PlayStation is in serious trouble if they don’t reverse course

Nhomnhom · 13 Apr 2024

Danja1187 said:
Thank you! You can tell who didn't actuallh own a PS3 prior to the 2nd half of the generation. Because Sony was dropping games from day one and never stopped. I never went without ever having games to play on my PS3 and I got it day one as it launched on my B'Day that year.

The bad days of new IPs like Uncharted, TLoU, Demon's Souls, Resistance, Infamous, Little Big Planet, MotorStorm, Heavy Rain/Beyond Two Souls. Many games being actual exclusives like MGS4, no PC ports of everything, free online, how much we suffered...

Etifilio said:
the argument some use here that games today are too expensive to be limited to a console is beyond ridiculous, PlayStation first party titles have been breaking records in sales, God Of War Ragnarok sold 15 million in a year, Spiderman 2 sold 10 million in 3 months, Horizon Forbidden West sold more than Horizon Zero Dawn in the same timeframe, PlayStation's first party titles have been growing more and more YoY, PC represents a ridiculously low amount of the sales, when Spiderman 3 arrives it'll probably sell 20 million in a year, the same for the next God Of War, this without the need to be on PC, they're risking all of that to have short term SMALL profits

If anything they are too expensive to be given away on a cheap service or to be exposed to rampant piracy on PC.

Etifilio said:
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Neversummer · 13 Apr 2024

Etifilio said:
Ghost Of Tsushima will be released on PC, the Legends mode (that requires a PS Plus subscription on PlayStation consoles) will be avaliable for PC users to play at no additional cost, at this point, you're literally making your console the worst possible place to play your own game, this is disgusting to say the minimmum, i'm telling you guys, the days of three digit 100M+ PlayStation consoles is OVER, i'm starting to doubt even PS5 will surpass this mark at this point.

I think PS5 will hit 100+ million but the PS6 will be more effective why get a PS6 when you can get a PC, Steamdeck 2 at $500 that can play your games at a better performance & saving $ on the long run + all of the PC benefits he’ll if somehow MS can build a open console that’s like PC where it runs windows & you can open whatever platform you would be able to play PS games that are on PC on Xbox theoretically or just invest on a Nintendo console who’s power gap between other hardware will get smaller & smaller over time but have the security of Nintendo games never going to any other platform ensuring in 10/20 years the platform/storefront you invested is here in the long run.

This question of PS future will be brought back up when Sony expands PC w a PS storefront & allow PC players to build a PS library on PC instead of PS diluting PS own platform. Oh & from the leaks it looks like they also bring trophy support & PS+ to PC. PC will have a PS storefront, trophies, PS controller fully supported, cheaper game sales, no online subscription, PSVR I can keep going it will only get worse.

klomzi · 13 Apr 2024

Neversummer said:
This question of PS future will be brought back up when Sony expands PC w a PS storefront & allow PC players to build a PS library on PC instead of PS diluting PS own platform. Oh & from the leaks it looks like they also bring trophy support & PS+ to PC. PC will have a PS storefront, trophies, PS controller fully supported, cheaper game sales, no online subscription, PSVR I can keep going it will only get worse.

The PSN store itself is awful in many ways, Steam has had lots of competitors shooting themself in the foot, not making a dent into Steams popularity, why would Sony do it any differently?

Sony will probably try in different ways to disable mod support on their PC client.

Neversummer · 13 Apr 2024

klomzi said:
The PSN store itself is awful in many ways, Steam has had lots of competitors shooting themself in the food, not making a dent into Steams popularity, why would Sony do it any differently?

Sony will probably try in different ways to disable mod support on their PC client.

Agree I’m just stating

Also I’d be surprised if we don’t see more exclusivity deals are bad narrative etc since PS themselves don’t make there game permanently exclusive & show that only releasing on there platform is enough for 3rd party to be successful like Nintendo

PS needs to buy Square Enix or loose exclusivity of the FF to your most direct competitor Nintendo. I fully expect mainline DQ, FF, KH, Neir to launch simultaneously on Switch 2 w PS & if PS wants to compete & they don’t buy Square Enix then PS is not the platform to invest in the long run. There’s even mobile games & Japanese centric game that skip PS but release on Nintendo because there so dominant. Buying Square Enix should’ve been done back in 2020 when MS first bought Zenimax where 4 years in & PS is lacking just like they was lacking & lost out on acquiring Fromsoft & Atlus

I would have to question Sony brain dead strategy to follow Xbox & let PC/Steam & Nintendo become stronger players in gaming by helping them kill you then doubling down on your own platform which lack first party PS studio output, lack first party studios to create more games in different genres & strengthen the platform & storefront all together bending the knee of gamers on other platforms to get a PS console & make them heavily invested inside your own ecosystem

klomzi said:
The PSN store itself is awful in many ways, Steam has had lots of competitors shooting themself in the food, not making a dent into Steams popularity, why would Sony do it any differently?

