If it is a 10 year generation, how many PS5's should they be able to sell?

[Kokoloko]

Damn 10 years would be weird. Others would probably release stronger tech by 2028
They would need to have a major price cut for PS5 and PS5 Pro by 2027,/2028 like 40-50% lol.

Also depends on games and exclusives etc.
GTA6 if it releases next year, will be huge and be big counter to what Nintendo releases. Unlike the Switch, there wouldnt be a bigger and bigger gap for Nintendo.
They would also need to up there 1st party output to the likes of PS3, if they dont want to release a PS6 till 2030

 

[Kokoloko]

My worry is places like Japan and Europe, where PlayStation seems unwilling or unable to make even price concessions.

This is on top of not having nearly enough real exclusives to justify a premium price.

It makes so little sense to me.

I know alot of people wont take this seriously but Japanese people get offended by this kind of stuff. Like price increases lol
Small circles even got pissed PS moved its business to US from Japan during PS4

 

[peter42O]

Depends on the price. If Sony releases PlayStation 6 in November 2028 for let's say $800 and the PlayStation 5 is still $500, I would think that those who would want to buy a PlayStation 5 would just go with PlayStation 6 because it would be backwards compatible so why buy the older console? If it's still $500 in four years from now, I will say that it will be under 120m. If they get a good price cut or two, perhaps they can reach 130m. One thing is certain, they're not going to even get close to Switch numbers unless they cut the price to $300 and Sony isn't doing that any time soon if ever.

 

[peter42O]

My worry is places like Japan and Europe, where PlayStation seems unwilling or unable to make even price concessions.

This is on top of not having nearly enough real exclusives to justify a premium price.

It makes so little sense to me.

As you and many others love pointing out, Xbox is dead so with their high end competition non-existent, why would Sony make price concessions when they don't have to? As for the exclusives part, both PlayStation and Xbox ARE third party consoles. Games going to PC isn't going to change anything and even if it does, it would be minimal.

As for Japan itself, it's a mobile/handheld territory. Consoles don't sell shit there and that includes PlayStation which has declined every generation since PlayStation One. Nintendo dominates Japan to an extent but it's because their console is a hybrid and even as a console, it's so damn small that people could just take it with them if they really wanted to.

Sony won't do anything in Japan until they release their PlayStation Portal/Portable handheld which I believe will launch alongside PlayStation 6 because both Microsoft and Sony have taken notes on Nintendo's success the last almost eight years and while neither will do a hybrid as it wouldn't work for either of them, a handheld/portable that can download games and stream them will be huge for both companies and is the only way Nintendo loses any market share in that region.

 

[voke]

Why do people think people think since Xbox has failed Sony will make PS unbelievably expensive. PS consoles are mass market devices, they know that better than anyone else and will continue to price is in the range of a mass market device. It's sold at damn near the cost to manufacture because of this as well, they want as many out in the open as possible and make money through means of the system.

That plan isn't going anywhere, but you are seeing flexibility on Pro consoles where you sell at a profit to the hardcore consumers, an audience Microsoft gave up in exchange for the cheap market (series S, gamepass)

Wonder how the Xbox folks will spin this in two years when MS drops hardware that's damn near 4 figures. Will that be because of "lack of competition" as well? Or can we face reality and realize that tech in this space is getting more expensive and that these companies are paying top shelf to get this technology in their devices.

 

[Boswollox]

Why do people think people think since Xbox has failed Sony will make PS unbelievably expensive.

Because they have.

PS consoles are mass market devices, they know that better than anyone else and will continue to price is in the range of a mass market device.

Looking at the sales shows it's diminishing as a mass market device.

It's sold at damn near the cost to manufacture because of this as well,

It isn't and hasn't since launch, ignoring the price hikes. It was making $30 per unit which is healthy return on day one for a console.

they want as many out in the open as possible and make money through means of the system.

If they wanted as many as possible out in the wild, they would lower the price

That plan isn't going anywhere, but you are seeing flexibility on Pro consoles where you sell at a profit to the hardcore consumers, an audience Microsoft gave up in exchange for the cheap market (series S, gamepass)

They didn't give up the hardcore market, it gave up Microsoft. And their console wasn't cheap.

Wonder how the Xbox folks will spin this in two years when MS drops hardware that's damn near 4 figures.

How will Sony fans explain it away when the PS6 is $999

Will that be because of "lack of competition" as well? Or can we face reality and realize that tech in this space is getting more expensive and that these companies are paying top shelf to get this technology in their devices.

Why do customers have to fund expensive technology? Companies could make affordable hardware that doesn't play 4k raw. Why should customers be forced into paying for top shelf when they're happy with the middle ground?
That's something both Sony and Microsoft need to understand, and quickly.

If anything, Microsoft have a better chance of lucking into an affordable console that sells well because they don't have the capital to make an expensive console.

 

[KvallyX]

where PlayStation seems unwilling or unable to make even price concessions.

Maybe the hardware is just too expensive, and they would take too much of a loss? (I am just guessing here, I have no clue)

 

[voke]

Because they have.

