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Come on man.. we all agreed this wasn't going to be a word for conversation in the forums anymore. Please remove.
Sony Q2 FY2022 consolidated results (25M PS5 sold, 102 PSN MAU, PS Plus 45.4M)
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As a single player console only gamer, I disagree with this. Single player games are great and while I do replay games, it's rare because once you play through a game, you know everything so there's no surprises or anything so why replay it? But to each their own.
Well i dont think its anything to worry about. PS+ peaked 2 years ago, it was never going to go past 50 million. Operating income is down due to them buying up devs(unannounced) and making and shipping more ps5, so it sounds like they are very healthy, otherwise they would have been more conservative with their operating income.
Nothing like good Sony results to make the heart excited and move the forum activity 
You need to be called out for what you're doing, I don't care about the moderation background of what takes place after the fact.
All the crap you pull around here is basically the equivalent of me constantly calling you a beta tester or a peasant which nobody here does. You need to get back in line.
You instigate, you platform war, you actively cause problems with PC users left and right and then you back away as if you're the victim. Stop.
We're getting tired of this one way street. The fact that you're trying to goad people into being banned, and then relish in that speaks volumes of your intentions.
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Yeah, I saw that expenses were up and the Bungie fees were unavoidable and came from payroll.... so that's a lot of moolah!
I'm just not sure about their development strategy..... cost of development is high and their strategy seems to be to buy lots of cheap teams instead of a few very accomplished teams with strong IP.
Under the high expenses conditions I think fewer teams focusing on higher quality and bigger IP's is smarter.
I have over 200 free games on Epic!Almost like giving away games for pennies on the dollar trains people to not want to buy games when they come out ...
This is why for me the flexible solution is to have a PS5 and a PC.
Me waiting for funky car analogies.
I don't need to wait for Sony games to be announced for PC release. I don't have to beg for any particular game.
HOWEVER most console gamers don't want to deal with gaming on a PC, let alone wait two years for a game that might not even come, so I think Sony will be fine. The reduced price of ports will piss some people off, however they are older games.
I feel like PS have always been able to accomplish a lot with small teams/studios.
My opinion is that turning to PC is just a temporary solution, or would have been if better measures were in place. Cost of development, time & labor requirements for development etc. are definitely factors, but I personally don't see migrating everything to PC as being a sound strategy without taking measures to ensure vertical integration is maintained as much as possible, in order to ensure profit margins stay as high as possible among the different devices in the ecosystem.
The ironic thing with the PC strategy in a way is, it's the mobile market that has the biggest growth potential for platform holders, not PC. Just being honest here. If you add in Steam's total user install base to the consoles you don't get anything more than what the install base size was between 360, PS3, Wii, and NDS during the 7th gen for example. Maybe you're getting more revenue for the platform itself (Steam), but that's coming from many, MANY games being sold doing so at steep discounts so it's questionable how viable a PC-only strategy is for most publishers and probably suggests why many of them in fact are not PC-only and also support the consoles.
The mobile market is where it's always seemed the real growth for Sony would be in terms of revenue and profits, and also bring less risk of eating into their console model, providing a stronger mobile & portable presence (would be helpful in places like Japan), and enable easy turnaround of new games with smaller legacy IP fitted for mobile & mobile business models that could generate a ton of revenue on its own. Not to mention, still providing actual PlayStation 1P and 3P content playable through mobile devices via cloud (though they would need to bring PS+ to mobile devices and have a tier priced for just cloud game streaming of content).
Here's what my preferable business strategy would have been for PlayStation to grow revenue & profit, if I were in someone like Jim Ryan's shoes. It's a hypothetical, but bear with me:
[HARDWARE]
-Focus on increasing PS5 supply in all markets
-Enable a way to establish cloud streaming of PS5 titles to PS4 devices for those unwilling/able to upgrade
-Develop a fit-to-form mobile series controls dock with PS DualSense-style buttons, analog sticks, haptic triggers for Xperia-line mobile devices
-Develop an Xperia smartphone model with baseline specs roughly on par with PS4 and at large enough volume scale to saturate a potential portable customer base. This device should be provided to potential customers both as part of a targeted mobile data contract plan with various global carrier partners, and a device users can purchase outright at mobile shops and retailer stores if they prefer that option (though obviously, it will cost them quite a bit to do this)
Could be two versions: one with all the features needed for a high-end smartphone device (high-quality MP camera, SIM card slots, mobile OS, dual-boot OS support for mobile-friendly PS4 OS (for playing PS4 games natively), all the expected mobile apps etc.), and another that strips things down to just the required processing hardware, physical input hardware (fit-to-form controls dock), mobile-friendly PS4 OS and necessary storage, dropping the high-quality camera, SIM card slots, mobile OS and apps etc. and maybe a lower-resolution screen priced at $399 - $499 that can sell at the more traditional model with a decent profit margin on the hardware.
