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[Killer_Sakoman]

The fact is even the original owner of fox engine konami abandon fox engine and go with unreal engine for mgs 3 remake

Very bad. The engine is very good already.

 

[Kokoloko]

So no 60fps?
I wanted to play this right away,but it seems like Ill have to wait till PS5 Pro

 

[mibu no ookami]

They have no other narratives left currently. It's been absolutely dire on the other side. We've never had a generation where one side stopped showing up (well, maybe Philips CD-i).
The playbook of this gen for xbox is
1 show no gameplay during shows
2 delay the game atleast once
3. announce they'll release with only 30 fps mode
4. release and nobody ever speaks of those games anymore. Zero sticking power.

Let's do a game to check the severity of this gen failing:
We've reached the midpoint of the gen, so name atleast 3 console exclusives that defined the Series console so far.

Then try it for the Xbox One, and you'll be able to name 3 games. Then check the release dates of those games and you'll find out they released before the midway point and closer to launch.

DF has been at the forefront of those narratives.
Since the announcement of PS5 Pro, they are releasing video after video about the Pro.

DF a few years ago used to be much more professional and happy. All their narratives turn out to be false. DF's narrative on 30fps would become common, just to reduce the 30fps

We had the narrative that PS5 Pro would be CPU limited, only 10% they said. And then the first game they test that they always call CPU-bound, Dragon's Dogma 2, had a significant performance boost. Granted not yet stable 60fps, but with base consoles hovering around 30 fps, it's a huge improvement.


They love coming up with stupid narratives, and if you push back, they label you the console warrior. But it has been highly entertaining, certainly because the longevity of those narratives have been reduced from years to now months.

Here are the people angry about the PS5 Pro and why they are angry

PS5 owners who can't afford it	They don't want to be 2nd class citizens
PS5 owners who can afford it but don't want to spend so much money, but will	Maybe they can barely afford it, but they'll jump on the bandwagon of hate, because they thought it would come out for 500 or 600, I'm including in this category people who are angry it doesn't come with a disc drive even though you can buy it separately
Xbox gamers who don't have a mid gen refresh available	It's a major blow for Xbox to get left out of the conversation
PC gamers who spent way more to get similar performance	There are people who would have spent nearly 2000 dollars just a couple of years ago that are going to have similar performance to the ps5 pro, their personal rig might outperform the PS5 Pro but it came at more than double the cost
PC gamers who spent way more to get significantly less performance	There are people who will have spent around 1000-1500 dollars that will get worse performance than the ps5 pro, they'll continue to push the narrative of PCMR even though PS5 Pro out performs their personal rig
Nintendo fans who like to take pot shots	There are still Nintendo fans that are salty that their system isn't a core console and they largely blame Sony for this

At the end of the day you have a lot of people in gaming circles who are actively and openly against the PS5 Pro.

But if Sony sells between 10 and 20 million units of this, it's going to be a success...

 

[quest4441]

So no 60fps?
I wanted to play this right away,but it seems like Ill have to wait till PS5 Pro

It does hit 60 fps but in heavy places it drops to the 40's but yeah for the best experience its better to w8 for the pro

 

[rofif]

Here are the people angry about the PS5 Pro and why they are angry

PS5 owners who can't afford it	They don't want to be 2nd class citizens
PS5 owners who can afford it but don't want to spend so much money, but will	Maybe they can barely afford it, but they'll jump on the bandwagon of hate, because they thought it would come out for 500 or 600, I'm including in this category people who are angry it doesn't come with a disc drive even though you can buy it separately
Xbox gamers who don't have a mid gen refresh available	It's a major blow for Xbox to get left out of the conversation
PC gamers who spent way more to get similar performance	There are people who would have spent nearly 2000 dollars just a couple of years ago that are going to have similar performance to the ps5 pro, their personal rig might outperform the PS5 Pro but it came at more than double the cost
PC gamers who spent way more to get significantly less performance	There are people who will have spent around 1000-1500 dollars that will get worse performance than the ps5 pro, they'll continue to push the narrative of PCMR even though PS5 Pro out performs their personal rig
Nintendo fans who like to take pot shots	There are still Nintendo fans that are salty that their system isn't a core console and they largely blame Sony for this

At the end of the day you have a lot of people in gaming circles who are actively and openly against the PS5 Pro.

