PlayStation 5 New CFI-1200 Series Models Now Have 6nm Chips

[TubzGaming]

In the last month, Sony has begun the rollout of their latest revision of the PlayStation 5, model CFI-1202. There has already been a teardown showing the model’s redesigned board and cooling that is smaller and lighter. Power consumption is also reduced while giving the similar performance. To accomplish this, AMD’s Semi-Custom design teams have ported the PS5 silicon to TSMC N6, codename Oberon Plus. Angstronomics reveals exclusive images of the new, smaller die, and we discuss the how and the why behind this update.

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6nm Oberon Plus vs 7nm Oberon​

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With an exclusive side-by-side comparison showing 6nm Oberon Plus next to 7nm Oberon, we can see what has physically changed in the 2 years between them. Die size has gone from ~300 mm² to below 260 mm², a shrink of close to 15%. What this means in the end is that each wafer processed can produce near 20% more chips for a similar cost.

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[RE4-City]

Great job by Sony at making this happen! More PS5's for everybody

Prize = PS5

 

[ethomaz]

That is really good.

 

[On Demand]

Wow

As the PS5 is the most produced out of the 3 current generation consoles (PS5/XSX/XSS) and thus sees the biggest benefit moving to N6 first. Going forward, only Oberon Plus will be produced, and 7nm Oberon production stopped. And while one can make near 50% more PS5 chips per wafer than Xbox Series X chips, the latter will also get its 6nm update of Arden in the future.

3:1 sales gap incoming.

 

[Darth Vader]

More production is always good in my book. Would love to get another PS5, this time for my office.

 

[Bryank75]

Wow


3:1 sales gap incoming.

I would looooooooove to see that, it would really make this generation just.... the best!

 

[Deleted member 51]

I would looooooooove to see that, it would really make this generation just.... the best!

Wait, why would that be a POSITIVE thing for gamers? Id love to see an equal split, so that everyone stays in business, and keeps things going. I'd hate for any of the big 3 to go away.

 

[LightBolt]

More PS5s are good for gamers/SIE. Sony getting ready for SM2 baby.

 

[peter42O]

I would looooooooove to see that, it would really make this generation just.... the best!

Agreed. The more dominant that Sony becomes, the more publishers Microsoft can acquire!!! Let's go baby!!!

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Wait, why would that be a POSITIVE thing for gamers? Id love to see an equal split, so that everyone stays in business, and keeps things going. I'd hate for any of the big 3 to go away.

Don't fret; if the Wii U couldn't kill Nintendo as a platform holder, nothing will. If the XBO couldn't push MS out of the market as a platform holder, I doubt anything else will and Series will easily outdo the OG Xbox in sales.

However the truth is we don't need an even split in order to have genuine competition, either. You're not guaranteed more fair pricing or more great games if all systems are selling the same amount, versus if one's got a clear sales lead over the other. But it's not even so much about console sales anymore, it's really about platform revenue and in that regard all three have seen record growth the past few years, and are extremely healthy.

The only thing of question really is what Xbox's profits look like and if they're ever going to be enough to meet MS's needs, but they don't necessarily need 1:1 console sales with Sony or Nintendo to get to that point. Meanwhile, Sony's console profits are very good and Nintendo's are even better.

 

[Deleted member 51]

Don't fret; if the Wii U couldn't kill Nintendo as a platform holder, nothing will. If the XBO couldn't push MS out of the market as a platform holder, I doubt anything else will and Series will easily outdo the OG Xbox in sales.

However the truth is we don't need an even split in order to have genuine competition, either. You're not guaranteed more fair pricing or more great games if all systems are selling the same amount, versus if one's got a clear sales lead over the other. But it's not even so much about console sales anymore, it's really about platform revenue and in that regard all three have seen record growth the past few years, and are extremely healthy.

The only thing of question really is what Xbox's profits look like and if they're ever going to be enough to meet MS's needs, but they don't necessarily need 1:1 console sales with Sony or Nintendo to get to that point. Meanwhile, Sony's console profits are very good and Nintendo's are even better.

I simply don't want to have less companies making games, if one were to potentially go under. This would mean less games/IP's. We don't want or need this in the gaming industry. This wouldn't benefit me or you at all.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I simply don't want to have less companies making games, if one were to potentially go under. This would mean less games/IP's. We don't want or need this in the gaming industry. This wouldn't benefit me or you at all.

Completely agreed, and I'm still gutted that Sega is no longer a platform holder. However, I just don't think there's any risk for any of the current Big 3 to fold. And honestly, even supposing one were, there is invariably going to be another company that likely takes their place, statistically speaking.

Ideally though, I'd prefer the Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft dynamic we currently have and, rather than one leaving so another can replace them, we just get a 4th big player. Preferably Apple if I had to choose, unless by some miracle Sega could come back and make a new kickass console .

