After two months Starfield has officially less players on Steam than Skyrim, a game released by the same company 12 years ago
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No, not debatable. Baldur's Gate 3 was released in October 2020 in Early Access, which means it was playable by everybody from that moment onwards.
So they sold a bare bones game and added stuff later.
Early access is a scam. If a game released on a storefront and available for purchase, it released. Early access or not.
Not trying to shit on the game, I just don't like the whole early access thing.
Eh, no. Nowhere near the same thing. Early access and selling an incomplete game while representing it as a complete one are nowhere near the same thing. For one, people buying into early access know it's unfinished and that the game will launch with more content at a later date. You're essentially signing up to be a bug tester and to give feedback on the direction of the game. The difference is that the customer is given the information up front and knows what they're getting into.
We're arguing semantics here. User expectations notwithstanding, which is you trying to move the goalpost, the game being feature complete or not has zero to do with it's status as released or not - No Man's Sky alone proves this.
The question is: Could you, or could you not, play Baldur's Gate 3 back in 2020?
The only answer is: Yes.
Therefore, the game was released in 2020. Was it the final release? No, it was early access as you very well pointed out, but that's irrelevant to the argument I was making.
Okay, so Baldur's gate managed to retain over 200% of its launch numbers (80k vs 180k) after 3 years... good job, you made a good argument
That was precisely my argument. I was not attacking Baldur's Gate, I was defending it, since it's way more impressive that a 3-year-old game can keep these many players engaged.Okay, so Baldur's gate managed to retain over 200% of its launch numbers (80k vs 180k) after 3 years... good job, you made a good argument
Perhaps you should try not to assume that people are criticising something.
I just think it's an apples vs oranges comparison, the early access vs real launch drew in different crowds of people. early access drew the die hard crpg'ers and nostalgia junkies who would be there regardless, but the real launch drew in (and kept) casuals based on the hype. I didn't think you were criticizing BG, I just think it's a specious way to frame the numbers.
To be fair, I assume most Starfield players are playing it on Gamepass, either in console or PC.
But in any case, doesn't sound good at all. I assume that MS souldn't be happy at all with the Redfall and Starfield performance after having invested $7B to acquire Zenimax.
But in any case, doesn't sound good at all. I assume that MS souldn't be happy at all with the Redfall and Starfield performance after having invested $7B to acquire Zenimax.
Am sure they are having a party now celebrating CODs lowest Meta in history the week they finally own it.
Yes, Phil shouldn't be happy at all. But well, I assume his higher ups and investors won't look at game reviews but only will look at finantial results and since the gaming division hides its loses they'll only see that thanks to the ABK acquisition the gaming division's revenue will have grow a lot and that CoD fans continue buying CoD.
Note: Xbox userbase is the smallest in the industry. Anecdotal splits for most mp games make the industry split look something like 40/40/20 Ps/steam/xbx with Xbox shrinking with each month due to Series SuX being their worst selling consoles ever.
Starfield is holding on better on console than Pc. Still in top 10 at number 8 for user engagement on XBL. If it holds thru to December that’s actually good as far as gamepass releases go making it the most successful gamespass release on console so far.
The Pc story is quite telling tho. It’s bombing on both Steam and Microsoft’s own windows (even with gamepass). To say the least it seems like pc gamers don’t really care to gamepass (I reckon because they can easily pirate most software it features).
Starfield is holding on better on console than Pc. Still in top 10 at number 8 for user engagement on XBL. If it holds thru to December that’s actually good as far as gamepass releases go making it the most successful gamespass release on console so far.
The Pc story is quite telling tho. It’s bombing on both Steam and Microsoft’s own windows (even with gamepass). To say the least it seems like pc gamers don’t really care to gamepass (I reckon because they can easily pirate most software it features).
That's still about 4x more high-quality content than Starfield's stuff that isn't procedurally generated, so I guess the comparison is valid.