Shawn Layden joins Tencent as Strategic Advisor

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OK, Seriously! Different people have been defending Sony out the ass, essentially saying 'but, but, but... current market share/social media engagement'. Seems so short sighted by both the company, and it's defenders. This move by TenCent is just the latest - alongside things like Microsoft's $77B, and Embracer's hydra-like sub-publisher spending sprees. That's without Disney, Amazon, Google, Apple, NetEase, Saudi Royalty, and who knows whom else, deciding to make a more serious, deeper, sharper cut out of the industry with their individual machinations. I think Sony are dead and most don't know it yet. If Sony keep bumble-fucking around there'll be nothing left when they finally decide to get serious.


When devs/pubs are getting bought by others and you lose PS-associated games from it (either 1st paty former exclusive ends-up elsewhere, a 3rd party dev goes multiplatform, or their ability to contribute to Sony's future PS/VR library is taken away like with RAD, and Sony's offerings are poorer for it); and then we look and see things like GPD Win 4 literally looking like an improved Vita. By right, that thing (minus slide screen for windows 11 keyboard), should have been the first PS Vita revision instead of simply nerfing the OLED screen. It should have been a PS4-focused follow-up companion device which evolved the handheld market (double shoulders, clicky sticks etc in about 2014/5, instead of the PS(Vita)TV.

And that's really where I'm at. Haven't seen many games making the PS5 worthy of purchase (taking advantage of the machine itself's advantages). And instead of a PS Vita successor we got a phone-streaming-cooling-fan (WTF!?). My confidence in their decision-making/strategic ability, or indeed want to see this company continue to succeeed, in the face of their continued fuck-ups, is long past the point of turning sour now.

All Sony seem to want to talk about is PC and PS4 - FUCKING STILL!
Ok then. I'll get PS exclusive IPs on PC when you put them there, which you will, and then I don't need a PS5 or PS6. I'm not buying a PSVR2, apparently the games aren't backwards compatable. It'd just be just another in a long line of stillborn hardware/service shat-out and then not supported fully, after such luminaries as Xperia Play, minis, MediaPlayGo, PS Vita, PSVitaTV, PSVUE, PSNow, PS+++ rebrand etc. They fucked-up so many things, and even more not capitalized-on others, or have missed opportunities. You're not offering a PSP4, so I guess I gotta go mod the GPD Win 4 to have the PS games I want it to, made portable.

I'm serious if I get pushed to PC/GPDWin4:
1. I'm not coming back to consoles.
2. For the amount of ballache modding hardware/software involved, I'm paying as little as I can to do so.

Calm down bro xD. I don't see how Shawn Layden going to Tencent as an advisor, has ANY bearing on the things you're bringing up.

Not saying those point's aren't worth discussing: I think a lot of them are. But Shawn Layden going to Tencent has no bearing on any of the things mentioned in your post.

My crystal ball says Tencent exclusive on PlayStation in the coming years….

Nah. Didn't Sony pick up a couple of ex-Capcom people not too long ago? Yet SFVI and RE Remake are both multiplat releases. I don't think there's a direct correlation.

Honestly I think this move from Tencent is to look like the good guy not the villain. Expect relationships between Sony and them to get better not worse. Also this helps their image.

If they are truly trying to get away from the Chinese Republican Party scrutiny this is a step in the right direction. But remember Shawn is being brought in as an advisor not a CEO.

Similar to Reggie and Gamestop. So it could end quickly if Shawn gets wind of some nefarious stuff.

Yeah the CCP has had a few issues with Tencent the past couple of years, I'm interested if there's a growing rift between them behind the scenes. Maybe Tencent wants to become a legitimate conglomerate not bound by the CCP's controlling hand; they have a lot of work to do in order to make that happen.

Of course I'm still weary of strengthening ties between Tencent & Sony for a few reasons, some maybe based on bad information and others just because of what that can entail for further acquisitions, but I understand the logic behind a potential scenario where they enter a strategic partnership or alliance. If it becomes a game of money to compete with entities like Microsoft and...well, honestly Microsoft are the only ones of the massive megacorps who've purchased huge publishers over the past few years and are the only one who've publicly mentioned they are looking to buy even more publishers in the future. It's hard to throw Apple, Google, Amazon etc. into this when they haven't made such purchases and haven't mentioned any plans to do so.