Sony will probably try in different ways to disable mod support on their PC client.

xollowsob · 13 Apr 2024

Old Gamer said:
Sure it was expensive, but no games?? Looks like people really swallowed Microsoft's propaganda from back then.

No games = no super bangers/ games that showed the power of the PS3/cell.

Remember, the split ram hurt Sony on every third party game. They needed the first party games to really show why the PS3 was superior. They did that with uncharted. Uncharted 2 looked incredible.

Zzero · 13 Apr 2024

Neversummer said:
Agree I’m just stating

Also I’d be surprised if we don’t see more exclusivity deals are bad narrative etc since PS themselves don’t make there game permanently exclusive & show that only releasing on there platform is enough for 3rd party to be successful like Nintendo

PS needs to buy Square Enix or loose exclusivity of the FF to your most direct competitor Nintendo. I fully expect mainline DQ, FF, KH, Neir to launch simultaneously on Switch 2 w PS & if PS wants to compete & they don’t buy Square Enix then PS is not the platform to invest in the long run. There’s even mobile games & Japanese centric game that skip PS but release on Nintendo because there so dominant. Buying Square Enix should’ve been done back in 2020 when MS first bought Zenimax where 4 years in & PS is lacking just like they was lacking & lost out on acquiring Fromsoft & Atlus

I would have to question Sony brain dead strategy to follow Xbox & let PC/Steam & Nintendo become stronger players in gaming by helping them kill you then doubling down on your own platform which lack first party PS studio output, lack first party studios to create more games in different genres & strengthen the platform & storefront all together bending the knee of gamers on other platforms to get a PS console & make them heavily invested inside your own ecosystem

If the last 4 years have proven anything its that S-E would have been a bad buy. Just releasing one underperformer after another and in a seller's market. Sony "lucked out" not trying to buy them.

ToTTenTranz · 13 Apr 2024

Nhomnhom said:
Which current games do not run well on a Steam Deck? Very few.

Switch 2 just needs to be much better than the Switch to open up the door to more and better ports.

The Steam Deck has 16GB RAM and a bunch of the latest games only run moderately (30FPS) at full 15W TDP.
The Switch 2 uses a less advanced fabrication process with worse performance-per-watt, all games must be able to run at 3-5W in handheld mode and it's probably not going to get more than 12GB (perhaps only 8GB even).
Handheld mode in the Switch 2 will be a third of what the Steam Deck can do, probably less.

Like I said, people seem to be grossly overestimating the Switch 2's capabilities.

Neversummer said:
PS needs to buy Square Enix or loose exclusivity of the FF to your most direct competitor Nintendo.

Nintendo isn't a competitor to Sony.
There's no world where the Switch 2 runs PS5 games. It'll be running PS4 games that look somewhat better due to new techniques. Like the Switch runs better looking PS360 games due to new techniques.

Danja1187 · 13 Apr 2024

xollowsob said:
No games = no super bangers/ games that showed the power of the PS3/cell.

Remember, the split ram hurt Sony on every third party game. They needed the first party games to really show why the PS3 was superior. They did that with uncharted. Uncharted 2 looked incredible.

So having 40 players online day one wasn't showing the power of the Cell?

The seamless gameplay of Warkawk?

Ratchet looking like a Pixar movie?

So many enemies on screen for Heavenly Sword along with the amazing physics?

Uncharted finally merging cinematic gameplay with immersive environments and characters all in one? Along with being the best looking game of that year

Motorstorm being the graphical showcase it was along with terrain deformation?

MGS4???

You're looking back at the past through the eyes of propaganda lens.

Danja1187 · 13 Apr 2024

ToTTenTranz said:
Nintendo isn't a competitor to Sony.
There's no world where the Switch 2 runs PS5 games. It'll be running PS4 games that look somewhat better due to new techniques. Like the Switch runs better looking PS360 games due to new techniques.