 

[RE4-City]

I simply don't want to have less companies making games, if one were to potentially go under. This would mean less games/IP's. We don't want or need this in the gaming industry. This wouldn't benefit me or you at all.

let's day Microsoft kills the Xbox Series S and X, there is no way Microsoft is gonna kill the elder scrolls and Fallout IP after spending over 7 billion dollars on purchasing Bethesda. There is no way Microsoft is gonna kill Call of Duty after spending nearly 70 billion on Activision.
Helo might be in trouble in the future but I'm sure stuff like Forza and Ori are safe.

I normally agree with this and it is better to have competition in the hardware space but we are in unprecedented times and chips shortages are hitting everything bad right now. It might be best to have microsoft leave the hardware business since they normally sell the least amount of systems anyway so that opens up more silicon for Sony and Nintendo's Switch 2 and maybe the next switch won't cost too much if that is they case since they don't seem to like to sell systems at a loss. Microsoft being the #1 third party publisher is not a bad idea since they would spend less on R&D on hardware and can focus more on being the netflix of gaming and can dominate PC gaming

 

[Deleted member 51]

Completely agreed, and I'm still gutted that Sega is no longer a platform holder. However, I just don't think there's any risk for any of the current Big 3 to fold. And honestly, even supposing one were, there is invariably going to be another company that likely takes their place, statistically speaking.

Ideally though, I'd prefer the Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft dynamic we currently have and, rather than one leaving so another can replace them, we just get a 4th big player. Preferably Apple if I had to choose, unless by some miracle Sega could come back and make a new kickass console .

Agreed, minus Apple. Fuck that company with a hard dick if they get into gaming. They are way worse than Sony or Nintendo in that aspect.

let's day Microsoft kills the Xbox Series S and X, there is no way Microsoft is gonna kill the elder scrolls and Fallout IP after spending over 7 billion dollars on purchasing Bethesda. There is no way Microsoft is gonna kill Call of Duty after spending nearly 70 billion on Activision.
Helo might be in trouble in the future but I'm sure stuff like Forza and Ori are safe.

I normally agree with this and it is better to have competition in the hardware space but we are in unprecedented times and chips shortages are hitting everything bad right now. It might be best to have microsoft leave the hardware business since they normally sell the least amount of systems anyway so that opens up more silicon for Sony and Nintendo's Switch 2 and maybe the next switch won't cost too much if that is they case since they don't seem to like to sell systems at a loss. Microsoft being the #1 third party publisher is not a bad idea since they would spend less on R&D on hardware and can focus more on being the netflix of gaming and can dominate PC gaming

You don't want multiplayer games to go away though. Sony and Nintendo strive on single player games. Once you beat em, you can put em away, and wait months to get the next game. If you wanted Microsoft to go away, now is the worst time.

 

[On Demand]

All 3 don’t need to be holding hands skipping trough the park with equal sales to have competition. That’s actually not competition.

When a console sells more than another what you are seeing IS competition because consumers chose one over the other and found that console to be better than the rest. All this “all 3 should and need to be selling well” is nonsense perpetuated by mostly Xbox fanboys because they know MS can’t sell as much hardware like they use to and definitely not as much as Sony.

Having Sony, MS, and Nintendo all do well equally could lead to complacency. What’s the point of fighting for consumer dollars when the consumer is rewarding everyone?

There has to be a dominant console. That’s how it works. That’s how it always worked in any business that’s selling a product.

 

[peter42O]

In my opinion, there's a far greater chance of seeing a 4th platform holder enter console gaming before one of the current three drops out.

 

[Deleted member 51]

All 3 don’t need to be holding hands skipping trough the park with equal sales to have competition. That’s actually not competition.

When a console sells more than another what you are seeing IS competition because consumers chose one over the other and found that console to be better than the rest. All this “all 3 should and need to be selling well” is nonsense perpetuated by mostly Xbox fanboys because they know MS can’t sell as much hardware like they use to and definitely not as much as Sony.

Having Sony, MS, and Nintendo all do well equally could lead to complacency. What’s the point of fighting for consumer dollars when the consumer is rewarding everyone?

There has to be a dominant console. That’s how it works. That’s how it always worked in any business that’s selling a product.

I agreed with that, until you went on a toddler rant about Xbox. Do you not want Sony to be better? That won't happen unless there is COMPETITION. Or lemme guess, you loved the increased prices of the console and games? Benefits you, right? Blame that on competition.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

let's day Microsoft kills the Xbox Series S and X, there is no way Microsoft is gonna kill the elder scrolls and Fallout IP after spending over 7 billion dollars on purchasing Bethesda. There is no way Microsoft is gonna kill Call of Duty after spending nearly 70 billion on Activision.
Helo might be in trouble in the future but I'm sure stuff like Forza and Ori are safe.