So basically, if this is about Sony having a means of better matching Microsoft WRT potential acquisition targets, or solidifying investments in the Asian game development scene, then a strategic partnership with a company like Tencent probably makes a lot of sense. It might also explain in part why we've seen the two invest shares into several of the same targets (Epic, Kadokawa, From Software etc.).

I can see @David Jaffe rioting later tonight in his next stream :LOL:


Nah, it's smarter for them to continue covering all platforms, specially mobile. But having Shawn will help them have a better relationship with Sony and current or former Sony (and friend studios) executives plus will give them maybe some extra insight from US console market.


Tencent is a private company unrelated to the Chinese government who doesn't censor and in fact doesn't ask to change anything to the foreign studios they acquire or invest on, something that US companies do.

Chinese instead what they do when investing on something foreigner is to invest in something that already works well and knows that market. They support them with money and extra resources they may need to help them work even better, and they collect dividends on a win/win situation. They don't have the mentality of the western countries and particularly USA of conquering and forcing their views and strategy on the conquered ("acquired" in the corporate area) ones.

I have friends in several acquired or invested game studios from Tencent and all of them say that. Some of them even were close friends of the (European) Tencent Europe execs before Tencent invested/bought them, so they for sure know their real plans. Plus there are several known people who also publicly claimed that.

Tencent will bet on multiplatform and won't change their acquired studios to change anything from their games. They will only give them money and help from their other game studios to grow and enter and become stronger in markets like China and mobile if want to do so and if they weren't already there.

I hope this is actually true WRT Tencent because there have been a couple of reports or rumors that paint a different picture of them. Of course, it's basically a game of hearsay so there's not much telling who's being honest and who's lying. I just remember folks like Alanah Pearce seemingly bringing up certain types of censorship with them, but again no telling if that rumor is even true.

If Tencent are fully unrelated to the CCP, then if there's any clarification on things regarding that relationship I've heard of like the Tencent board members with active ties to CCP seats, or some of the social monitoring apps they've either helped develop for or fund for the CCP, then that'd be appreciated. I'm definitely open to the idea that a lot of the messaging around the company from Western info sources has probably had a politically motivated slant to it, but I also can't 100% buy the idea Tencent are just a totally innocuous company, either.

Often, the truth lies somewhere in the middle but if that truth doesn't make them any fundamentally different from a Microsoft, Apple, Google etc. then to a large degree I'd understand the sentiment that special fearmongering towards Tencent is likely undeserved.
 

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Cant see this accomplishing much, to me Shawn is the next Phil Harrison. Not many former PS boss going out and actually doing anything notable for any other company after leaving Sony cant see this being any different.
Poor guy prolly just need a check.
 

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This can't be a real viewpoint. Media, entertainment and video games are First Amendment protected in the United States with no government oversight. Every form of media consumption both developed inside and outside of China that is owned within China is controlled by the CCP and their morality and propaganda administrations. Give me a break dude lol.

To argue bad China good US one must ignore that the US actually bans books and certain types of inocuous content. Music is also still censored.

 

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Stop with the antagonizing --- again!
To argue bad China good US one must ignore that the US actually bans books and certain types of inocuous content. Music is also still censored.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're even looking at. That is government philosophically attacking other government, that is not a private entity being manipulated by a government. You're out of your depths.
 
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're even looking at. That is government philosophically attacking other government, that is not a private entity being manipulated by a government. You're out of your depths.

You're so SmArT
 

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You're so SmArT
Apparently so, because I have to correct you so often while you're attempting to correct me. Before you go on your little corrections sprees with people you need to properly read what you're posting and verify that it actually relates in some meaningful way. You don't do that.

What's worse is you're so prideful and arrogant in your assertion that you actually attempt to poke fun at me when I'm the one who's correct. Grow up.
 
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Apparently so, because I have to correct you so often while you're attempting to correct me. Before you go on your little corrections sprees with people you need to actually read what you're posting and verify that it actually relates in some meaningful way. You don't do that.

What's worse is your so prideful and arrogant in your assertion that you actually attempt to poke fun at me when I'm the one who's correct. Grow up.

So much projection, son. Stop embarassing yourself, nobody here buys your bullshit.
 