Nintendo is absolutely a competitor to Sony

Johnic · 13 Apr 2024

Danja1187 said:
So having 40 players online day one wasn't showing the power of the Cell?

The seamless gameplay of Warkawk?

Ratchet looking like a Pixar movie?

So many enemies on screen for Heavenly Sword along with the amazing physics?

Uncharted finally merging cinematic gameplay with immersive environments and characters all in one? Along with being the best looking game of that year

Motorstorm being the graphical showcase it was along with terrain deformation?

MGS4???

You're looking back at the past through the eyes of propaganda lens.

Why do you even bother with that guy? It's a shill.

Cyberbroly7 · 13 Apr 2024

Rubbish take...I hate it when ppl take ideas from their butts wishing it's a fact, it ends up making curse a lot cause of how arrogant it is...prove that crap u just suggested...u just sound like a desparate fool trying to get some relief about Xbox's fucked up situation.

Now listen here: Xbox is fucked and Sony with Nintendo fucked it in the ass like they did with Sega even though Microsoft has the money... third-party suits them and they show embrace it, keep providing games to PlayStation cause no one will buy them on Xbox since no one else cares about buying an Xbox , Shit games, Shit community, Shit company, Shit fake promises, Shit executive...fuck Phil... that's all from me and PS fans and Xbox fans who can't speak for themselves

Neversummer said:
Is Sony aim in gaming to be 3rd party & being last in hardware? If so that’s the direction there heading really what’s the difference between Xbox strategy & PS the only difference is PS is years behind & having games not go day n date but very much PS is following Xbox to its very tea PS is nothing more then a stalled Xbox in the hardware console space Nintendo will continue & further slaughter PS & continue to eat away PS market share in the console market. People ignoring Nintendo while Nintendo moves like sharks in the background. PS will either fully copy Xbox & go day n date & kill there console & make most of its money on software games or reverse & now be at the mercy of Nintendo, Steam, MS, Apple or Meta PS is either a closed wall garden or fully 3rd party no in between.

xollowsob · 13 Apr 2024

Danja1187 said:
So having 40 players online day one wasn't showing the power of the Cell?

The seamless gameplay of Warkawk?

Ratchet looking like a Pixar movie?

So many enemies on screen for Heavenly Sword along with the amazing physics?

Uncharted finally merging cinematic gameplay with immersive environments and characters all in one? Along with being the best looking game of that year

Motorstorm being the graphical showcase it was along with terrain deformation?

MGS4???

You're looking back at the past through the eyes of propaganda lens.

No, u.

PS3 took years to pick up momentum, when it did, it did in a big way. No games made an impact like Uncharted and TLoU did.

Gears 3, a graphical showcase for the 360, released roughly the same time Uncharted did iirc and it showed the limitations of the 360 in a big way.

I preferred the 360 over the PS3 because I preferred sega over Sony. PS1 and PS4 were my faves of those respective gens though.

thicc_girls_are_teh_best · 13 Apr 2024

xollowsob said:
No games = no super bangers/ games that showed the power of the PS3/cell.

Remember, the split ram hurt Sony on every third party game. They needed the first party games to really show why the PS3 was superior. They did that with uncharted. Uncharted 2 looked incredible.

Uncharted 2 came out in 2009. That's a year before 2010.

Would also argue Uncharted 1, in 2007, was better looking than almost any other multiplat or 360 exclusive at that time. Yes, including Halo 3 (not much of a looker) and Gears of War. Motorstorm, IMO, looked better than PGR3 at the time and was arguably the best-looking racer on the market at the time from a technical POV.

Also your timeline is super fkkd-up: Gears 3 came out in 2011, Uncharted 1 was 2007. I'd say Gears 3 looked better than Uncharted 1 and at least on par with Uncharted 2, but Uncharted 3 easily looked better and released the same year as Gears 3.

xollowsob · 13 Apr 2024

thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Uncharted 2 came out in 2009. That's a year before 2010.

Would also argue Uncharted 1, in 2007, was better looking than almost any other multiplat or 360 exclusive at that time. Yes, including Halo 3 (not much of a looker) and Gears of War. Motorstorm, IMO, looked better than PGR3 at the time and was arguably the best-looking racer on the market at the time from a technical POV.

Also your timeline is super fkkd-up: Gears 3 came out in 2011, Uncharted 1 was 2007. I'd say Gears 3 looked better than Uncharted 1 and at least on par with Uncharted 2, but Uncharted 3 easily looked better and released the same year as Gears 3.

