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When you see what 1st party studios can do or talented developers like Rockstar or Capcom, the problem is not the PS5 but the limited capabilities of third party devs.
Yes, I don't agree with this notion of needing new hardware, the problem is dev cycles are longer and devs haven't been acclimated properly to the new hardware. Stronger hardware just brute forcing shit but thts not the answer. By the time devs even get comfortable with the new hardware it's the end of the gen cycle. These 3d games are becoming more complex especially wth the open world focus.
 
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The problem is that the PS5 Pro won't change anything, apart from the 1st party and rockstar few developers will exploit it correctly, the others they have already difficulty with the vanilla PS5, so the Pro I don't know if that's really a solution.

As for the PS4 gen it was understandable but here I don't see the use.
 
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Yes, I don't agree of this notion of needing new hardware, the problem is dev cycles are longer and devs haven't been acclimated properly to the new hardware. Stronger hardware just brute forcing shit but thts not the answer.
The problem is that the PS5 Pro won't change anything, apart from the 1st party and rockstar few developers will exploit it correctly, the others they have already difficulty with the vanilla PS5, so the Pro I don't know if that's really a solution.

As for the PS4 gen it was understandable but here I don't see the use.
Exactly, when the 1080ti came out, it was touted as a 4k gpu, then 2080ti came out and it was supposed to be "4k WITH RAYTRACING!!!", and then the 3080 came out and was 30%-50% more powerful as the 2080ti and was the "TRUE 4K CARD". Now 3 years later and the 3080 is barely a 1440p card.... the issue isn't hardware, it's developers relying too much on upscaling and not actually optimizing their games.

I had the 1080ti when it came out and I could actually play AAA games at NATIVE 4K max settings 60fps... games like Witcher 3 and Arkham Knight which still look just as good if not better than many of the 2023 releases that can barely do 1440p high settings with a 3080 and DLSS Quality.
 
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Exactly, when the 1080ti came out, it was touted as a 4k gpu, then 2080ti came out and it was supposed to be "4k WITH RAYTRACING!!!", and then the 3080 came out and was 30%-50% more powerful as the 2080ti and was the "TRUE 4K CARD". Now 3 years later and the 3080 is barely a 1440p card.... the issue isn't hardware, it's developers relying too much on upscaling and not actually optimizing their games.

I had the 1080ti when it came out and I could actually play AAA games at NATIVE 4K max settings 60fps... games like Witcher 3 and Arkham Knight which still look just as good if not better than many of the 2023 releases that can barely do 1440p high settings with a 3080 and DLSS Quality.
Couldn't have said it better "not optimizing" because they are in a rush because publishers are rushing them to release and the other piece they aren't familiar enough with the hardware yet. Bro Lords of the Fallen on consoles is a travesty. At least first party devs have the added time, the ins and outs of the hardware so we usually get solid experiences with great graphics.
 
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But according to DF medium settings blow last gen high end games out of the water. It's no shame to use medium settings if they look great and high/ultra settings are future proof. Same thing happened with RDR2 and even GTAV to some degree.

I know there's some push for PS5 Pro, but we are barely entering in the 9th generation. I think PS5 and series X should last until 2030 as game dev cycles are a lot longer these days. Hell I even think ps4 was never truly maxed out. We never got to see a linear game in 720p 30 to fully punish that console and get the most out of it, most devs went for open worlds instead of the linear games of the 7th generation.
 
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3rd-party devs are already bleeding to develop to 3 different console platforms plus PC.
PS5 Pro will put another platform in the mix.

With how many issues they already have with PC, PS5, Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S... it will become worst adding PS5 Pro.

And don't come to say it is just a magic slide to drop or increase resolution/framerate.
Series X and Series S already make people face reality shock.

PS4 Pro was already heavy subutilized last gen... PS5 Pro will be worst due the even lower denominator.