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So much projection, son. Stop embarassing yourself, nobody here buys your bullshit.
And now you're completely deflecting because you don't understand the difference between government philosophically attacking other government and the delineation between that and government philosophically attacking private entities.

You're not up to this conversation. Take a walk.
 
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I hope this is actually true WRT Tencent because there have been a couple of reports or rumors that paint a different picture of them. Of course, it's basically a game of hearsay so there's not much telling who's being honest and who's lying. I just remember folks like Alanah Pearce seemingly bringing up certain types of censorship with them, but again no telling if that rumor is even true.

If Tencent are fully unrelated to the CCP, then if there's any clarification on things regarding that relationship I've heard of like the Tencent board members with active ties to CCP seats, or some of the social monitoring apps they've either helped develop for or fund for the CCP, then that'd be appreciated. I'm definitely open to the idea that a lot of the messaging around the company from Western info sources has probably had a politically motivated slant to it, but I also can't 100% buy the idea Tencent are just a totally innocuous company, either.

Often, the truth lies somewhere in the middle but if that truth doesn't make them any fundamentally different from a Microsoft, Apple, Google etc. then to a large degree I'd understand the sentiment that special fearmongering towards Tencent is likely undeserved.
I think that due to the propaganda there is a misunderstanding regarding about Chinese people being member of the CCP. Being a member of CCP doesn't mean they receive orders from them, that this person is interested in politics or that agree them in everything etc. Many people don't care about the government or politics but are member of the CCP because for them it's something cultural that most of their family and friends always did.

It's a bit like being a Christian in the west. Most people who are Christian don't go to church, doesn't follow everything said by them, and doesn't care or agree on most of what the church says, but got married by the church or at least got baptism because it's something cultural that most of their family and friends always did.

And there's also the concept of the CCP that we in the west have vs the one that the Chinese have. They see there that there are many factions and different views inside it, more or less what here in the west are the different political parties (where doesn't matter what faction wins, they keep supporting the elite of the country in the main stuff).

They also see -due to also propaganda- that the CCP does a lot of community stuff and handles many local and regional specific things to help people, not only country wide. Which mixes with their culture of prioritizing community vs individuality, unlike us. And that CCP is let's say the 'tool' to support their community (country).

They also see strict rules and monitoring as a tool to keep peace, order and security on their community. Again, they culturally favor the well being of the community over the individual.

So yes, it's true that there are ties between CCP and Tencent but not in the way we understand it, and at the same time they are different and unrelated but not in the way we understand it because private companies in China aren't as 'free' as ours. And like in our countries -like in the case of Microsoft, Apple, Facebook you mentioned- I assume they may provide info to their secret service agencies.

Many times there have been clashes/frictions between Tencent and the CCP, but also let's say collaborations or donations: sometimes big companies like Tencent do stuff like to donate money or build themselves stuff like X number of high tech related universities or something like that in exchange for not being fucked with something else, like a new law that rises them some taxes, the electricity bill or something like that. Depending who do you ask they do it "for the community" or "to bribe the CCP" or "something that in reality benefits themselves because the best talent from there will end in their own company".

It's very complex and difficult to understand for us. But inside China there are private and public (owned by the government/the CCP/"the community"/"the people"/"the country") companies, and Tencent is a private one.
 

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This can't be a real viewpoint. Media, entertainment and video games are First Amendment protected in the United States with no government oversight. Every form of media consumption both developed inside and outside of China that is owned within China is controlled by the CCP and their morality and propaganda administrations. Give me a break dude lol.
First amendment? What a joke, go and tell that to Julian Assange, RT or the people in the Guantanamo jail to name a few.

And go and tell Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Apple and so on that they can stop allowing the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and a ton of agencies from USA and other allied countries more to spy their customers.
 
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First amendment? What a joke, go and tell that to Julian Assange, RT or the people in the Guantanamo jail to name a few.

And go and tell Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Apple and so on that they can stop allowing the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and a ton of agencies from USA and other allied countries more to spy their customers.

Shhh, he knows best, stop embarassing yourself.
 
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Shhh, he knows best, stop embarassing yourself.
People who attack others because can't properly debate by backing his claims with facts or solid stuff are the ones who embarass themselves. And well, I'm not the one doing that. You should look at a mirror.
 
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