But if Sony sells between 10 and 20 million units of this, it's going to be a success...

in short

 

[akira__]

Here are the people angry about the PS5 Pro and why they are angry

PS5 owners who can't afford it	They don't want to be 2nd class citizens
PS5 owners who can afford it but don't want to spend so much money, but will	Maybe they can barely afford it, but they'll jump on the bandwagon of hate, because they thought it would come out for 500 or 600, I'm including in this category people who are angry it doesn't come with a disc drive even though you can buy it separately
Xbox gamers who don't have a mid gen refresh available	It's a major blow for Xbox to get left out of the conversation
PC gamers who spent way more to get similar performance	There are people who would have spent nearly 2000 dollars just a couple of years ago that are going to have similar performance to the ps5 pro, their personal rig might outperform the PS5 Pro but it came at more than double the cost
PC gamers who spent way more to get significantly less performance	There are people who will have spent around 1000-1500 dollars that will get worse performance than the ps5 pro, they'll continue to push the narrative of PCMR even though PS5 Pro out performs their personal rig
Nintendo fans who like to take pot shots	There are still Nintendo fans that are salty that their system isn't a core console and they largely blame Sony for this

At the end of the day you have a lot of people in gaming circles who are actively and openly against the PS5 Pro.

But if Sony sells between 10 and 20 million units of this, it's going to be a success...

Great breakdown. For me personally, the price is high. But at the same time, I'd rather have the vision that Mark Cerny had than a compromise.

There have been some games, especially this year, whose performance has been lacking enough to skip them in their current state. Such as Rise of Ronin, FF7 Rebirth, and Dragon's Dogma 2.

Weirdly enough, the best sellers of the PS5 Pro have been DF, even though Oliver is clearly conflicted and still has some unbelievably weird takes throughout his FF7 Rebirth analysis. But his comparison showed an enormous improvement: better image quality than the graphical mode for base PS5, and with 60 fps. During the video, he did sometimes go off on random tangents that are clearly not true, such as claiming that PS5 Pro has issues with image instability when your eyes can easily confirm that image stability had been improved compared to the ps5 base version

But okay, DF has for the last few weeks daily PS5 Pro content, and while they still try their weird negative angles, they did faced up the fact that PS5 Pro is a significant upgrade, much bigger than the PS4 Pro.

For FF7 Rebirth, the difference between PS5 and PS5 Pro is bigger than PS4 to PS5. The PS4 and PS4 Pro still looked in the same ballpark. See below.

When the gen ends, PS5 Pro will sell more than the Series X.

 

[mibu no ookami]

But okay, DF has for the last few weeks daily PS5 Pro content, and while they still try their weird negative angles, they did faced up the fact that PS5 Pro is a significant upgrade, much bigger than the PS4 Pro.

They're balancing things out.

They know they're going to farm content for the PS5 Pro for months and it'll be the centerpiece of the comparisons moving forward.

But they also know that a significant percentage of their viewers are xbox and PC fans and they don't want to rile them up.

They'll continue to shit on sony but the numbers are going to speak for themselves with or without their snark.

 

[akira__]

They're balancing things out.

They know they're going to farm content for the PS5 Pro for months and it'll be the centerpiece of the comparisons moving forward.

But they also know that a significant percentage of their viewers are xbox and PC fans and they don't want to rile them up.

They'll continue to shit on sony but the numbers are going to speak for themselves with or without their snark.

They'll have to juggle reality and their audience.

DF has great content, but they like to blur that they are media and they are not technical.


Today they released video that was wild.

Around 8 minute mark it went straight into fantasy land with Oliver alluding:

1. Knowing more than Capcom about optimizing and configuring games.
2. Pure hopium fantasy where Capcom will incorrectly configure the Pro version that will then be compromised and inferior to the base consoles, and then bam, Xbox still on top.

"No tears, only dreams now"

 

[mibu no ookami]

They'll have to juggle reality and their audience.

DF has great content, but they are media and they often seem to forget that they are not technical. And they don't make games.

Around 8 minute mark it went straight into fantasy land with Oliver alluding:

1. Knowing more than Capcom about optimizing and configuring games.
2. Pure hopium fantasy where Capcom will incorrectly configure the Pro version that will then be compromised and inferior to the base consoles, and then bam, Xbox still on top.

"No tears, only dreams now"

"Those who can, do. Those who can't, criticize"