Yep that is a massive reason too.
We have seen PlayStation First Party games look amazing on PC.
These PC ports have literally killed the WOW factor in Playstation hardware.
I would have been excited regardless of the price otherwise.
| OT | PlayStation 5 Pro: 45% Faster, Released November 7
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Yep that is a massive reason too.
We have seen PlayStation First Party games look amazing on PC.
These PC ports have literally killed the WOW factor in Playstation hardware.
I would have been excited regardless of the price otherwise.
They missed a wiiiiiiiiiiiide open layup. From a marketing perspective:
1) Bad reveal. I'm 100% convinced that the people running the first-show/announcement-stage of PlayStation products are 100% unqualified for their position(s). I'm not talking about the overused DEI-woke-casually racist nonsense that has infested YouTube and Elon's diary. I genuinely believe that the people who are being paid to plan the reveal and showcase of PlayStation products have resumes that need to be thoroughly investigated by their HR department. Showing PS4 ports and PC-available games for a $700 PS5 is extraordinary levels of dumb. It's like if Apple announced they would show the iPhone 16 and then they started their presentation by showing the iPhone 15 and Galaxy S24 looking perfectly fine. You never want people to think of things that undermine your entire presentation while you're giving your presentation.
2) Bad pricing for Europe. They're already behind in Europe this gen due to the higher cost of the PS5 in virtually all 50+ countries in Europe. The 'money people' at Sony are severely underestimating the value of European market share.
3) Bad uninspired design. It's still a PS5 so expecting a large difference in aesthetics is dumb. However, given that the PS5 is the first and only PlayStation console with user customizability (i.e., removability) of the external shell, they completely missed the opportunity to do something cool with the look of the Pro. Even a rotating PS logo on the front of the machine would be something to talk about rather than the gills/black vents on the console.
4) Bad value proposition. $700 for no disc drive, no stand, no new startup beep, not even a few months of PS+ or a free Concord-inspired joke book etc. It's just a really bad offer. The disc drive decision makes great business sense for new customers but completely devalues the Pro for current PS5 users. I understand that they make virtually no money on used game sales, so selling the disc drive seems like the better option. However, the value of in-the-box backwards compatibility is extremely high for the majority of PS5 users. The Pro is being advertised as a machine that "Makes your older shit look better." How are you supposed to know your older shit looks better if you can't even use your older shit?
5) Bad advertising slogan. "Witness Play Unleashed" tells you nothing about the new console or its features. Even worse, it's unnecessarily wordy, which guarantees a bunch of mistranslations in a bunch of non-English speaking markets.
It's pretty obvious that the majority of their managerial talent is about as skilled as a rapidly expiring loaf of bread. The Pro is (obviously) not intended as a mass market device. However, when the actual audience for the device is left wondering what the point of the device is, you're in for some rough waters. I didn't expect them to repeat the same PSVR 2 mistakes so soon but here we are.
1) Bad reveal. I'm 100% convinced that the people running the first-show/announcement-stage of PlayStation products are 100% unqualified for their position(s). I'm not talking about the overused DEI-woke-casually racist nonsense that has infested YouTube and Elon's diary. I genuinely believe that the people who are being paid to plan the reveal and showcase of PlayStation products have resumes that need to be thoroughly investigated by their HR department. Showing PS4 ports and PC-available games for a $700 PS5 is extraordinary levels of dumb. It's like if Apple announced they would show the iPhone 16 and then they started their presentation by showing the iPhone 15 and Galaxy S24 looking perfectly fine. You never want people to think of things that undermine your entire presentation while you're giving your presentation.
2) Bad pricing for Europe. They're already behind in Europe this gen due to the higher cost of the PS5 in virtually all 50+ countries in Europe. The 'money people' at Sony are severely underestimating the value of European market share.
3) Bad uninspired design. It's still a PS5 so expecting a large difference in aesthetics is dumb. However, given that the PS5 is the first and only PlayStation console with user customizability (i.e., removability) of the external shell, they completely missed the opportunity to do something cool with the look of the Pro. Even a rotating PS logo on the front of the machine would be something to talk about rather than the gills/black vents on the console.
4) Bad value proposition. $700 for no disc drive, no stand, no new startup beep, not even a few months of PS+ or a free Concord-inspired joke book etc. It's just a really bad offer. The disc drive decision makes great business sense for new customers but completely devalues the Pro for current PS5 users. I understand that they make virtually no money on used game sales, so selling the disc drive seems like the better option. However, the value of in-the-box backwards compatibility is extremely high for the majority of PS5 users. The Pro is being advertised as a machine that "Makes your older shit look better." How are you supposed to know your older shit looks better if you can't even use your older shit?
5) Bad advertising slogan. "Witness Play Unleashed" tells you nothing about the new console or its features. Even worse, it's unnecessarily wordy, which guarantees a bunch of mistranslations in a bunch of non-English speaking markets.
It's pretty obvious that the majority of their managerial talent is about as skilled as a rapidly expiring loaf of bread. The Pro is (obviously) not intended as a mass market device. However, when the actual audience for the device is left wondering what the point of the device is, you're in for some rough waters. I didn't expect them to repeat the same PSVR 2 mistakes so soon but here we are.
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A 699 PC won't even match base PS5. Please, show me a cart with complete PC parts total of 699 and is as good as PS5 pro
Sony's marketing this generation is a yotal disaster. They are riding on PS4 success for sure.
Lol more then I thought. 700 bucks for a console? 800 euros for a console? This one is for the pay pigs.
those suckers championing 20% increase in GPU for increased price.
yet, Playstation makes console 100% more powerful, suddenly is not enough.
I paid $756 for my OG PS5 so for me this is an easy purchase, I’m definitely excited to see the other games that did or didn’t get upgrades more than anything
Don't worry, next gen they make PlayStation Series S for you at $300. We Pigs will buy PlayStation 6 series X
Read the thread, we've done this. Graphically, a ps5pro is better price
erformance than a PC. Consoles have always had that advantage. That and exclusives.PC has better versatility and flexibility. It depends what you want to buy and why.
Personally I'm happy upgrading my £500 PC with £700 parts and bumping 1080p ultra at 60 to 1440p ultra at 120. Plus, 12TB of HDD and 2TB NVME means I never have to worry about storage.
It's fascinating to me.... PC dudes run around all over the web talking about their $1000+ PCs to no issues.... Sony puts out $700 console and we're pay pigs
Where the fuck is the PS5 pro 100% more powerful than the PS5? you'd think if it actually were that much stronger the 700 price would be a lot more justified
from Phil's dump?Exactly. lol look at the shitstorm going on on reddit. I am hiczok there. Answered to someone arguing with me. That is later in the discussion
Apparently that guy got 450 euro pc that blows away a ps5 and I am atupid to have paid 700$ for 3080. where are these idiots coming from
and I don't want to sound like a rich fuck (I am not rich, only a fuck) but it's ONLY 700$ !!! in 2024 money!!! that's... nothing for my main gaming hobby. I would spend way more money for passion of my life.
You don't need to be rich. People can stop drinking beer for few weeks and they will save enough money for the pro