Uncharted 2 looked better than gears 3. Not only did footprints in the sand get filled in by grains filling in the holes but the light refracting through stained-glass windows and casting various coloured shadows was like nothing I've seen before.
Gears 3 looked like a polished gears 2 and it was when I noticed the 360 had hit the ceiling.

Tbh, I don't remember the years very well back then, it all morphs into one blob. I was pretty wasted for most of it

anonpuffs · 13 Apr 2024

xollowsob said:
Uncharted 2 looked better than gears 3. Not only did footprints in the sand get filled in by grains filling in the holes but the light refracting through stained-glass windows and casting various coloured shadows was like nothing I've seen before.
Gears 3 looked like a polished gears 2 and it was when I noticed the 360 had hit the ceiling.

Tbh, I don't remember the years very well back then, it all morphs into one blob. I was pretty wasted for most of it

Tbh I think Gears as a series is overrated from an aesthetic standpoint. Sure they use high quality assets comparable to the big boys in AAA, but imo there's much less attention to detail in the environments and animations in general.

Neversummer · 14 Apr 2024

ToTTenTranz said:
Nintendo isn't a competitor to Sony.
There's no world where the Switch 2 runs PS5 games. It'll be running PS4 games that look somewhat better due to new techniques. Like the Switch runs better looking PS360 games due to new techniques.

Lmao this has to be the funniest thing, “Nintendo isn’t a competitor to Sony”

Rn you can get a Steamdeck for $450 & it’s plays PS4 & PS5 games at 1080p 60fps in some cases with multiplayer games or busy open worlds it runs 1080p 40fps. Switch 2 will do 1080p 60fps if not it will do 1080p 40fps which you won’t feel the difference in a handheld.

Nintendo & Sony are a tech/entertainment companies to say there not competitors is comical.

Nintendo is #1 is the console market leader
Selling more consoles, selling more software, making more profits with half of the budget.

& with Nintendo expanding to cross media & parks then having family friendly universal ip, stronger ips that Sony don’t have Nintendo is well position to become the #1 entertainment company in the world surpassing Sony & Disney you can even argue Nintendo can be a much better Disney without the woke bs regarding parks since they have strong ip in fantasy worlds that attract family, teens & adults something Sony/PS can’t do since they PS focus majority on mature titles.

Nintendo is #1 in console, #1 in software & will become #1 in entertainment & #1 in parks. Neglecting Nintendo as a fierce competitor will be a reckless & brain dead decision to make they are #1 for a reason.

Nintendo isn’t even in VR & against Meta, Apple & Sony Sony is last in VR.(they need to put more effort, investing in ndreams & having them as a VR studios that can make VR mode like GT7 with PS singleplayer games wouldve been great for PSVR, Death Stranding 2 in VR, TLOU1 & 2 in VR would be really good in the same way Capcom transformed RE into VR)

xollowsob · 14 Apr 2024

anonpuffs said:
Tbh I think Gears as a series is overrated from an aesthetic standpoint. Sure they use high quality assets comparable to the big boys in AAA, but imo there's much less attention to detail in the environments and animations in general.

They nailed the aesthetic and atmosphere in 1; making it more of a survival horror. When they went in the dudebro action shoot bang direction it all fell apart.

anonpuffs · 14 Apr 2024

xollowsob said:
They nailed the aesthetic and atmosphere in 1; making it more of a survival horror. When they went in the dudebro action shoot bang direction it all fell apart.

I never played the originals when Epic was still making them but I did watch a friend play, I remember I was impressed with the fidelity but it was a long time ago so when I went to revisit the series a few years ago I was like "huh, that's it? that's what everyone's saying is amazing?"

JAHGamer · 14 Apr 2024

J_Paganel · 14 Apr 2024

JAHGamer said:

I recently bought GoW3 for PS5 because I've only played GoW 2018, and for some reason I've missed the Kratos series.

But before that, out of curiosity, I looked to see if it worked on the emulator on SteamDeck. It works, but not well (SD APU does not support modern instructions), but on RogAlly everything works and looks great.

I think SteamDeck 2 will get a powerful boost at the start, not only due to ports of modern games from Sony, but also from PS3 games, which will run on SD2 without any problems at that time.

PS: Some older games really do require at least an old CRT TV. Emulators can provide a similar effect, but it requires manual settings.

PlayStation is in serious trouble if they don’t reverse course

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