Intel lost bid for the PS6 (Reuters)

[Dabaus]

MLID said on Friday that Microsoft was trying to bid intel against AMD and settled again with AMD but are like 2 years behind PS6 now.

32 Minutes in he talks about what hes heard in regards to Xbox.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

MLID said on Friday that Microsoft was trying to bid intel against AMD and settled again with AMD but are like 2 years behind PS6 now.

32 Minutes in he talks about what hes heard in regards to Xbox.

Being 2 years behind the PS6 in development wouldn't mean it's coming out 2 years after the PS6, but it would mean the SDK and all the software tools will be a lot less developed so all the games releasing within the first couple years could perform worse.

Which is exactly what we saw with PS5 vs Series X, so this is definitely a mistake I could see Microsoft repeating 3 years from now.

 

[Entropi]

Being 2 years behind the PS6 in development wouldn't mean it's coming out 2 years after the PS6, but it would mean the SDK and all the software tools will be a lot less developed so all the games releasing within the first couple years could perform worse.

Which is exactly what we saw with PS5 vs Series X, so this is definitely a mistake I could see Microsoft repeating 3 years from now.

Lisa loves giving Sony’s work to MS. I see that happening again. No R&D needed, let Sony do the hard work and wait at the finish line. (I’m not being serious)

 

[Bryank75]

Intel just can't win these days... Damn.

 

[KvallyX]

Xbox would be a bit more elastic on that front, given the fact that everything runs under a virtual machine.

Since I know nothing about tech, are you saying that the GPU has no bearing on BC, because the BC is run virtual?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Since I know nothing about tech, are you saying that the GPU has no bearing on BC, because the BC is run virtual?

GPU definitely has bearing on BC, but since the games run on a virtual machine then as long as the instructions are compliant then it should run the code.
It should make it easier for cross-vendor GPUs to be able to run the games.

 

[Papacheeks]

If MS wants to maintain its hot streak of making bad decisions, it will probably hire Intel.

Broadcom Qualcomm would be a much better choice, though.

I agree right now, snap dragon/Arm would be the better way forward. I think with snap dragon I feel that would be the better option. BUT AMD's APU designs are way beyond intel, and snap dragon is meant for cell phones right now with no indication of large scale for desktop computing.

 

[Entropi]

I agree right now, snap dragon/Arm would be the better way forward. I think with snap dragon I feel that would be the better option. BUT AMD's APU designs are way beyond intel, and snap dragon is meant for cell phones right now with no indication of large scale for desktop computing.

Since the Surface team took over Xbox hardware, and the new laptops are using Qualcomm’s ARM chips, I guess ARM makes sense for the next..er.. Console, or handheld, or streaming device or whatever Xbox wants to make next.

 

[Papacheeks]

Since the Surface team took over Xbox hardware, and the new laptops are using Qualcomm’s ARM chips, I guess ARM makes sense for the next..er.. Console, or handheld, or streaming device or whatever Xbox wants to make next.

Problem is according to reviews internally ARM version of windows 11 is not ready for prime time?

I just dont see the tools getting to where they need to be in time:

Analyst: Windows on Arm is not ready for the complexities of the PC gaming landscape

While a move to Arm promises users with lighter and more efficient PC hardware, the state of PC gaming on Arm has a lot of catching up to do as the developer ecosystem remains in infancy.

www.gamedeveloper.com

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I agree right now, snap dragon/Arm would be the better way forward. I think with snap dragon I feel that would be the better option. BUT AMD's APU designs are way beyond intel, and snap dragon is meant for cell phones right now with no indication of large scale for desktop computing.

It's getting there with 4.6 TF etc.

 

[YeezyDude]

Apparently, margins blocked the deal. I’m surprised Sony even entertained Intel, with the company being so ass lately, but that's how bids work, of course.

“A dispute over how much profit Intel stood to take from each chip sold to the Japanese electronics giant blocked Intel from settling on the price with Sony, according to two of the sources. Instead, rival AMD landed the contract through a competitive bidding process that eliminated others such as Broadcom (AVGO.O), opens new tab, until only Intel and AMD remained.”

https://www.reuters.com/technology/how-intel-lost-sony-playstation-business-2024-09-16/

I didn't know that Sony even considered doing this since their relationship with AMD is very good... So I guess it's good that they picked AMD again!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I didn't know that Sony even considered doing this since their relationship with AMD is very good... So I guess it's good that they picked AMD again!

I personally think Sony should seriously consider making their own chips. All of them are getting it from TSMC and Samsung etc, so why not just build yours without the middleman?

 

[YeezyDude]

I personally think Sony should seriously consider making their own chips. All of them are getting it from TSMC and Samsung etc, so why not just build yours without the middleman?

Well I don't mind them making their own CPU, GPU, NVME M.2 SSD etc. as long as it makes sense and all of the PS4, PS5 etc. games can still be played on that console that might only have Sony hardware etc. inside of it... But dunno if that might ever happen... But I am happy with what's inside of Sony's consoles so far... So it's alright if you ask me tbh!

 

[Papacheeks]

It's getting there with 4.6 TF etc.

Thats all on paper, and theoretical/computational terflops is not the same as realtime software performance. Currently they run like shit on Windows 11. Which might be more of a software issue. But for these to work, MS would need either a new API or overhaul DX for specifically gaming hardware.

 

[quest4441]

I personally think Sony should seriously consider making their own chips. All of them are getting it from TSMC and Samsung etc, so why not just build yours without the middleman?

Well didn't the disaster of ps3 happen because they went with a proprietary chip - the cell processor. If they have to build their own chips then they need to license x86 otherwise BC will be a big headache

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well didn't the disaster of ps3 happen because they went with a proprietary chip - the cell processor. If they have to build their own chips then they need to license x86 otherwise BC will be a big headache

Interesting:

Intel makes a big move! Plans to open x86 license to attract chip design companies to turn to it for contract manufacturing​

Intel makes a big move! Plans to open x86 license to attract chip design companies to turn to it for contract manufacturing | Shanghai Non ferrous Metals

news.metal.com

 

[YeezyDude]

Interesting:

Intel makes a big move! Plans to open x86 license to attract chip design companies to turn to it for contract manufacturing​

Intel makes a big move! Plans to open x86 license to attract chip design companies to turn to it for contract manufacturing | Shanghai Non ferrous Metals

news.metal.com

Hmm interesting indeed... I guess we'll see what happens when the PS7 is out as I think it'll be AMD both for the PS6 and PS6 Pro. But I do only think this is a good thing if it doesn't ruin the whole BC thing.