Circana: 82% of all PS5 sales are disc versions. Sony knows they're really charging 920€ / $780 for the PS5 Pro people actually want.

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Lately, those customers just dumbasses.
No wonder, suits are trying to exploit it.

Some of those customers are, but I don't think it's the majority.

I do think IconEra has a huge over-representation of people defending and even applauding Sony's new approach for unsubsidized consoles, but even those are just an incredibly loud minority even in this forum.


If you go to places like X or Youtube comments that are infinitely larger, broader and unfiltered than IconEra, you'll see that Sony is generally getting pounded pretty hard for their pricing strategy on the Pro.
 
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Some of those customers are, but I don't think it's the majority.

I do think IconEra has a huge over-representation of people defending and even applauding Sony's new approach for unsubsidized consoles, but even those are just an incredibly loud minority even in this forum.
Actually IconEra has a huge over-representation of Gloobmer and Doomer PS fans.

The overall consumer doesn't care about Sony approach.
 

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The fact that you need to buy it separately and then assemble it yourself at home is a barrier to a lot of people.

It doesn't matter how easy you and I think it is to retrieve the plates and insert the disc drive. The majority of people aren't used to do any type of upgrade on their electronics.

Not selling a pre-assembled version of the PS5 Pro with disc is going to stop people from upgrading, and even other people from buying the PS5 Pro because they don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading.
Or even worse: some people will be buying the PS5 Pro assuming it has a disc and then they'll get a bad surprise.




The restrictions have a motive, and that motive is not to "lower the cost of entrance".
The motive is one of two:
1 - push more people towards digital-only and increase their digital distribution share (a monopoly for Sony).
2 - sell a bluray drive for a whopping 120€.


None of these options is pro-consumer.

The majority of people are on digital products, phones, tablets, tv and movies etc. Unfortunately, PS and Nintendo and Xbox are some of the last mediums who use physical.

They probably have no idea how many Pro’s they are gonna sell, and its probably alot easier to have a single model to test the waters. Production is easier for sure.
With an optional disc as the majority of their customers buy digital. I hope they get some sales and then make a Pro with disc for those people.

But I understand why they done it. Many people flipped out over the pro cost, including people on here, probably yourself too?
A 799 or 749 model with a disc would of been hated on even more lol, especially by guys who dont even use a disc drive.

I wouldnt be surprised there would of been a narrative that PS5 Pro is forcing people to pay for a disc drive that majority of people dont use. “PC doesnt do that, get a PC instead” lol
 
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I don't discuss conspiracy theories assumptions...

I discuss facts.

Since PS4 days digital is growing at fast rate every year... this year (2024) was the first which it slow down because it near 80% and not everybody likes digital but most do.
Growing faster because physical is restricted. If I had a choice between chicken and beef and beef was constantly not available I would eat more chicken, that's not by choice or because chicken is more popular.
Physical stores are dying because most consumers doesn't buy physically anymore... not because it become more difficult to buy physical games.
The consumer move to digital happened before physical games become hard to buy.
Options being restricted is a result of most consumers buying digital.
Fewer stores and outlets sell physical games. How is that not harder to get ahold of?
Nobody will invest in something that consumers doesn't want.
If there is enough demand from the consumers physical games should be easy to buy yet.
You say this, yet customers refused, en masse, to adopt digital by choice, going back a decade or more. Companies are forcing
That is the law of supply and demand way before Christ.
Why people wants to complicate with conspiracy theories is out of my mind.
Conspiracy theory 😂 😂 get a grip.
 

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The overall consumer doesn't care about Sony approach.
*Checks sales figures*

internet seriously GIF
 
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Growing faster because physical is restricted. If I had a choice between chicken and beef and beef was constantly not available I would eat more chicken, that's not by choice or because chicken is more popular.

Fewer stores and outlets sell physical games. How is that not harder to get ahold of?

You say this, yet customers refused, en masse, to adopt digital by choice, going back a decade or more. Companies are forcing

Conspiracy theory 😂 😂 get a grip.
It was never forced.
You had options.

Most choose digital… all data shows that.
Digital increased even when all stores in every place had big physical game stands.

The stores are like it today because consumers choose to move to digital.

Nobody ever forced me to buy digital… I moved to digital due all the conveniences in 2013.
 

