 2024

xollowsob said:
Where Sony released an expensive console with no games for years? Imagine repeating the same mistake.
They won that generation by making games, lots of them, with high quality, that were only available on the PS3 while the competitor sat on their thumbs. If MS had released a new console in 2010, before PS3 momentum started, things would have been very dire for Sony,

Based on?

you really need to check PS3 game releases. this is totally fallacy that sony didn't released games for years in PS3 generation.

CrackmanNL · 12 Apr 2024

Gediminas said:
you really need to check PS3 game releases. this is totally fallacy that sony didn't released games for years in PS3 generation.

Granted im from EU so PS3 came few months later but in 2007 it launched with Resistance & Motorstorm and later I got Heavenly Sword, Uncharted and Ratchet&Clank... and on launch I got GoW 2 & Okami which played beautiful HD upscaled through bc on the Phat on my HD-TV. Most folks just didn't have the money, owned a HDTV to benefit blue-ray or weren't willing to pay back then for gaming. Tired of the revisionist history.

Johnic · 12 Apr 2024

Not even close.

Systemshock2023 · 12 Apr 2024

J_Paganel said:
X360 owners also switched to XONE by inertia, but this momentum quickly ended when XBOX began to lose ground due to the launch of GamePass and PC releases.

Thats icon era narrative, not the whole story. The damage was done before the Xbox one launched. There was inertia but also lots of 360 to PS4 switches.
MS dropped the ball from 2010 onward and lost a lot of momentum. Sony knows you can start slow but it's more important how you end a generation to gain goodwill toward the next. And uncharted 2 onward they showed that.

There were lots of folks that switched from 360 to PS4 due to this. Even without taking the PR launch shit show into consideration. Hell I would even go back to RROD as a cause. If I had a console that had to repair one or more times, sure as hell I would switch brands.

PlayStation is in serious trouble if they don’t reverse course

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