AMD: Radeon 7900XTX ($999) & 7900XT($899) Announced | Available December 13th

[Deleted member 13]

Wow.

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and XT Review: Shooting for the Top

RDNA 3 dons a halo for its coming out party

www.tomshardware.com

"The RX 7900 XTX and XT sport AMD's latest and greatest RDNA 3 architecture, with impressive rasterization performance. Ray tracing remains a second class citizen, and while faster than the previous generation, AMD can't touch Nvidia's in DXR games — and that's not even counting DLSS, which continues to see widespread use."

• Chiplets don't actually improve performance (and may hurt it)

Didn't @thicc_girls_are_teh_best mention this would be a game changer for GPUs?

 

[Darth Vader]

Important information:

Non-RT

Kicking things off with our rasterization benchmark suite, AMD's new GPUs look quite good overall. Against the more expensive RTX 4080, the RX 7900 XTX trades blows, winning in five of the nine games tested and taking the overall lead. It's not a huge lead — just 3.7% — and it's good to check the individual results and focus on the games and game types that you actually play.

A 4% lead over the RTX 4080 naturally means the RTX 4090 still walks away with the performance crown for those that can afford to spend 60% more money. Meanwhile, the RX 7900 XTX delivers a 39% generational improvement over the RX 6950 XT, with a spread ranging from 22% (Forza Horizon 5) to as much as 52% (Flight Simulator and Total War: Warhammer 3). It's also 22% faster than the RTX 3090 Ti — which fell in the overall standings at 4K due to the significant drop in Forza performance.

RT

The 7900 XTX falls behind the RTX 4080 by 27%, and the 7900 XT is even further behind with a 37% deficit. Let's not even mention the RTX 4090… or maybe we should? It's nearly twice as fast as the 7900 XTX in our 4K standings, and 125% faster than the 7900 XT. And that's without DLSS (or any other form of upscaling like FSR2).

By looking at the document, the 7900 XTX it beats the 4080 in non-ray tracing environments and is just slightly slower than the 3090ti in 4k RT gaming. All of this while costing less than any of them.

Somehow providing great performance at a cheaper price point is bad. And power draw is better than any of the Nvidia cards except for the 4080. That said, the Nvidia cards are still better for professional use, way better.

There's also a matter of Drivers - They will evolve and improve performance.

Overall, decent cards.

 

[mansoor1980]

good GPUs for the price

 

[anonpuffs]

They made a ton of architecture changes so I think this kind of stuff is to be expected, but they kind of lied about performance when they put up slides showing 1.5x-1.7x of the 6950xt when in reality it's closer to 1.35-1.4x. Now it's starting to look like a bad choice vs the 4080 16gb which is already terrible value. If the performance isn't due to MCM penalty or some fundamental hardware flaw and it can be fixed in drivers then they should have delayed the product by 3-6 months to get those ironed out. Or just gone monolithic, a monolithic die would've only cost like $50 more to fab completely on 5nm instead of chiplets.

 

[Deleted member 13]

At the end of the day, RT is what next-gen is all about and the future of gaming. DLSS is also very important as GPUs aren't even powerful enough for RT done across the entire rendering pipeline. I'm not spending $1k on a card that comes in 2nd place - or running slower than a previous generation. Drivers are also very important and should be configured with every new AAA game release. I'm not saying AMD boards are bad, but they clearly need to become more competitive with new technology like RT.

 

[anonpuffs]

At the end of the day, RT is what next-gen is all about and the future of gaming. DLSS is also very important as GPUs aren't even powerful enough for RT done across the entire rendering pipeline. I'm not spending $1k on a card that comes in 2nd place - or running slower than a previous generation. Drivers are also very important and should be configured with every new AAA game release. I'm not saying AMD boards are bad, but they clearly need to become more competitive with new technology like RT.

Yup. Very disappointing after how close they got in rdna2, you would have figured they'd realize the need for competitive RT performance. At this point I wonder if they just have some sort of fundamental weakness in their architecture, it seems extremely strange that they wouldn't try to at least bolt on some dedicated RT cores instead of doubling down on putting all the RT stuff in the shader units

 

[Papacheeks]

Yup. Very disappointing after how close they got in rdna2, you would have figured they'd realize the need for competitive RT performance. At this point I wonder if they just have some sort of fundamental weakness in their architecture, it seems extremely strange that they wouldn't try to at least bolt on some dedicated RT cores instead of doubling down on putting all the RT stuff in the shader units

The mass amounts of cards sold in 2022 specifically Nvidia and RADEON CARDs would suggest Ray tracing is not as big of a selling point.

I think people just want cards that don't cost a ton.

 

[Deleted member 13]

The mass amounts of cards sold in 2022 specifically Nvidia and RADEON CARDs would suggest Ray tracing is not as big of a selling point.

We aren't talking about the sells.. moreso the development companies are moving towards. No one can deny we'll see more and more RT in games coming up.

 

[anonpuffs]

The mass amounts of cards sold in 2022 specifically Nvidia and RADEON CARDs would suggest Ray tracing is not as big of a selling point.

I think people just want cards that don't cost a ton.

