Its almost been 4 years since Ghost of Tsushima and Last of Us Part 2 released

arvfab

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ND have gone to shit since and because of TLoU2. Druckman should have been fired from ND for what he did to the series, then fired out of a cannon for how much smug he has polluted the world with.

Yeah sure, it's because of the best game of the past generation that they have gone shit, and not because of the GaaS and PC focus.... Sure sure...
 
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Evilnemesis8

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And nost Sales these days are digital, the stats back it up.

Do they?

Here's the leaked image dated early Feb 2022 from the Insomniac leak:



Of course long tail sales for games will increase digital adoption over time.
But in almost the first two years(June 2020 release date) TLoU 2's digital adoption rate was 39%.
 

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Ackshually, the time to triangle was the highest during the PS3, which was the most complicated to make games for due to the Cell split ram.

You're coping over TLoU2 sales. People won't play the game knowing what happens on the story. Sony have more chance of selling TLoU 1 and factions games (which should have never been cancelled).

Time to triangle isn't the only aspect in which determines how long a game takes to develop.

I'm not going to get into it with you on the content of TLOU2, you've kind of outed yourself on that, but to say it wasn't profitable and extremely profitable is laughable.
 
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ND is a studio of the past, till Neil leaves the stuiod they won't flourish
There was definitely a decline in writing quality from TLOU1 TO 2.

Story in two depended too much on huge coincidence, contrivances and obvious attempts to manipulate the player. Characters were far less organic and shoehorned into situations and killed off in ways that made little sense.

I don't know how the writing suffered so much.
 

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Yeah sure, it's because of the best game of the past generation that they have gone shit, and not because of the GaaS and PC focus.... Sure sure...


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Sony have gone to shit for their GaaS and PC focus, without doubt. But what does that have to do with ND not making games when guerilla, housemarque and insomniac can?
Time to triangle isn't the only aspect in which determines how long a game takes to develop.
It's not. However, if it took the longest on PS3, the rest of the equation of (x variable + time to triangle + Y variable = dev time) the X and Y must be incredibly long to make the dev time for the PS5 considerably longer than the PS3. But then you consider larger dev teams and bigger budgets and one must wonder what the funk takes so long to make a game.

I'm not going to get into it with you on the content of TLOU2, you've kind of outed yourself on that
Outed myself on what? If you're trying to play the woke card, you can kindly go fornicate yourself with an iron rod. The problem with TLoU2 was pissing on the characters for shock value, a direct result of druckman being too high on his own supply of farts.


, but to say it wasn't profitable and extremely profitable is laughable.
I never said either. TLoU2 is tainted so badly it retroactively fucked the franchise. It pulled a GoT season 8.
 

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You can take a look at the insomniac leak for Sony Sales, TLOU wasn't a top selling game

So i don't know why you are spreading blatant lies...

The gane cost $200 million to make, it only made a small profit of 40 million

Wrong. TLOU P2 has some of the best legs out of all PS titles now. It sold the most digital units in that period only behind Ragnorak which was a new release.

TLOU P2 sales should be 16M+ now. Remember that table is just digital units, does not include physical.

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TLOU in 1.5 years already grossed $441M, it should be near $600M now

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Wrong. TLOU P2 has some of the best legs out of all PS titles now. It sold the most digital units in that period only behind Ragnorak which was a new release.

TLOU P2 sales should be 16M+ now. Remember that table is just digital units, does not include physical.

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TLOU in 1.5 years already grossed $441M, it should be near $600M now

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So Ragnorak in 0.5 months has already almost outsold TLOU which had been out for 3 years aa if this post. Not exactly a flex
 

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Till Cuckmann is there making games Naughty Dog will continue to decline, Thank God TLoU got a tv series now this mediocre guy can sooner fuck off to hollyweird. After he leaves maybe we can get back to games having more gameplay and less 10-20 hrs of cutscenes
 
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Couldn’t give a shit about what Naughty Dog does but definitely day one for Sucker Punch’s next game whatever it is.
 
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No chance we see Naughty Dog. They wasted years on faction, nothing from them until 2027. GoT2 I'll guess 2026.
 
