Sony Downplays the Risk of PlayStation Users Switching to PCs in a Recent Q&A.

[TubzGaming]

I expected a more balanced approach from you, as you're usually a fair mod. Unless your message has been lost in translation. I can see what you want to achieve in that people shouldn't argue over that which cannot be proven, but the same posters who move goalposts or call others liars can be proven wrong from past arguments with posts and threads on this forum.

"Unless your message has been lost in translation. I can see what you want to achieve in that people shouldn't argue over that which cannot be proven, but the same posters who move goalposts or call others liars can be proven wrong from past arguments with posts and threads on this forum."

Correct you misunderstood the point of those comments i made but at the same time explained why i made the comments.
"People will move goalposts or call each other liars"

True and that's when, what i also said comes into effect:
"Also unless you can prove something one way or another don't try to come at someone else if you can not back up the claims"

So link any information you know of to prove the facts of the argument or disagreement.

- Opinion
- Facts
- Proof

If you read my comments and took it personally that's down to you as they were not directed at anyone in particular.

 

[arvfab]

There is this foggy memory notion, mostly from younger people, that SONY had this big exclusive strength in their PS1 and PS2 generations like they had very active first party, part of the problem is they're counting all sorts of things like GTA III as "first party" in their foggy memories, yes, Grand Theft Auto had an association with PS back then for people. The erosion of the brand happened prior to the PS3 even launching, tbh, when you couldn't name many franchises associated with SONY that were still exclusive to them. The good news was PS3 introduced actual first party franchises in the second half of its life to eventually overcome the XBOX 360.

I do think people are secretly acknowledging the importance of timed and third party exclusives, though, via this thread, like how 2024 was special for PS5 via games like Stellar Blade, FF7R and Wukong among others, for some reason this is DIFFERENT to some very dishonest people from the success of the SONY of old.

Another one with no clue about the first-party output of PlayStation since the beginning:

[Hiroki Totoki] PS5 Pro's pre-orders are "slightly stronger" than PS4 Pro during the same period

Considering Xbox is all but out of the picture you’d hope more PlayStation are being sold as the only serious console option Do you really believe with Xbox in or out it should do any difference? When I said few years ago in this forum that console wars only existed in Xbox fans heads I was...

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[Explosive Zombie]

Another one with no clue about the first-party output of PlayStation since the beginning:

[Hiroki Totoki] PS5 Pro's pre-orders are "slightly stronger" than PS4 Pro during the same period

Considering Xbox is all but out of the picture you’d hope more PlayStation are being sold as the only serious console option Do you really believe with Xbox in or out it should do any difference? When I said few years ago in this forum that console wars only existed in Xbox fans heads I was...

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This is like if someone 20 years from now was padding their numbers with shit like destruction All Stars and sackboy to show off the first party strength of PS5. I see someone else already made fun of it, lol. Also pointing out you might not know what first party is???

 

[Airbus]

Even the world record trophy hunter are moving to pc now?

This guy have 2500 platinum trophy ? Gyaat dammnn...

 

[Evilms]

Good luck getting 100 million PlayStation players to switch to PCs costing at least $800-1000.

 

[FatKaz]

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Even the world record trophy hunter are moving to pc now?

This guy have 2500 platinum trophy ? Gyaat dammnn...

Oh no anyways....

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Even the world record trophy hunter are moving to pc now?

This guy have 2500 platinum trophy ? Gyaat dammnn...

He hit that record by going offline, having multiple people play games and then when you go online you sync all of it, he didn't do it by himself, he's a cheat.

 

[Neversummer]

Microsoft held them hostage with the Minecraft update and then Nintendo agreed to do that cross-play trailer for Minecraft which was basically twisting the knife and PlayStation had pretty much lost that public fight..

And somehow PS thinks it’s a smart idea to publish games to Nintendo. Herman/Totoki short sighted & retarded it’s hilarious.

Just like Sony has diminished there marvel Sony universe & lost both of there tv & smartphones by releasing overpriced & niche products, not consolidating & gaming ip (Sony pictures struggling) & just overall poor leadership/vision there has been times where PS fuck up there own market share/position & or didn’t secure it.