What do you mean? The 3090 alone outsold the entire rdna2 lineup.

 

[Papacheeks]

What do you mean? The 3090 alone outsold the entire rdna2 lineup.

Are you talking actual gamers who bought it or just raw sales numbers? Because for almost 2 years it was hard to gauge going by steamspy how many actual people using them for gaming there were.

 

[anonpuffs]

I guess the sales numbers are inflated by mining cards but the steam hardware survey is a pretty good proxy and there isn't a single amd card in the top 20 besides the shitty igpu that comes bolted on to certain cpus.

 

[ethomaz]

So disappointment.

BTW AMD marketing was all false.
Performance is way below their “70% better than RDNA2”.
Performance per watt is worst than nVidia similar card (RTX 4080).

It is cheaper but another placeholder from AMD.

 

[ethomaz]

Are you talking actual gamers who bought it or just raw sales numbers? Because for almost 2 years it was hard to gauge going by steamspy how many actual people using them for gaming there were.

?

If it in the Steam database it is being used for games.
Mining doesn’t use Steam.

 

[Darth Vader]

So disappointment.

BTW AMD marketing was all false.
Performance is way below their “70% better than RDNA2”.
Performance per watt is worst than nVidia similar card (RTX 4080).

It is cheaper but another placeholder from AMD.

Seems like the cards have some sort of issue. Their clocks vary wildly with little change to voltage. If it's not a HW issue, which would be a blunder, it could be drivers issues (the usual). Saw a post about this yesterday online, someone measuring the card speeds, etc.

 

[thelastword]

Was there an RX 7000 series review thread? Can't seem to find it.

BTW, the media is so biased.

On Newegg, 4090's are $2900 at high and generally over $2k. The 4080 is generally at $1500 with highs of around 2k. That is insane, I remember when AMD launched RDNA 2, Hardware Unboxed calculated cost per frame based on actual retail prices vs MSRP because there was a huge markup at retail, now he isn't doing that for Nvidia.

Let's be honest, these RDNA 3 cards are damn good GPU's and the best in their product class, nobody cares about RT. Just look at how RT is destroying framerates in an old game like Witcher 3, even on the 4090. AS it stands, the 7900XTX beats the 4080 with better averages and much better one percent loads in a load of games. The XT also beats the 3090Ti. A 4090 is averaging 2500 at Newegg and the MSRP of a 3090ti was $2000, most are going for over $2000 as we speak on Newegg. Yet reviewers want to talk about AMD lied, when their products are beating the two products they are competing with at much lower prices.

There will be driver updates to the RDNA 3 cards too, we saw some issues in Forza 5, where AMD normally dominates, yet it still obliterates Nvidia with better one percent lows in that title and an overall smoother experience and that's a game where clearly there is a driver issue because RDNA 2 easily beat NV on average framerates. I think there are things AMD can improve on, especially their high idle wattage rates, but if these things are improved, it only means these cards are just going to get even better over NV than what they are currently.

As for now, the XTX beats the 4080 and the XT beats the 3090 in the majority of games. RT still belongs to NV, but RT is proving too hungry in too many recent games to matter at this point.

I don't know what stats people are watching, the XTX even beats the 4090 in a few games and these cards have insane overclocking potential.

 

[ethomaz]

Seems like the cards have some sort of issue. Their clocks vary wildly with little change to voltage. If it's not a HW issue, which would be a blunder, it could be drivers issues (the usual). Saw a post about this yesterday online, someone measuring the card speeds, etc.

It can be that.
I was surprised to see the power draw of that card after AMD talked a lot about increase in performance/watt… right now it doesn’t seems like.

 

[Darth Vader]

It can be that.
I was surprised to see the power draw of that card after AMD talked a lot about decrease in performance/watt… right now it doesn’t seems like.

Yeah. Either they are defective, which would be a MASSIVE blunder (it affects all cards) or their drivers / firmware are fucked. I hope it's the later, because the former would tank their stock so fast they wouldn't even be able to say Ryzen once in front of a mirror.

 

[Papacheeks]

Welp, I bought one.

Should be here next week.

Best deal was amazon for the XFX Merc310 7900xt black edition. $979 sign up for Amzon prime visa card get instant $150 gift card and you can use it instantly.

So i did.

Can't wait to tweak it.

 

[anonpuffs]

Welp, I bought one.

Should be here next week.

Best deal was amazon for the XFX Merc310 7900xt black edition. $979 sign up for Amzon prime visa card get instant $150 gift card and you can use it instantly.

So i did.

Can't wait to tweak it.

Well they say AMD's driver team is having to work through the holidays so hopefully they'll be able to fix the issues it has soon

 

[Papacheeks]

Well they say AMD's driver team is having to work through the holidays so hopefully they'll be able to fix the issues it has soon

That was debunked. Driver developer was on reddit and said a lot of people are taking holiday.

UPDATE: i BOUGHT MY CARD AND DIDN'T NOTICE ON AMAZON IT WAS BY A THIRD PARTY SELLER called FENNEC INC. Stay away. issues with warranty. I cancelled and reordered through amazon.