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We still using the Pandemic as an excuse? This Pandemic didn't seem to have an effect on Insomniacs output so what's Naughty Dogs Excuse?
You would get laughed at if you walked into any type of development office with this mentality. You can't just say "WORK FASTER LIKE INSOMNIAC!!!!!!" I really wish people like you realized these are actual people who work on games, not robots. Tight deadline is a quick way to get your creative team to go find a better partner. They'll work at the pace they need to work at. Also, ND is the type of dev that does things at 2x the quality of anyone else, it takes time and patience.

The only game you'll be able compare to NDs next game, will be GTAVI. Like it or not, cooking something like that will take time, lots of it.
 
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You would get laughed at if you walked into any type of development office with this mentality. You can't just say "WORK FASTER LIKE INSOMNIAC!!!!!!" I really wish people like you realized these are actual people who work on games, not robots. Tight deadline is a quick way to get your creative team to go find a better partner. They'll work at the pace they need to work at. Also, ND is the type of dev that does things at 2x the quality of anyone else, it takes time and patience.

The only game you'll be able compare to NDs next game, will be GTAVI. Like it or not, cooking something like that will take time, lots of it.
he didn't mean like that. it is okey won't be as fast like insomniac. but it is not okey make an excuse that it is because of pandemic.
 

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You would get laughed at if you walked into any type of development office with this mentality. You can't just say "WORK FASTER LIKE INSOMNIAC!!!!!!" I really wish people like you realized these are actual people who work on games, not robots. Tight deadline is a quick way to get your creative team to go find a better partner. They'll work at the pace they need to work at. Also, ND is the type of dev that does things at 2x the quality of anyone else, it takes time and patience.

The only game you'll be able compare to NDs next game, will be GTAVI. Like it or not, cooking something like that will take time, lots of it.
The point is ND wastes time on pointless faff in the game, no one wants realistic blood splatter and hours and hours of cutscenes. They can absolutely focus more on gameplay and add more gameplay sections. Uncharted succeeded because of Hennig now we are stuck with cuckmann and his bs
 

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The point is ND wastes time on pointless faff in the game, no one wants realistic blood splatter and hours and hours of cutscenes. They can absolutely focus more on gameplay and add more gameplay sections. Uncharted succeeded because of Hennig now we are stuck with cuckmann and his bs
You just clearly love having a hate boner. Hennig was booted off Uncharted after 3. You are saying the company is doomed because an employee who left well over a decade ago? Uncharted 4 was great under druckman, And TLOU2 also a wonderful game.

Some of you just love being haters lmao, couldn't be me.
 

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Until Naughty Dog ACTUALLY show something and release it, JAHGamer is 100% right.

It's almost 5 years now and Naughty Dog still haven't shown off any new games and no the 69 Last Of Us remakes don't count as new games.




We still using the Pandemic as an excuse? This Pandemic didn't seem to have an effect on Insomniacs output so what's Naughty Dogs Excuse?




You can take a look at the insomniac leak for Sony Sales, TLOU wasn't a top selling game


So i don't know why you are spreading blatant lies...

The gane cost $200 million to make, it only made a small profit of 40 million

That's about 39% of it's total sales of the PS4 SKU. It's tracking at 61% of sales being physical.

That makes it the second most successful PS4 game in history only behind Spiderman which of course would sell better but has royalties and licencing fees that eat into its profits to contend with.

And none of that includes the PS5 SKU that is out now. It's literally a major success.

Also the game was announced as being profitable on day 1 so literally everything since that day have been profit.

But ignoring that nonsense yeah they do need to release a new game.
 
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Almost half a decade between releasing a game and announcing the next one. Unbelievable.

The upcoming big games, if they are ever revealed better be next level.

You just clearly love having a hate boner. Hennig was booted off Uncharted after 3. You are saying the company is doomed because an employee who left well over a decade ago? Uncharted 4 was great under druckman, And TLOU2 also a wonderful game.

Some of you just love being haters lmao, couldn't be me.
Doomed to making great games like Uncharted 4 and TLoU Pt 2.

Hennig is the one that struggled to get something done after leaving ND and now finally it looks like she'll be able to release a proper game as the creative leader.
 
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