Looking at the sales shows it's diminishing as a mass market device.

It isn't and hasn't since launch, ignoring the price hikes. It was making $30 per unit which is healthy return on day one for a console.

If they wanted as many as possible out in the wild, they would lower the price

They didn't give up the hardcore market, it gave up Microsoft. And their console wasn't cheap.


How will Sony fans explain it away when the PS6 is $999

Why do customers have to fund expensive technology? Companies could make affordable hardware that doesn't play 4k raw. Why should customers be forced into paying for top shelf when they're happy with the middle ground?
That's something both Sony and Microsoft need to understand, and quickly.

If anything, Microsoft have a better chance of lucking into an affordable console that sells well because they don't have the capital to make an expensive console.

It's tracking within 5% of PS4 while being $100-300 more expensive, I wouldn't say that is diminishing.

$30 profit margin for a $500 console is an incredibly tight margin.

being $999 is a very hot take. It'll be $699 maximum. Leaks around future Xbox hardware is to not sell at a loss anymore, meaning the 2026 console will be price anywhere from $800-1000. PlayStation is not in the same situation as Xbox, it is selling at 5x the rate.

Customers have to fund expensive technology because companies want to make money.... no shit. If you wanna be a cheap, there are ways to play games under those means yourself. Nobody is forcing you to buy any of this stuff, it's not food and shelter, its a video game console lmfao. If you get priced out it is what it is.

 

[Boswollox]

It's tracking within 5% of PS4 while being $100-300 more expensive, I wouldn't say that is diminishing.

Within 5% is a hell of a change from September when it was tracking "launch aligned". Literally the definition of diminishing.

$30 profit margin for a $500 console is an incredibly tight margin.

Not compared to historical sales of consoles it isn't.

being $999 is a very hot take. It'll be $699 maximum. Leaks around future Xbox hardware is to not sell at a loss anymore, meaning the 2026 console will be price anywhere from $800-1000. PlayStation is not in the same situation as Xbox, it is selling at 5x the rate.

You assume the Xbox will sell high end hardware expensive as to not take a loss, ignoring the cost of manufacturing and distribution. If Microsoft can't afford a loss, they will follow the Nintendo strategy; affordable, cost-effective hardware that doesn't break boundaries. I've said time and again, the first company to launch a 1080p console for £199 wins the next generation.

Customers have to fund expensive technology because companies want to make money.... no shit. If you wanna be a cheap, there are ways to play games under those means yourself.

Nobody is forcing you to buy any of this stuff, it's not food and shelter, its a video game console lmfao.

Take those two statements and reread them, carefully. Microsoft pulled the "if you can't afford buy a 360". How well did that go down?
"If you don't want it, don't buy it" isn't a good sales slogan.

f you get priced out it is what it is.J my

"Just work two jobs" - Sony. How well did that work out?

You can feel smug about owning an expensive price of tech, just like apple fans, it doesn't mean the $3500 cope-device stuck to your face is good, popular or worth the price.

 

[voke]

Within 5% is a hell of a change from September when it was tracking "launch aligned". Literally the definition of diminishing.

Not compared to historical sales of consoles it isn't.

You assume the Xbox will sell high end hardware expensive as to not take a loss, ignoring the cost of manufacturing and distribution. If Microsoft can't afford a loss, they will follow the Nintendo strategy; affordable, cost-effective hardware that doesn't break boundaries. I've said time and again, the first company to launch a 1080p console for £199 wins the next generation.

I'm not really worried about whether sales are higher or lower. I am a fan of PS and their games, not one to care about their popularity or sales.

What I said about Xbox is regarding the OEM consoles that were rumored. If that's the path they choose, they will indeed be significantly more expensive that what we see with Series consoles, whether it's true or not remains to be seen.

a $199 console sounds like a downgrade to what we get and I have 0 interest in that. I'm under the camp that like to see tech grow and a $199 box would hold a lot of that back. Moves like that would actually encourage me to switch platforms. I value gaming tremendously and admittedly am willing to put more money into it that many. I like the fact that Sony base for tech is around $400... I am not a fan of cheap alts like series S and Switch lite that stagnate this industry.

Take those two statements and reread them, carefully. Microsoft pulled the "if you can't afford buy a 360". How well did that go down?
"If you don't want it, don't buy it" isn't a good sales slogan.


"Just work two jobs" - Sony. How well did that work out?

You can feel smug about owning an expensive price of tech, just like apple fans, it doesn't mean the $3500 cope-device stuck to your face is good, popular or worth the price.

Well, thankfully I am not a salesmen, but rather a customer. Their is no smugness. I am someone who deeply enjoys games, not the Sony succession police
However expensive these items are, someone bought it because they see value in it themselves, who am I to argue against that? Call it a cope device all you want... you more so just come off as a lame.....hating for no reason. Some people don't buy devices based on whether other think it's good, popular, or worth it to the general audience. I bought an Audi over a Toyota, Why? Because I like the nice shit and can afford to do so. It's not rocket science.