Btw Valve/Steam would’ve pull the same thing as shown w the Helldivers 2 fiasco. Not sure why PS doesn’t build a PS PC launcher where there multilayer exclusively release there it’s counter intuitive to how they have handled there software & storefront.

 

[arvfab]

This is like if someone 20 years from now was padding their numbers with shit like destruction All Stars and sackboy to show off the first party strength of PS5.

Because Sackboy/LBP is shit now? Classics like Sly, Ratchet, Jak, Ape Escape, Syphon Filter (which I forgot to list), ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. are shit now?

Pretty telling of your gaming tastes if you find the majority of the games I listed as shit.

I see someone else already made fun of it, lol.

Yep, someone with even less of a clue as you.

Also pointing out you might not know what first party is???

Well if you don't know what first party is, it is obvious where your cluelessness comes from.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Because Sackboy/LBP is shit now? Classics like Sly, Ratchet, Jak, Ape Escape, Syphon Filter (which I forgot to list), ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, etc. are shit now?

Pretty telling of your gaming tastes if you find the majority of the games I listed as shit.



Yep, someone with even less of a clue as you.



Well if you don't know what first party is, it is obvious where your cluelessness comes from.

I wasn't talking my personal taste, I'm talking this idea of the power of the PS brand when you're listing stuff that barely sold or wasn't even first party. You're very clearly stretching the definition of first party, I'm guessing by this definition games like Stellar Blade are also first party, right?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Good luck getting 100 million PlayStation players to switch to PCs costing at least $800-1000.

Of course it's not 100 million.


At least half of those are sticking with the PS4.

 

[arvfab]

I'm talking this idea of the power of the PS brand

Which has ALWAYS been variety in its portfolio.

when you're listing stuff that barely sold

It was never the point. Clueless user A was saying PlayStation barely had first-party titles pre-PS3, which is wrong. I've also failed to see supporting data that those games failed to sell/failed to meet ROI at that time, especially how many IPs born at that time still exist to this day.

or wasn't even first party.

Please tell me which of the games I listed wasn't first-party. I want to correct possible errors I made.

You're very clearly stretching the definition of first party,

How?

I'm guessing by this definition games like Stellar Blade are also first party, right?

Nope, Stellar Blade is not first-party, as PlayStation doesn't own the IP.

If I used the wrong definition some clueless people use to include Stellar Blade as a first-party title, my list would be even longer.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Which has ALWAYS been variety in its portfolio.



It was never the point. Clueless user A was saying PlayStation barely had first-party titles pre-PS3, which is wrong. I've also failed to see supporting data that those games failed to sell/failed to meet ROI at that time, especially how many IPs born at that time still exist to this day.



Please tell me which of the games I listed wasn't first-party. I want to correct possible errors I made.



How?



Nope, Stellar Blade is not first-party, as PlayStation doesn't own the IP.

If I used the wrong definition some clueless people use to include Stellar Blade as a first-party title, my list would be even longer.

It's always been games people liked, everyone just talks up the games they enjoyed.

Most the games you listed are not IPs that still exist to this day, tho. Also is it actually MORE first party games than we get now?

Wild Arms would be an example where you are stretching what first party is, most people say first party when it's a developer actually owned by SONY that made the game. The company behind Wild Arms had a close relationship with them but were not actually owned by them.

Owning the IP is first party? This would be totally contradictory to the idea that Bloodborne is a THIRD PARTY EXCLUSIVE even though SONY owns the Bloodborne IP. You are clearly confused.

 

[Monkeyclaw]

They are right.

The number of people migrating to PC if exists at all is very small.
Sales on PlayStation shows that.
In fact this gen the sales of multi platform games on PS5 increased like the recent example: CoD.

Think a bit about… how you have increase in multiplataform sales and people moving to PC at the same time? One of them is not happening.

If gamers where moving to PC the PS5’s game sales should decrease… not increase.

Yeah that Pro is selling like hotcakes rn.........