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I have been digital since half way through the PS3/360 era. I actually only have one physical game, it's the Alan Wake collectors edition with book. So for me, I am glad I don't have to pay extra for a drive I won't use.
 
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Nyo surprised! They went hard with the disc edition for the first 3 years of the generation. I have the disc version and I've never used the disc drive lol.
 
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The majority of people are on digital products, phones, tablets, tv and movies etc. Unfortunately, PS and Nintendo and Xbox are some of the last mediums who use physical.

All those plus PC gaming have an alternative for digital media ownership and preservation, at the very least in the form of piracy. The consoles don't have that alternative.
If you're a naughty boy in a gamechat of Helldivers, you can lose access to your complete library of digital games. And as the EULA states, Sony can at any time for a bunch of vague reasons take away your ability to access your previously purchased games on PSN.

Also, the PC allows for several different digital distributors to sell you games, and for some games there are even DRM-less alternatives. On Playstation you get one store and that's it. Sony has an absolute monopoly on digital distribution for the Playstation.

It could be that the Epic vs. Apple trial establishes precedence for Sony to be forced to open their store to other distributors, but so far there's no sign of that yet.



With an optional disc as the majority of their customers buy digital.
82% of their customers bought the disc version, so the majority of their customers buy the disc version.


The mistake you're making here is you're not calculating the statistics. You're saying if for one game the majority of sales are digital, then the majority of people with a PS5 only buy digital, and this is not true.

If a person buys a disc PS5 and then buys 7 digital games + 3 physical games, then they bought discs. And they'll obviously want a mid-gen console upgrade that plays the games they already bought.


Even if any person with a disc PS5 has 80% chances of buying any of their games in digital form, after buying 10 games that person had (0.8)^10 chances of never buying a physical game, That's below 11% chances of never buying a physical game. So in that case, 9 out of 10 people will have bought at least one physical disc.
 

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All those plus PC gaming have an alternative for digital media ownership and preservation, at the very least in the form of piracy. The consoles don't have that alternative.

What alternatives do they have? I wouldnt know. If you get banned on Ios or steam you can do use that software online with them?

Good thing about any of those stats and buying 7 digital games + 3 physical etc etc, if worried about it, they can buy a disc drive. So not much to worry about.

Maybe Sony will release another pro with a disc once thy know demand.
Releasing 1 sku just makes it easier and cheaper for them.

TBH I couldnt care less, I have my console and I have my optional disc drive to use when I want. Im glad Im not paying more than £699. Getting a 2nd hand/used disc drive in the future will save everyone money lol
 
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What alternatives do they have? I wouldnt know. If you get banned on Ios or steam you can do use that software online with them?
On Steam you can access your games even if you're banned from the platform for using e.g. credit card chargeback (which on PSN leads to an instant lifetime ban of the account and lose access to all your games).
 
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On Steam you can access your games even if you're banned from the platform for using e.g. credit card chargeback (which on PSN leads to an instant lifetime ban of the account and lose access to all your games).
Yes but then you're stuck playing games on PC which is worse than not being able to play them at all
 

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I was wondering, the disc attachment is the same as the new ps5 model right?

If you have a ps5 base model with disc attachment couldn't you sell the that model on eBay as a digital version?

And keep the disc attachment?

The only issue would be the plates?
Not 100% sure but I understand that yes, PS5 Slim and PS5 Pro use the same disc drive. Meaning, if you upgrade from Slim to Pro you'd be able to reuse the disc drive and sell the Slim as a disc drive version (if you get a plate for it and if the other person doesn't care about the box).

This would be the logical choice because helps them to reduce costs.

I have a Slim with disc drive but now I don't remember if it had the plate in the box, in case you wanted to remove the disc drive for some reason.

Edit: if they are compatible, pretty likely you'd be able to use the Slim plate of the Pro in the Slim.
 
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These percentages mean nothing. First, Sony has barely sold the digital edition (especially the original launch model) and second, doesn't matter if the consumer buys the disc edition because they can still be all digital game wise or very close to it.
 
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These percentages mean nothing. First, Sony has barely sold the digital edition (especially the original launch model) and second, doesn't matter if the consumer buys the disc edition because they can still be all digital game wise or very close to it.
The numbers are buses because until 2023 less than 10% of the production was the digital model.

Just look at the 2024 US data… 40% is digital model. And that because Sony still ship less digital than disk one.

If they shipped enough digital model probably it should be selling more than disk model.

Price is king.