Helldivers 2 will require Steam players to sign in with PSN account, led to review bombing games & refunds. |UP| Gamers organizing to revert reviews.

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His only human, probably under a lot of stress right now of course his going to make mistakes.

At least he took accountability for his actions, which is rare for a CEO to do
Yeah, that was my impression as well. Like an emotional outburst over this. Let's see what happens tomorrow. I bet Sony goes back on this.
 
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Yeah, that was my impression as well. Like an emotional outburst over this. Let's see what happens tomorrow. I bet Sony goes back on this.
What happened was they pulled the game from sale from countries that couldn't meet the requirements rather than pull the requirements. Steam is fucked.
 

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These guys have lost their minds
oh boy, they'll only harm themselfs with these moves, trust me, Sony is not the one company they'll easily trick and fool to revert a common industry practice/norm for multiplayer games on all platforms, i had to link a MS account to play Sea Of Thieves on my PS5, which is a closed platform, but they think they're entitled to not link a PSN account on an OPEN platform like PC... to play PlayStation game with other PlayStation players, terms of service need to be equal TO ALL players of the game, who do they think they are?
 
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The terms of purchase were that you needed a PSN account. And unless Valve's policy says they can force you to accept refunds on your game for any reason at any time, they're not covered by whatever rules you've imagined.
Is it confirmed that Valve is refunding everybody, regardless of regions? It is so confusing because it's always the same 2 screenshots that gets posted.

I hope Sony cancels the release of Ghost Of Tsushima. This would be the best outcome from this 😋
 

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Some of you being console only folk don't remember the great paid mods debacle on Skyrim a few years ago.

Bethesda was looking to monetize all mods and users started review bombing, they backtracked and BGS RPGS are still among the most popular on PC.

Users will be pissed for a while but then they will forget. In this case The convenience of not having to buy a box to play a game outweighs any kind of outrage.

Lots of games have review bombing. And then folks forget, remember how broken nier automata was on PC and how long it took them to fix it? Batman Arkham knight?
 

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Some of you being console only folk don't remember the great paid mods debacle on Skyrim a few years ago.

Bethesda was looking to monetize all mods and users started review bombing, they backtracked and BGS RPGS are still among the most popular on PC.

Users will be pissed for a while but then they will forget. In this case The convenience of not having to buy a box to play a game outweighs any kind of outrage.

Lots of games have review bombing. And then folks forget, remember how broken nier automata was on PC and how long it took them to fix it? Batman Arkham knight?
this is not a monetization issue, players are not being charged to create an account, the only valid concerns are for people living in areas outside of PSN avaliability, which are not even 5% of the players of the game, Sony won't backtrack this, they can't, cause if they do, every game they release on PC moving forward will be the same situation and they need to have control over the players of their own games, plain simple
 

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This is actually turning into a massive issue lol

Best case scenario it forces Sony to stop fucking around and actually revamp their customer support pipeline and all of their customer-facing policies

But I doubt it. They'd rather shoot their own dick off than put some effort into Playstation.
 
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People : Xbox and xbots most toxic community in gaming..

Steambots : hold my bear xbots..
after this evidently and living proof situation we're witnessing they lost all of their rights to call out for console fanboys and to be on internet forum/websites trying to mock console users, they're literally the most toxic and childish community across all gaming and finally everyone in and outside gaming is seeing it now
 

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this is completely surpassing all the levels and limits of tolerable behaviour and influencers fueling hate torwards the game/studio like Grummz are to blame for it
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On a completely separate note, but somewhat related, I wonder just how much PS consoles can slide into irrelevancy now. With Xbox's rapid decline in the console space and Nintendo's status as a hybrid, there really isn't much choice but to go with Sony going forward. If you want a console that can play all the latest games, PS is the best choice now (the only choice if Xbox ultimately exits the traditional console market). Of course, there's always the option to switch to PC but that is not desirable or feasible for many people. Could that be one of the reasons why optics are seemingly becoming less important to Sony?

It depends, because part of this assumes nothing else replaces Xbox in the traditional console space. Nintendo isn't going anywhere, and if they can get to a point where you can pack enough "good enough" performance in a hybrid design at-cost or for profit on the hardware itself, and baseline game development can be satisfied at the AAA level at whatever a Nintendo handheld of that type would look like, you now have a significantly more potent competitor in Nintendo than Xbox has been for the past decade.

There's also the chance Valve return to a Steam Machines concept but with wider volume of production, mirroring closer what they do with the Steam Deck and perhaps even willing to take a hit (subsidize) on the hardware to push install base. Lest SIE bring some big innovations to the PS user experience that type of situation would really screw them, but it's a lot less likely than the Nintendo example I just mentioned. Also can't really discount Xbox; they may get away from the traditional console model, but what's to say a $399 (as an example) next-gen Xbox just somewhat weaker than a PS6, but with PC-like open functionality (including multiple storefronts like Steam and GOG) and "good enough" baseline performance for AAA games, could be a better challenger to PlayStation than the current systems are.

And the last one would be very bad for PlayStation IMO if they continued with their PC strategy as-is or accelerated the porting schedules. Because in that case they lose one of their greatest assets to drive console adoption among hardcore and core enthusiasts (exclusives) either way.

It terms of the official response from Sony, what I meant was a response to all this backlash. I wonder if they didn't expect it at all or didn't see how severe it would become. It's costing them money now. Will they directly respond to it? If so, what will they say? That's what I'm waiting to hear.

Oh yeah, same. I guess we'll see on Monday. At the very least, they are probably not happy with the backlash whatsoever but, again, very slight chance they could be in a 4D Chess kind of way.

I do hear you about the points you made regarding all the "bad little things" and agree with your stance that it's not a good look for Sony - now and in the future. On the other hand, though, I think the majority of PS gamers are looking for a reliable console/accessories, comfortable controller, and good games which Sony are delivering. That's the priority of, I would say, the majority of people who game on PS. Either way, along with you and everyone else here, I will be closely watching how Sony handles things.

Well yeah, considering the majority of PS customers would be casual and mainstream types, they couldn't give less of a crap about this HD2 drama or most of the things I mentioned in that other post. My concern is, hardcore and core PS gamers would care, to varying degrees yes but more on average than casual & mainstream for sure.

And if they feel it's enough to not bother getting the next PlayStation, or do most of their game purchasing outside the PlayStation ecosystem, that will have a knock-on effect towards adoption from latter groups later on, plus a disproportionate impact on revenue and profits for the division, IMO.

The rumor comes from arthur gies


That nobody is still around? I completely forgot about them or what they did to become infamous.
 
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No they will have been informed that the game required a PSN account to be linked since that's how it was supposed to launch
You have no idea how Steam works. Valve does not look into that, that is not their job. The notice of needing a PSN account is there and most people don't care about having to create an account unless you physically can't, or the requirements are absurd. Valve is not going to see that PSN set countries they don't support for sale, that's Sony's fault.

In some countries, you're just not allowed to make an account, same with Ukraine for example where you need a ps4/5 already to do so.
 
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I don't want to blame anyone , it's a complete none issue but losers like you just want to hate on playstation
Only if you're too ignorant or lacking of emphathy to understand the actual reason people are upset about this. (Maybe it has something to do with the delisting for 125 countries the game was sold in by Sony knowing they dont support them?)