-Expand into PC with monitors, keyboards, mouses, headsets etc. targeting various PC gamers but also being compatible with PS consoles, and enable DualSense & PSVR2 hardware compatibility on PC platforms
[SERVICES]
[CONSOLE]
-Revamp PS+ by integrating PS Now into it
-Keep PS Now around and integrate some PS+ features into it, but raise the price (this would be for mobile side primarily)
-Bring better value to some of the tiers (PS+ Premium in particular; real emphases on Trails for new AAA releases at time of release or even 2 weeks - 1 month ahead of release for example)
[MOBILE]
-Bring PS+ to mobile devices via cloud streaming option (basically revamped PS Now with PS+ features and compatibility across mobile & PS consoles)
-Port PS4 OS to mobile devices (even if just Sony's own mobile devices) with QoL and UI tweaks for mobile users. This would be for enabling native play of PS4 games at PS4 specifications on qualifying mobile devices
-Establish a gaming-centric mobile plan with a network of carriers globally to tie a plan with an Xperia phone (at PS4-level of performance) & fit-to-form controller dock made available to users at a monthly rate. Throw in tiers for this plan: base tier just provides the carrier service & hardware for one rate, another tier throws in PS+ (cloud streaming option) at an additional cost, the third tier throws in PS+ Extra or Premium for both console & mobile.
Work out a good plan rate (i.e Tier 1 = $59.99/month or something like that), market it as a serious mobile/portable option for gamers also providing native play of PS4 games at base PS4 spec, Remote Play streaming for PS5 games, etc.
[PC]
-Keep a PS+ tier option on PC focused on cloud streaming access to that platform (similar to on mobile devices)
[SOFTWARE]
[CONSOLE]
-Keep non live-service marquee 1P games on the console exclusively up until time for a sequel release, in which case consider having a PC version of the previous version release within a year of the new installment on console
-Non marquee 1P games (remakes or small-ish scale new installments utilizing legacy IP i.e Mark of Kri, Mr. Mosquito, Tomba! etc.) can be developed with mobile in mind WRT specifications, cross-gen, PC & mobile native releases with more liberal stagger timings compared to the marquee 1P (i.e GoW, GoT, Spiderman etc.) type of games
[MOBILE]
-Bedrock for cost-effective AA-style ($5 - $10 million average budget, some maybe slightly more a few potentially less) games with mobile-friendly business models also adaptable (& adjustable) to console business models, leveraging legacy IP smaller-scale IP (i.e Tomba, Mr. Mosquito, Patapon, Tearaway, Puppeteer, Echochrome etc).
-On the console side, some of these games could be used to push PS+ adoption by releasing them into the service.
-Pricing for non-F2P games of this type on console & PC should be fair and stay within $30 - $40 MSRP range; most won't need physical retail copies anyway.
-Shared ecosystem between mobile, console, & PC players (i.e DLC & MTX not platform-specific purchased on one platform should be usable on all platforms that have the game, MP should be shared between platform (with option to opt-out by the user but provide ecosystem rewards/incentives for those who enable cross-platform MP anyway)
[PC]
-Establish a clear cadence for non live-service software ports to PC: ports will arrive within a year of new installments of that IP on the console
-Ensure that console versions of games getting PC ports with large QoL and visual/framerate benefits over the console releases, are able to get those upgrades for their copy of the game at a nominal to free charge as long as there is record of them having purchased the console version by a certain date (which would ensure they have already paid at least a specific price for that console version anyway)
-Establish Day 1 PC versions of various live-service games
-Tie in bonus in-game content incentives for users buying the PC ports of non live-service games that can apply to new installments of those games in IP coming to console. This can incentivize PC users to pick the game on that platform, jump in sooner on the sequel on the console, console users to pick up the PC version (double-dip) and feel comfortable knowing the game will be only on the console for a few years therefore driving vast majority of purchases to that platform (where Sony gets the most revenue and biggest profit margins)
-PC ports of non live-service 1P marquee titles coming years later should be fairly priced: $30 to $40 depending on the title, with a potential discount for PS+ subscribers with registered copies of the PS version who double-dip on the PC release
Now, that's roughly MY ideal strategy for the division if I were running it. It's a general outline so to speak, and yes Sony have actually done some of these things but definitely not others and some in particular seem there are no plans for them to do. If it were up to me, expansion of revenue & profit margins would come mainly from focusing on ensuring primary catering to the console audience, and pushing mobile growth over PC growth but utilizing live-service games (both F2P and non-F2P) as a means of providing Day 1 gaming content across all three platforms.You still get the big growth you're looking for, but each category segment is more neatly in its own lane, meaning management of them (from hardware and software production, to marketing to PR communication, to the optics, to stabilizing the revenue streams etc.) is more robust and easier to keep track of. We also have a generally good idea of what types of software people on these device types like, so organizing the content flow around that (I don't think Sony need to "test" a lot of this with the way they're currently doing PC ports; data on how something like Sackboy would've performed for example has already been plenty available on Steam through other releases going back years) can be done relatively easily.