I normally agree with this and it is better to have competition in the hardware space but we are in unprecedented times and chips shortages are hitting everything bad right now. It might be best to have microsoft leave the hardware business since they normally sell the least amount of systems anyway so that opens up more silicon for Sony and Nintendo's Switch 2 and maybe the next switch won't cost too much if that is they case since they don't seem to like to sell systems at a loss. Microsoft being the #1 third party publisher is not a bad idea since they would spend less on R&D on hardware and can focus more on being the netflix of gaming and can dominate PC gaming

That's an interesting perspective on how one leaving (MS in this case) would greatly alleviate chip availability, tho I think that would benefit Sony a lot more than Nintendo; Nintendo doesn't really need the latest chip fabs since they aren't pushing graphics tech like that.

However I kinda chuckled at the idea this would lead to Nintendo offering a cheaper Switch 2. If anything, they'd go for a higher MSRP. The Switch OLED kind of feels like a test in that regard.

All 3 don’t need to be holding hands skipping trough the park with equal sales to have competition. That’s actually not competition.

When a console sells more than another what you are seeing IS competition because consumers chose one over the other and found that console to be better than the rest. All this “all 3 should and need to be selling well” is nonsense perpetuated by mostly Xbox fanboys because they know MS can’t sell as much hardware like they use to and definitely not as much as Sony.

I agree with the fact that one system usually pulling ahead of the other options is a direct result of competition as that's the market choosing what they deem to be the best value. That much is true, and it's more symbolic of competition than some scenario where all three need to always sell similar numbers.

However, I can def say it's not just Xbox people who have probably had this idea in the past. There were lots of Nintendo people who probably had similar ideas when the Wii U was struggling, or PlayStation fans when PS3 was struggling (particularly in the US & UK). The idea that all systems should sell evenly well is a flawed one, but it's not a sentiment that only Xbox fans have expressed and I don't think everyone who has that sentiment is a fanboy or fangirl.

They may just have the idea that's how it's supposed to be through seeing competition in some other market :/

Having Sony, MS, and Nintendo all do well equally could lead to complacency. What’s the point of fighting for consumer dollars when the consumer is rewarding everyone?

There has to be a dominant console. That’s how it works. That’s how it always worked in any business that’s selling a product.

Yeah, I do worry at times we could get a duopoly with Sony & Microsoft, or a triopoly with them & Nintendo, where you get the feeling they're always holding back against each other in making certain moves but ultimately that could harm customers in any of those brand ecosystems.

Of course some people would call that cooperation these days x3.

 

[On Demand]

I agreed with that, until you went on a toddler rant about Xbox. Do you not want Sony to be better? That won't happen unless there is COMPETITION. Or lemme guess, you loved the increased prices of the console and games? Benefits you, right? Blame that on competition.

Sony is already getting competition; MS buying up publishers, getting exclusive PlayStation Japanese games, Nintendo dominating Japan, what more competition do you want? Competition is already happening.

It’s more the fact the competition can’t stop PlayStation’s success. That’s not Sony’s fault.

 

[On Demand]

I agree with the fact that one system usually pulling ahead of the other options is a direct result of competition as that's the market choosing what they deem to be the best value. That much is true, and it's more symbolic of competition than some scenario where all three need to always sell similar numbers.

However, I can def say it's not just Xbox people who have probably had this idea in the past. There were lots of Nintendo people who probably had similar ideas when the Wii U was struggling, or PlayStation fans when PS3 was struggling (particularly in the US & UK). The idea that all systems should sell evenly well is a flawed one, but it's not a sentiment that only Xbox fans have expressed and I don't think everyone who has that sentiment is a fanboy or fangirl.

They may just have the idea that's how it's supposed to be through seeing competition in some other market :/

Yeah I’ve heard everybody say that at one time, though i never saw this sentiment during the 7th generation of consoles, but I first saw it from Xbox fans a lot. It started last generation when XB1 was starting to sell a little better later in the generation. You had people on neogaf and Twitter saying “it’s great that all 3 are doing well.” It didn’t help that NPD changed its format from individual unit sales to the utterly useless dollar sales and in turn making it seem like everything is anyways selling great no matter what. That’s when that term really took off. In the absence of any real data.

Yeah, I do worry at times we could get a duopoly with Sony & Microsoft, or a triopoly with them & Nintendo, where you get the feeling they're always holding back against each other in making certain moves but ultimately that could harm customers in any of those brand ecosystems.

Of course some people would call that cooperation these days x3.

All 3 selling equally benefits nobody. Sony would not have built it’s first party studios to the caliber they are today if it wasn’t for the fuck up with the PS3 generation. With 360 outselling PS3 and stealing all the 3rd party games, Sony had to focus on their own games towards the end of that generation. It worked wonders.

MS would not be doing the things they are today(gamepass, all games on PC, trying to get Japanese games) if Sony didn’t completely destroy them in sales with the PS4 and Sony getting a lot of 3rd party exclusives. Especially Japanese exclusives.

Likewise with Nintendo. They couldn’t compete with just a normal powerful console. So they finally went the hybrid rout that’s a console and portable and focusing on their first party games.


All 3 outcomes are the result of competition. Which is still functioning today with PS5, Xbox Series, and Nintendo Switch.