 

[arvfab]

It's always been games people liked, everyone just talks up the games they enjoyed.

The number of first-titles is an objective number, no way to spin it.

Most the games you listed are not IPs that still exist to this day, tho.

Some of them do. Clueless user A, during his failed tentative to move the goalpost, obviously wanted to exclude the most successful ones, GT and GoW, but he himself counted additional ones like R&C and MLB.

And again, this was never the point. Which was:

Amount of first-party titles pre-PS3.

If you'd like to argue about their success, provide evidence that they were insignificant.

Wild Arms would be an example where you are stretching what first party is, most people say first party when it's a developer actually owned by SONY that made the game.

Nope, a title being 1st party has nothing to do with developer ownership. You are mixing up the subject of the matter. One are the games, the other one the devs.

Would you argue that Kirby is not a first party Nintendo title?

The company behind Wild Arms had a close relationship with them but were not actually owned by them.

Doesn't matter. The Wild Arms IP is Sony's, thus the game is a first party title:

WILD ARMS Trademark of SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT INC. - Registration Number 2220946 - Serial Number 75293505 :: Justia Trademarks

computer and video game software

trademarks.justia.com

Owning the IP is first party?

Correct.

This would be totally contradictory to the idea that Bloodborne is a THIRD PARTY EXCLUSIVE even though SONY owns the Bloodborne IP.

Bloodborne is a first party PlayStation title, developed by From Software.

The same is true for Demon's Souls, therefore Sony could simply give the remake task to BluePoint.

You are clearly confused

How could I not, surrounded by clueless people like yourself and the other Clueless user A, aka ChatGPT beta, spinning and flip-flopping?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The number of first-titles is an objective number, no way to spin it.



Some of them do. Clueless user A, during his failed tentative to move the goalpost, obviously wanted to exclude the most successful ones, GT and GoW, but he himself counted additional ones like R&C and MLB.

And again, this was never the point. Which was:

Amount of first-party titles pre-PS3.

If you'd like to argue about their success, provide evidence that they were insignificant.





Nope, a title being 1st party has nothing to do with developer ownership. You are mixing up the subject of the matter. One are the games, the other one the devs.

Would you argue that Kirby is not a first party Nintendo title?



Doesn't matter. The Wild Arms IP is Sony's, thus the game is a first party title:

WILD ARMS Trademark of SONY INTERACTIVE ENTERTAINMENT INC. - Registration Number 2220946 - Serial Number 75293505 :: Justia Trademarks

computer and video game software

trademarks.justia.com

Correct.


Bloodborne is a first party PlayStation title, developed by From Software.

The same is true for Demon's Souls, therefore Sony could simply give the remake task to BluePoint.




How could I not, surrounded by clueless people like yourself and the other Clueless user A, aka ChatGPT beta, spinning and flip-flopping?

 

[arvfab]

Thank you for confirming the fact that you are mixing up games and studios.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Thank you for confirming the fact that you are mixing up games and studios.

1st party studios make 1st party games... kinda simple shit... here, tho...

 

[arvfab]

1st party studios make 1st party games... kinda simple shit... here, tho...

AI? Really? Let's see a different one:

Oh look at that! Magic!

Now let's see some more real evidence for your cluelessness:

Evidence #1:

The Insomniac leak, including sales of first-party titles. Strange they would list Bloodborne.

Evidence #2:

The IP owner being PlayStation.

Evidence #3:

The very first entry on page 11 of a Sony official financial report under the label "Cumulative sell-through units of selected first party software titles".

Seems PlayStation is confused. Please provide them your AI generated answer.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

AI? Really? Let's see a different one:

Oh look at that! Magic!

Now let's see some more real evidence for your cluelessness:

Evidence #1:

The Insomniac leak, including sales of first-party titles. Strange they would list Bloodborne.

Evidence #2:

The IP owner being PlayStation.

Evidence #3:

The very first entry on page 11 of a Sony official financial report under the label "Cumulative sell-through units of selected first party software titles".

Seems PlayStation is confused. Please provide them your AI generated answer.

Do you not consider second party to exist?