Like I said though, Sony have already chosen a somewhat different approach that is putting a lot of emphasis on PC in particular; if that eventually gets realized further through something like their own launcher & storefront on PC, that's something which can help maintain vertical integration stability on their end and still satisfy all sides more or less. If that's not a part of the plans, then I do seriously start to wonder what some of the longer-term impacts could be. I know people like to say that the strategy to effectively blur console & PC to be nearly indistinguishable has worked for MS, but how much of that revenue growth has come from 1P sales that weren't the result of buying out 3P publishers like Zenimax (and adding their revenue to Xbox's)? How much of that revenue growth has come from 3P sales on the platform (software, MTX, DLC) and how does that compare to 3P sales on the platform prior to the big PC push/Day 1 on PC? How of that 3P sales revenue growth is from selling to more people vs. increasing the prices for higher ARPU (yes I know this is what Sony are doing with PS+ but that's just a subscription service to host gaming content, not the actual gaming content itself)?
We never got those numbers or breakdowns because Microsoft constant obfuscate them, and I doubt Sony got those either so there isn't a lot of prior data they could have leveraged to go for this strategy of aggressive expansion into the PC market the particular way they seem to be going about it without making some educated guesses or just turning to 3P sub services and going from there (but they aren't platform holders so the worth of the data isn't 1:1 the same). Those are ultimately the reason why I personally would've taking the expansion into that market with a different approach, but hey, I'm not Jim Ryan and he's got Sony/PS data and connections I obviously don't, so there's always that in this as well.
The PC port begging is real bruh, even tho some posts earlier it was denial city.
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Can you show me where a person has begged for a port? I've bought almost all of them. Games aren't that great to be bragging like you are. I have over 800 games in my library. Please show me who begs for games. Call them out, let it be known. I'd love to see who these port beggers are. @SSfox
It's fair that you have your own tastes and I guess a lot of Sony's games aren't to your taste, but for a LOT of others, they're among the most anticipated games coming out from any company. I'm hyped for GOW Ragnarok myself.
Yeah most SP games these days are meant for single playthroughs, but balance that out by having a ton of content to do. Games with exceptional stories that have multiple paths, get their replay through that for lots of folks.
OTOH I don't think MP games inherently have more dedicated players; it's just a small slice of the fanbase for MP games that actually dedicate themselves to those games.
Nothing like good Sony results to make the heart excited and move the forum activity
If it's not yet more ABK acquisition talk, I already start grinning.
No it isn't and don't chime in if you don't know what you are talking about.
Who cares what your google brain finds or thinks.
Bloodborne like Demon's Souls are both SONY IP's that From Software was brought in to help Sony develop. This is why Dark Souls was made as From doesn't own the rights to Demon's Souls.
Who gives a fuck if you eventually play a better performing version?
Are you stupid enough to think the bigger money making/more popular PlayStation platform aint getting a improved version?
Dood what are you doing?
Get educated before typing anymore thx.
Unfortunately he is doing what he did at other places and he DM threatened me which is a big mistake.
Who cares? Who said anything about this in this discussion?
Quit being a hater of the industry leader.
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This is what being mad looks like, without a single millimeter of content, dude, we get it, you love Sony games. It's all cool, not everyone shares the same sentiment. Now please tell us why you get emotional while telling us what you like. I'll get my notepad out, and I'll take notes.
It's just video games people, no need to get heated for these subjects. PS5 is getting great games and PC is getting ports later on and that will keep being the direction going forward.
GaaS will be day and date and single player will be at least 12months+
GaaS will be day and date and single player will be at least 12months+